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[beast of the east]

Which player has shown growth under his tutelage?


This comment is the single most over stated expectation of college basketball coaches

I couldn't disagree more. A truly well-rounded coach would excel at multiple components (i.e. Xs and Os, in-game management, recruiting, and player development). It's rare to find someone that actually excels in all categories, and those that do are called Hall of Fame Coaches. However, to say that developing a college player's skills is an "overstated expectation" is just not accurate.

So, I would ask you to tell me in all the years you've followed SJU basketball, who in your opinion was developed into a player with the help of coaching staff? I listed a bunch of guys who were touted but improved marginally if not at all during their time at SJU. We've had nationally ranked teams, so it would stand to reason that players here improved tremendously under coaching.

Chudney Gray

What in your knowledge would you say coaching taught him? I'm not saying someone improved from year 1-4, but that it was a direct result of coaching. If that were truly the case, the NBA wouldn't draft underclassmen, no more than corporations preferring you get your degree.

To me, the biggest case in point would be Wayne McKoy. To make sure he got the very best big man coaching, St. John's hired Willis Reed as an assistant. McKoy's improvement, if any, over his time here was imperceptible.

 

[logen]

Which player has shown growth under his tutelage?


This comment is the single most over stated expectation of college basketball coaches

I couldn't disagree more. A truly well-rounded coach would excel at multiple components (i.e. Xs and Os, in-game management, recruiting, and player development). It's rare to find someone that actually excels in all categories, and those that do are called Hall of Fame Coaches. However, to say that developing a college player's skills is an "overstated expectation" is just not accurate.

So, I would ask you to tell me in all the years you've followed SJU basketball, who in your opinion was developed into a player with the help of coaching staff? I listed a bunch of guys who were touted but improved marginally if not at all during their time at SJU. We've had nationally ranked teams, so it would stand to reason that players here improved tremendously under coaching.

Chudney Gray

What in your knowledge would you say coaching taught him? I'm not saying someone improved from year 1-4, but that it was a direct result of coaching. If that were truly the case, the NBA wouldn't draft underclassmen, no more than corporations preferring you get your degree.

To me, the biggest case in point would be Wayne McKoy. To make sure he got the very best big man coaching, St. John's hired Willis Reed as an assistant. McKoy's improvement, if any, over his time here was imperceptible.

Using your logic your question is unanswerable because none of us are in practice to know what a coach might or might not have taught a player. So, IMO, Grey is an excellent example as is David Cain.

 

[ErickTheRed]

I think Lavor Postell developed nicely under Fran and Jarvis (I know lol)

 

[beast of the east]

Which player has shown growth under his tutelage?


This comment is the single most over stated expectation of college basketball coaches

I couldn't disagree more. A truly well-rounded coach would excel at multiple components (i.e. Xs and Os, in-game management, recruiting, and player development). It's rare to find someone that actually excels in all categories, and those that do are called Hall of Fame Coaches. However, to say that developing a college player's skills is an "overstated expectation" is just not accurate.

So, I would ask you to tell me in all the years you've followed SJU basketball, who in your opinion was developed into a player with the help of coaching staff? I listed a bunch of guys who were touted but improved marginally if not at all during their time at SJU. We've had nationally ranked teams, so it would stand to reason that players here improved tremendously under coaching.

Chudney Gray

What in your knowledge would you say coaching taught him? I'm not saying someone improved from year 1-4, but that it was a direct result of coaching. If that were truly the case, the NBA wouldn't draft underclassmen, no more than corporations preferring you get your degree.

To me, the biggest case in point would be Wayne McKoy. To make sure he got the very best big man coaching, St. John's hired Willis Reed as an assistant. McKoy's improvement, if any, over his time here was imperceptible.

Using your logic your question is unanswerable because none of us are in practice to know what a coach might or might not have taught a player. So, IMO, Grey is an excellent example as is David Cain.

Well I think that when we have to come up with marginally good players at best, and none of us can recall any quotes from a player or celebrated players who improved so markedly that articles attributing the development to a coach, that it just doesn't happen to the extent that some think it does.