NYCRedmen
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Exactly, we all remember this (they became the first Big East school ever to be hit with NCAA violations).
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/02/sports/colleges-ncaa-calls-a-two-year-foul-on-syracuse.html
Syracuse
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Exactly, we all remember this (they became the first Big East school ever to be hit with NCAA violations).
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/10/02/sports/colleges-ncaa-calls-a-two-year-foul-on-syracuse.html
Avon Barksdale
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they got to play in the BET that year (they beat us in the semis) - any idea why they were allowed to play?
The powers that be didn't like it. They implemented the rule that eventually got us (and UCONN) the following year.
Tranghese later went on record calling the decision to let Syracuse play, as his biggest mistake as commissioner. (I personally think Notre Dame was his biggest mistake, but that is neither here nor there...)
Jay Bilas on ESPN basically says this is a slap on the wrist and nothing changes.
This will "not prevent them" from landing recruits, and they will "just pull scholarships from someone at the end of the bench".
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12432553
This will "not prevent them" from landing recruits, and they will "just pull scholarships from someone at the end of the bench".
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=12432553
I agree. Doesn't change the basic business operating plan.
So this has no affect on Thomas Bryant?
Bilas is just a personality at this point. He's just anti-everything NCAA. He didn't say anything but just ranted how no information was released about it. We've already heard some of the things that went on and I'm sure more will come out.
Pulling ships from the end of the bench is simplifying it.
That's like saying Cuse's starting 5-7 players are just studs and the remaining 3 players they're bringing in will all be 5* Top 50 players.
Reality says that's not happening. Not with only 2 coaches splitting duty on the road recruiting trying to convince a top player and his parents/handlers why Cuse is the place to be.
How come Bilas isn't so vocal about Sulaimon?
Avon Barksdale
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I agree Jay Bilas is there to "take the NCAA to task" and his shtick has grown very very old.
Not to jump too far off topic now because i dont want anyone to destroy their computer or tablet, but i think the ESPN "gameday/studio team" is completely horrid now that Digger Phelps is gone. I am a huge Digger fan and listening to those buffoons - Greenberg, Jay " I missed that turn on my motorcycle" Williams, Billas etc has turned into nothing short of a circus act. I am not saying that Austin Croshere does a better job because he is another putz but the ESPN analysts bring the "putz-dom" to a whole new level.
I'll we'll just see how it works out for recruits over time (near term and long term). That Bryant guy still might go to school there after JB gives someone else the heave-ho out the door. My guess it won't impact recruiting very much in the grand scheme; they will still get theirs.
@AdamZagoria: Syracuse's recruitment of Thomas Bryant is "all but over"http://t.co/gTsmwac2EA
@SethDavisHoops: Tough stuff RT @YahooForde: Boeheim is a coach, not an emperor. Tomorrow should be his last game at Syracusehttp://t.co/flYeCeFSxZ
southernjohnny2
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Big East should sue them for the money from tourneys in years wins vacated.
Its in the ruling that that have to give back the money. But it appears it goes to the NCAA.
There's a good article on the subject of recruiting for insiders. Essentially they are done recruiting the classes of 15 and even 16 unless there are transfers, early entries or their one '16 recruit has second thoughts.
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-...scholarship-reduction-hinders-ability-recruit
There's a good article on the subject of recruiting for insiders. Essentially they are done recruiting the classes of 15 and even 16 unless there are transfers, early entries or their one '16 recruit has second thoughts.
http://insider.espn.go.com/college-...scholarship-reduction-hinders-ability-recruit
This is from the perspective of a STj Grad who lived in Syracuse for 31 years, had mid court seats at Manley and. then at the Dome, saw Jinmmy coach his first game and have seen hundreds since.
!. the NCAA sanctions are devastating to Jimmy Boehein and, to some extent, to SU.
2. The NCAA seems to have gone l out of it's way to heap all the blame on the coach as the sole offender, thus tarnishing his legacy and image for all time.
3. The loss of 120 (?) victories is small potatoes for most fans in a year or so, but not to Syracuse fans who crow and count those things in their paper everyday; there isn't a lot else to do up there in winter The loss of 100+wins to Jimmy? Devastation in terms of endorsement $s
4 It is also a big deal to the University who must eat some image crow by changing banners, brand advertising, and living with a court, prematurely named for a guy who was caught three times.
5. The situation is far worse than numerous sanctions in the past; the combination of loss of 23% of scholarship opportunities combined with a 50% reduction in on campus recruiters and no money well for players changes their MO dramatically.
6. The biggest result of the specific sanctions is that SU must now either fire or buy out Jimmy.. They are given no choice as a board of governors. Here is a known and repeatedly convicted cheat at the head of their marquee program who is week after week on national TV. They can't allow that. StJ had a comparative minor and focused issue and they fired the entire department to save face. SU doesn't have to go that far, but Coach has to go.
7. Jimmy ain't going anywhere.! I know this guy; he doesn't care what your problem is, and he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. (read the book). He's making $3 mill a year and he wont leave that behind for a greater image saving goa for the Universityl. They are going to have to buy him out to get him out and I'm guessing that will cost $15+ million unless their lawyers are as smart as they were in the Hawkins/Fine/Bruin/etc/etc/etc cases, and have an escape clause for cheating.
8. Syracuse will suffer greatly because of these sanctions. I only feel badly for the football program, who had a much lesser sanction, as they have run a clean, sportsmanlike, solid, program for the 50+ years I know them. They play the best and occasionally beat the best. They have no excuses when they are down and they don't gloat when they are up. They have represented sports at it's best and this minor exception will make them better. .
9. Even though Boeheim's offenses were committed in the Big East and are embarrassing, I'm quietly smiling that they got caught as an ACC team as that makes the Big East stronger by their absence .It has also has helped me get over their loss to the BE. Maybe they wouldn't have beaten us so much if he hadn't cheated,
Make no mistake about this whole thing; the sanctions are all about Jim Boeheim and only about Jim Boeheim.. The NCAA is brilliant in how they made it exactly that way.
!. the NCAA sanctions are devastating to Jimmy Boehein and, to some extent, to SU.
2. The NCAA seems to have gone l out of it's way to heap all the blame on the coach as the sole offender, thus tarnishing his legacy and image for all time.
3. The loss of 120 (?) victories is small potatoes for most fans in a year or so, but not to Syracuse fans who crow and count those things in their paper everyday; there isn't a lot else to do up there in winter The loss of 100+wins to Jimmy? Devastation in terms of endorsement $s
4 It is also a big deal to the University who must eat some image crow by changing banners, brand advertising, and living with a court, prematurely named for a guy who was caught three times.
5. The situation is far worse than numerous sanctions in the past; the combination of loss of 23% of scholarship opportunities combined with a 50% reduction in on campus recruiters and no money well for players changes their MO dramatically.
6. The biggest result of the specific sanctions is that SU must now either fire or buy out Jimmy.. They are given no choice as a board of governors. Here is a known and repeatedly convicted cheat at the head of their marquee program who is week after week on national TV. They can't allow that. StJ had a comparative minor and focused issue and they fired the entire department to save face. SU doesn't have to go that far, but Coach has to go.
7. Jimmy ain't going anywhere.! I know this guy; he doesn't care what your problem is, and he doesn't think he's done anything wrong. (read the book). He's making $3 mill a year and he wont leave that behind for a greater image saving goa for the Universityl. They are going to have to buy him out to get him out and I'm guessing that will cost $15+ million unless their lawyers are as smart as they were in the Hawkins/Fine/Bruin/etc/etc/etc cases, and have an escape clause for cheating.
8. Syracuse will suffer greatly because of these sanctions. I only feel badly for the football program, who had a much lesser sanction, as they have run a clean, sportsmanlike, solid, program for the 50+ years I know them. They play the best and occasionally beat the best. They have no excuses when they are down and they don't gloat when they are up. They have represented sports at it's best and this minor exception will make them better. .
9. Even though Boeheim's offenses were committed in the Big East and are embarrassing, I'm quietly smiling that they got caught as an ACC team as that makes the Big East stronger by their absence .It has also has helped me get over their loss to the BE. Maybe they wouldn't have beaten us so much if he hadn't cheated,
Make no mistake about this whole thing; the sanctions are all about Jim Boeheim and only about Jim Boeheim.. The NCAA is brilliant in how they made it exactly that way.