Time to Hire ...

[1and1sju]

Lavin will be here for a while ! Give him a couple of years more.
All about recruiting. Was put in a bad situation to field a whole team.
Don't insult him by even starting a thread like this.

By the way, no way Massiello or Hurley would ever be here at STJ.

I think it's quite obvious that it isn't all about recruiting, because Lavin has gotten the recruits he wanted and yet we still find ourselves in last place in the conference.
He didn't get held back by "dead weight", he got to pick all of his own players - and they were very touted recruits.

And arguably, the longer he's been here the worse his recruiting has become. The present year is starting to speak for itself.
All the defenders like to say it's early and Lavin landed big talent the past two springs, the problem with that is 1) It's not that early anymore. It's damn near February and 98% of the top 100 players have committed. 2) We were deeply involved with Sampson, Obekpa, Jordan and Jermaine Lawrence the past two springs. There is no one remotely that talented who we're either regularly going to watch or who has mentioned us as being on his list.

And I fail to see how it's insulting to start a conversation about who should fill the job of someone who isn't doing what they were hired to do.

 

[L J S A]

Is it asking too much to get someone of Jay Wright's caliber?

You do realize that Wright is one of the best coaches in college basketball.

Let's hear from Gonzalo on this one. :cheer:

It is evident that Villanova is playing very well this season.
And I have always said that Wright was an overrated coach. But I am not the only one:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...verrated-coaches-in-college-basketball/page/2

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ho-is-the-most-overrated-coach-in-the-country

I have looked the preseason and postseason rankings since 2002-03 season. (Espn page). 11 seasons. Only in 2004-05 and 2008-09 seasons Villanova finished better than the preseason rankings. You can add this season.

I was with you on the overrated part. But I think he's improved more in the past several seasons than he did in the first 90 percent of his career. I'd take him in a second.

 

[dee]

Is it asking too much to get someone of Jay Wright's caliber?

You do realize that Wright is one of the best coaches in college basketball.

Let's hear from Gonzalo on this one. :cheer:

It is evident that Villanova is playing very well this season.
And I have always said that Wright was an overrated coach. But I am not the only one:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...verrated-coaches-in-college-basketball/page/2

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ho-is-the-most-overrated-coach-in-the-country

I have looked the preseason and postseason rankings since 2002-03 season. (Espn page). 11 seasons. Only in 2004-05 and 2008-09 seasons Villanova finished better than the preseason rankings. You can add this season.

I was with you on the overrated part. But I think he's improved more in the past several seasons than he did in the first 90 percent of his career. I'd take him in a second.

Guys forget it, Lavin isnt going anywhere

 

[Class of 72]

Is it asking too much to get someone of Jay Wright's caliber?

You do realize that Wright is one of the best coaches in college basketball.

Let's hear from Gonzalo on this one. :cheer:

It is evident that Villanova is playing very well this season.
And I have always said that Wright was an overrated coach. But I am not the only one:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...verrated-coaches-in-college-basketball/page/2

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ho-is-the-most-overrated-coach-in-the-country

I have looked the preseason and postseason rankings since 2002-03 season. (Espn page). 11 seasons. Only in 2004-05 and 2008-09 seasons Villanova finished better than the preseason rankings. You can add this season.

I was with you on the overrated part. But I think he's improved more in the past several seasons than he did in the first 90 percent of his career. I'd take him in a second.

The Sixers almost did. Jay excels at targeted recruiting. He knows the pieces he needs and goes out and signs them and they are mostly from the Philly Tri-state region and NY. There is little wasted time and energy in their recruiting unlike ours where we have to wait every April for a last minute commit.

 

[L J S A]

Is it asking too much to get someone of Jay Wright's caliber?

You do realize that Wright is one of the best coaches in college basketball.

Let's hear from Gonzalo on this one. :cheer:

It is evident that Villanova is playing very well this season.
And I have always said that Wright was an overrated coach. But I am not the only one:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...verrated-coaches-in-college-basketball/page/2

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebas...ho-is-the-most-overrated-coach-in-the-country

I have looked the preseason and postseason rankings since 2002-03 season. (Espn page). 11 seasons. Only in 2004-05 and 2008-09 seasons Villanova finished better than the preseason rankings. You can add this season.

I was with you on the overrated part. But I think he's improved more in the past several seasons than he did in the first 90 percent of his career. I'd take him in a second.

Guys forget it, Lavin isnt going anywhere

This side conversation had nothing to do with Lavin leaving. . .

 

[L J S A]

The Sixers almost did. Jay excels at targeted recruiting. He knows the pieces he needs and goes out and signs them and they are mostly from the Philly Tri-state region and NY. There is little wasted time and energy in their recruiting unlike ours where we have to wait every April for a last minute commit.

I can definitely see why posters would be bitter looking at him specifically -- he's got the slick Hollywood appearance . . . but also is everything that you say on top of that.

 

[lawmanfan]

Some thoughts on some of the names that have been thrown out:

Larry Brown? Not coming, not what we need, and not someone the school would hire. However if you are enthralled with the idea of hiring a septugenarian, then I would go for Bobby Knight. Or perhaps you would prefer to exhume Joe Lapchick?

Bruce Pearl? You think a program that was appalled by Jarvis misdemeanors and petty offenses and then spent years self-flagellating itself with Norm Roberts is going to hire a full-fledged NCAA felon (note, this is just by way of comparison, I'm not saying Pearl is actually guilty of any actual crimes).

PJ Carlessimo? He won't be coming back to college. Ditto for Lawrence Frank, Mike Dunlap, and Jeff Van Gundy. Also Pat Riley and Phil Jackson if you had them on your list.

Tommy Amaker? He's done well at Harvard, but he's also proved to be the very definition of mediocre at his jobs in upper-level leagues.

Steve Masiello? Let's go down the list of Manhattan coaches: Fran Fraschilla, check. Bobby Gonzalez, check. Yeah, I don't think St John's will be hiring a Manhattan guy (note that I have left off a pair of mediocrities in Brian Mahoney and Steve Lappas (a poor man's Steve Lavin, good recruiter but one of the worst game coaches I've ever seen).

Now Danny Hurley is a rational option, other than that the Hurleys have historically not been close to St. John's.

Going back to my initial list, if you don't the style Cluess plays, that's reasonable. Though really any "style" that is coherent and looks like basketball would be an improvement on the past decade or so of St John's basketball. However, to quibble over whether he's "a St. John's guy" is just silly. If that's your standard then Brian Mahoney should still be coaching the team. Cluess has local ties, he's well respected, he has a St John's history, he can recruit (or has at the level he's at), and he can coach. He's also smart enough to build a staff.

 

[usguard]

Really do not even want to entertain a thread of firing Lavin I want to give him thru 2016

 

[redstorm89]

Some thoughts on some of the names that have been thrown out:

Larry Brown? Not coming, not what we need, and not someone the school would hire. However if you are enthralled with the idea of hiring a septugenarian, then I would go for Bobby Knight. Or perhaps you would prefer to exhume Joe Lapchick?

Bruce Pearl? You think a program that was appalled by Jarvis misdemeanors and petty offenses and then spent years self-flagellating itself with Norm Roberts is going to hire a full-fledged NCAA felon (note, this is just by way of comparison, I'm not saying Pearl is actually guilty of any actual crimes).

PJ Carlessimo? He won't be coming back to college. Ditto for Lawrence Frank, Mike Dunlap, and Jeff Van Gundy. Also Pat Riley and Phil Jackson if you had them on your list.

Tommy Amaker? He's done well at Harvard, but he's also proved to be the very definition of mediocre at his jobs in upper-level leagues.

Steve Masiello? Let's go down the list of Manhattan coaches: Fran Fraschilla, check. Bobby Gonzalez, check. Yeah, I don't think St John's will be hiring a Manhattan guy (note that I have left off a pair of mediocrities in Brian Mahoney and Steve Lappas (a poor man's Steve Lavin, good recruiter but one of the worst game coaches I've ever seen).

Now Danny Hurley is a rational option, other than that the Hurleys have historically not been close to St. John's.

Going back to my initial list, if you don't the style Cluess plays, that's reasonable. Though really any "style" that is coherent and looks like basketball would be an improvement on the past decade or so of St John's basketball. However, to quibble over whether he's "a St. John's guy" is just silly. If that's your standard then Brian Mahoney should still be coaching the team. Cluess has local ties, he's well respected, he has a St John's history, he can recruit (or has at the level he's at), and he can coach. He's also smart enough to build a staff.

i even remember some fans wanted carnesecca to come back when they fired norm. lol

 

[fuchsia]

Some thoughts on some of the names that have been thrown out:

Larry Brown? Not coming, not what we need, and not someone the school would hire. However if you are enthralled with the idea of hiring a septugenarian, then I would go for Bobby Knight. Or perhaps you would prefer to exhume Joe Lapchick?

Bruce Pearl? You think a program that was appalled by Jarvis misdemeanors and petty offenses and then spent years self-flagellating itself with Norm Roberts is going to hire a full-fledged NCAA felon (note, this is just by way of comparison, I'm not saying Pearl is actually guilty of any actual crimes).

PJ Carlessimo? He won't be coming back to college. Ditto for Lawrence Frank, Mike Dunlap, and Jeff Van Gundy. Also Pat Riley and Phil Jackson if you had them on your list.

Tommy Amaker? He's done well at Harvard, but he's also proved to be the very definition of mediocre at his jobs in upper-level leagues.

Steve Masiello? Let's go down the list of Manhattan coaches: Fran Fraschilla, check. Bobby Gonzalez, check. Yeah, I don't think St John's will be hiring a Manhattan guy (note that I have left off a pair of mediocrities in Brian Mahoney and Steve Lappas (a poor man's Steve Lavin, good recruiter but one of the worst game coaches I've ever seen).

Now Danny Hurley is a rational option, other than that the Hurleys have historically not been close to St. John's.

Going back to my initial list, if you don't the style Cluess plays, that's reasonable. Though really any "style" that is coherent and looks like basketball would be an improvement on the past decade or so of St John's basketball. However, to quibble over whether he's "a St. John's guy" is just silly. If that's your standard then Brian Mahoney should still be coaching the team. Cluess has local ties, he's well respected, he has a St John's history, he can recruit (or has at the level he's at), and he can coach. He's also smart enough to build a staff.

Before the Lavin hire my dream hire was Knight with Cluess as designated heir.

 

[lawmanfan]

Before the Lavin hire my dream hire was Knight with Cluess as designated heir.

I completely remember that. You were on quite a campaign for that back in the day. LOL

 

[Moose]

Some thoughts on some of the names that have been thrown out:

Larry Brown? Not coming, not what we need, and not someone the school would hire. However if you are enthralled with the idea of hiring a septugenarian, then I would go for Bobby Knight. Or perhaps you would prefer to exhume Joe Lapchick?

Bruce Pearl? You think a program that was appalled by Jarvis misdemeanors and petty offenses and then spent years self-flagellating itself with Norm Roberts is going to hire a full-fledged NCAA felon (note, this is just by way of comparison, I'm not saying Pearl is actually guilty of any actual crimes).

PJ Carlessimo? He won't be coming back to college. Ditto for Lawrence Frank, Mike Dunlap, and Jeff Van Gundy. Also Pat Riley and Phil Jackson if you had them on your list.

Tommy Amaker? He's done well at Harvard, but he's also proved to be the very definition of mediocre at his jobs in upper-level leagues.

Steve Masiello? Let's go down the list of Manhattan coaches: Fran Fraschilla, check. Bobby Gonzalez, check. Yeah, I don't think St John's will be hiring a Manhattan guy (note that I have left off a pair of mediocrities in Brian Mahoney and Steve Lappas (a poor man's Steve Lavin, good recruiter but one of the worst game coaches I've ever seen).

Now Danny Hurley is a rational option, other than that the Hurleys have historically not been close to St. John's.

Going back to my initial list, if you don't the style Cluess plays, that's reasonable. Though really any "style" that is coherent and looks like basketball would be an improvement on the past decade or so of St John's basketball. However, to quibble over whether he's "a St. John's guy" is just silly. If that's your standard then Brian Mahoney should still be coaching the team. Cluess has local ties, he's well respected, he has a St John's history, he can recruit (or has at the level he's at), and he can coach. He's also smart enough to build a staff.

I would think an estute basketball fan like yourself was squeem at the thought of Cluess and his chaotic no defense basketball.
So your list is just a way you can say everyone else sucks and to hire Seth, eh?

 

[fuchsia]

Before the Lavin hire my dream hire was Knight with Cluess as designated heir.

I completely remember that. You were on quite a campaign for that back in the day. LOL

When the Socratic method is used we never call it a campaign.

 

[lawmanfan]

I would think an estute basketball fan like yourself was squeem at the thought of Cluess and his chaotic no defense basketball.
So your list is just a way you can say everyone else sucks and to hire Seth, eh?

Curse you, Red Baron, you figured out my diabolical plot.

Mitch Henderson would be an interesting dice roll. He'd need a recruiter on staff. Slice?

 

[Moose]

I would think an estute basketball fan like yourself was squeem at the thought of Cluess and his chaotic no defense basketball.
So your list is just a way you can say everyone else sucks and to hire Seth, eh?

Curse you, Red Baron, you figured out my diabolical plot.

Mitch Henderson would be an interesting dice roll. He'd need a recruiter on staff. Slice?

Yeah I'm sure Mitch Henderson and Slice have soooooooo much in common

*How many schools in big conferences run the Princeton offense besides Gtown?

 

[MainMan]

Mitch Henderson would be an interesting dice roll.

Remember that other Princeton guy who was coaching Air Force to the NCAA tourney and a bunch of redmen.comers were salivating about him possibly replacing Jarvis?!?

Yeah, me neither.

 

[mjmaherjr]

Mitch Henderson would be an interesting dice roll.

Remember that other Princeton guy who was coaching Air Force to the NCAA tourney and a bunch of redmen.comers were salivating about him possibly replacing Jarvis?!?

Yeah, me neither.

Joe Scott I think his name was. I wonder whatever happened to him.

I'm waiting for someone to write Rick Majerus

 

[Red.Fans]

Mitch Henderson would be an interesting dice roll.

Remember that other Princeton guy who was coaching Air Force to the NCAA tourney and a bunch of redmen.comers were salivating about him possibly replacing Jarvis?!?

Yeah, me neither.

I feel like I'm being setup for this one: Joe Scott. Although I'm not sure anyone actually salivated, a guy who knows basketball, was raised and played in NJ and preaches hard work and execution instead of fanning the flames of his own ego would break the post-LC mold.

 

[lawmanfan]

Mitch Henderson would be an interesting dice roll.

Remember that other Princeton guy who was coaching Air Force to the NCAA tourney and a bunch of redmen.comers were salivating about him possibly replacing Jarvis?!?

Yeah, me neither.

Joe Scott I think his name was. I wonder whatever happened to him.

I'm waiting for someone to write Rick Majerus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Scott

 

[austour]

Mitch Henderson would be an interesting dice roll.

Remember that other Princeton guy who was coaching Air Force to the NCAA tourney and a bunch of redmen.comers were salivating about him possibly replacing Jarvis?!?

Yeah, me neither.

I feel like I'm being setup for this one: Joe Scott. Although I'm not sure anyone actually salivated, a guy who knows basketball, was raised and played in NJ and preaches hard work and execution instead of fanning the flames of his own ego would break the post-LC mold.

I actually ran into him when I was at a volleyball tournament in San Jose last Feb. The Denver U team was staying at the same hotel for their game against San Jose State. I thought he looked familiar so asked his name after chatting with him and one of his assistants in the lobby. I said, oh yeah you used to be at Air Force and the fact that I knew that allowed him to open up. We discussed his interest in and possibility of St Johns at that time and he just smiled and acknowledged there was talk but not that serious. He hasn't had much success at Princeton and Denver after that one great season at Air Force. He got Denver to the NIT last year.