Syracuse

[SJU61982]

I can't believe how Syracuse is treated so lightly, when the NCAA tortured us for years, and our penalties were much harsher for far less infractions.

Big picture. This isn't a light penalty. Could it be more harsh? Sure.

But some of you just want to see Jimmy B doing the perp walk out of the Carrier Dome in handcuffs.

Agreed. We only got our self-imposed one year ban, and one scholarship loss per year for two years, for the Abe Keita violation. That, and the vacating of wins, which is always garbage, IMO. I guess, because there was only the one known violation. I do like the suggestion in your second paragraph though, SJUAlum98. Not that he deserves it, I'd just like to see it.

As an aside, the phrase "lack of institutional control" has always bothered me. It's "too much institutional control", if anything. That's not that important, though.

 

[SJUalum98]

Boeheim to be suspended for 9 games
12 scholarships forfeited over 4 years
No postseason ban

What a joke. An NCAA team can offer 13 scholarships. The only people that really get hurt in this are the walk-on/practice players that might have earned a scholarship. Syracuse we'll be just fine with the scholarships; even if a fringe player that had limited minutes leaves the team.

What NCAA team offers 13 scholarships?

They will feel this big time in their recruiting.

Of course many teams don't have 13 kids on scholarships.
But if teams are indeed allowed to offer 13 scholarships, then:
They use up 3 on this ban, and Excuse still has 10 to offer.
The loss of scholarship aspect of this is a slap on the wrist.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the 13 limit, it's a slap on the wrist, the 'ship aspect to this all.

You're assuming that there are no returning players who are already on scholarship.

 

[redfan99kiuh]

Maybe the loss of scholarships makes JB think about retiring sooner then he planned??

 

[bk8664]

Boeheim to be suspended for 9 games
12 scholarships forfeited over 4 years
No postseason ban

What a joke. An NCAA team can offer 13 scholarships. The only people that really get hurt in this are the walk-on/practice players that might have earned a scholarship. Syracuse we'll be just fine with the scholarships; even if a fringe player that had limited minutes leaves the team.

What NCAA team offers 13 scholarships?

They will feel this big time in their recruiting.

Of course many teams don't have 13 kids on scholarships.
But if teams are indeed allowed to offer 13 scholarships, then:
They use up 3 on this ban, and Excuse still has 10 to offer.
The loss of scholarship aspect of this is a slap on the wrist.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the 13 limit, it's a slap on the wrist, the 'ship aspect to this all.

You're assuming that there are no returning players who are already on scholarship.

I guess my point is, I really doubt that they had a plan for more than 10 rotation guys for next year, between recruits and returning players. I bet the only kids that get hurt on this are walk-on/practice types. Again, I'm not an expert on this; it just seems that 13 - 3 = 10 = plenty of wiggle room, right?

Am I not understanding something? I don't claim to have any kind of special knowledge with regard to scholarships.

 

[MainMan]

Glad to see they finally got around to treating the LeRon Ellis situation seriously.

 

[jerseyshorejohnny]

Syracuse Schadenfreude !

 

[Anthony Mattia]

How can they hand down this decision so quickly after the investigation yet North Carolina STILL has not had anything happen to them. SMFH!

 

[Tomc]

If Syracuse received this kind of punishment, NORTH CAROLINA should receive a lot worse for their charade with grades and phony courses.

 

[MainMan]

The only question that matters: is Norm's BE record close to .500 now?

 

[simplyred]

The only question that matters: is Norm's BE record close to .500 now?

I guess that means we didn't lose to them all those years. Whew!

 

[Spocky Ramone]

As per WikiPedia, Syracuse's all time win total WAS 1812.
Now it's 1703, which drops them to 15th all time.

And bumps us back up to 7th!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_NCAA_Division_I_men's_college_basketball

 

[paultzman]

The only question that matters: is Norm's BE record close to .500 now?

SJU giving him retro extension.

 

[SJUalum98]

@slmandel: Crazy detail in the Syracuse report. Director of basketball ops and others had players' passwords, would email their professors as them.

 

[Marillac]

As per WikiPedia, Syracuse's all time win total WAS 1812.
Now it's 1703, which drops them to 15th all time.

And bumps us back up to 7th!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...s_in_NCAA_Division_I_men's_college_basketball

Are they definitely losing all the wins those seasons or just contests ineligible players played in? I only glanced over it, but I thought it was the latter. It would be HUGE if your take on it is right.

As for the scholarship issues, that is typically a huge deal for most schools, but JB with his zone and limited rotations can be fine with the right players. He made it to the 96 championship game with a 7 man rotation.

I can't believe they didn't get at least one more year of a postseason ban. That would have sent JB to retirement. This is just a foul, vile program.

 

[Marillac]

The only question that matters: is Norm's BE record close to .500 now?

LOL

A lot more schools would have to forfeit wins for that to happen.

 

[austour]

Boeheim to be suspended for 9 games
12 scholarships forfeited over 4 years
No postseason ban

What a joke. An NCAA team can offer 13 scholarships. The only people that really get hurt in this are the walk-on/practice players that might have earned a scholarship. Syracuse we'll be just fine with the scholarships; even if a fringe player that had limited minutes leaves the team.

What NCAA team offers 13 scholarships?

They will feel this big time in their recruiting.

Of course many teams don't have 13 kids on scholarships.
But if teams are indeed allowed to offer 13 scholarships, then:
They use up 3 on this ban, and Excuse still has 10 to offer.
The loss of scholarship aspect of this is a slap on the wrist.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the 13 limit, it's a slap on the wrist, the 'ship aspect to this all.

You're assuming that there are no returning players who are already on scholarship.

I guess my point is, I really doubt that they had a plan for more than 10 rotation guys for next year, between recruits and returning players. I bet the only kids that get hurt on this are walk-on/practice types. Again, I'm not an expert on this; it just seems that 13 - 3 = 10 = plenty of wiggle room, right?

Am I not understanding something? I don't claim to have any kind of special knowledge with regard to scholarships.

Let's do the math. This year they have either 11 or 12 scholarship players (not sure about Nassar). 10 of them are returning (not Christmas or Nassar). Of those ten the Monmouth transfer White doesn't really play nor does Obokoh. And of course McCullough and Coleman are out with injuries. But still that's 10 returnees as of now.

They already have 4 signed LOI's. Someone is being relieved of their scholly or released from the LOI already. Penalty won't be able to kick in until the following season. Have to assume even if they somehow dip below 13 this season they wouldn't be allowed to top off the roster. Interesting situation.

Paultz, if BJ asks Syracuse to revoke his scholly rather than transferring would he be eligible immediately? How do transfers work in those situations?

 

[mjmaherjr]

The only question that matters: is Norm's BE record close to .500 now?

LOL

A lot more schools would have to forfeit wins for that to happen.

including hofstra

 

[paultzman]

Boeheim to be suspended for 9 games
12 scholarships forfeited over 4 years
No postseason ban

What a joke. An NCAA team can offer 13 scholarships. The only people that really get hurt in this are the walk-on/practice players that might have earned a scholarship. Syracuse we'll be just fine with the scholarships; even if a fringe player that had limited minutes leaves the team.

What NCAA team offers 13 scholarships?

They will feel this big time in their recruiting.

Of course many teams don't have 13 kids on scholarships.
But if teams are indeed allowed to offer 13 scholarships, then:
They use up 3 on this ban, and Excuse still has 10 to offer.
The loss of scholarship aspect of this is a slap on the wrist.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the 13 limit, it's a slap on the wrist, the 'ship aspect to this all.

You're assuming that there are no returning players who are already on scholarship.

I guess my point is, I really doubt that they had a plan for more than 10 rotation guys for next year, between recruits and returning players. I bet the only kids that get hurt on this are walk-on/practice types. Again, I'm not an expert on this; it just seems that 13 - 3 = 10 = plenty of wiggle room, right?

Am I not understanding something? I don't claim to have any kind of special knowledge with regard to scholarships.

Let's do the math. This year they have either 11 or 12 scholarship players (not sure about Nassar). 10 of them are returning (not Christmas or Nassar). Of those ten the Monmouth transfer White doesn't really play nor does Obokoh. And of course McCullough and Coleman are out with injuries. But still that's 10 returnees as of now.

They already have 4 signed LOI's. Someone is being relieved of their scholly or released from the LOI already. Penalty won't be able to kick in until the following season. Have to assume even if they somehow dip below 13 this season they wouldn't be allowed to top off the roster. Interesting situation.

Paultz, if BJ asks Syracuse to revoke his scholly rather than transferring would he be eligible immediately? How do transfers work in those situations?

I assume he could not transfer without sitting out a year since Cuse is eligible for post season play next season. That also assumes he doesn't have a sick cat living in Queens. Regarding revoking his scholarship, I have no clue. That said, I hear Jim B would drive him to his destination of choice.

 

[Marillac]

Boeheim to be suspended for 9 games
12 scholarships forfeited over 4 years
No postseason ban

What a joke. An NCAA team can offer 13 scholarships. The only people that really get hurt in this are the walk-on/practice players that might have earned a scholarship. Syracuse we'll be just fine with the scholarships; even if a fringe player that had limited minutes leaves the team.

What NCAA team offers 13 scholarships?

They will feel this big time in their recruiting.

Of course many teams don't have 13 kids on scholarships.
But if teams are indeed allowed to offer 13 scholarships, then:
They use up 3 on this ban, and Excuse still has 10 to offer.
The loss of scholarship aspect of this is a slap on the wrist.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding the 13 limit, it's a slap on the wrist, the 'ship aspect to this all.

You're assuming that there are no returning players who are already on scholarship.

I guess my point is, I really doubt that they had a plan for more than 10 rotation guys for next year, between recruits and returning players. I bet the only kids that get hurt on this are walk-on/practice types. Again, I'm not an expert on this; it just seems that 13 - 3 = 10 = plenty of wiggle room, right?

Am I not understanding something? I don't claim to have any kind of special knowledge with regard to scholarships.

Let's do the math. This year they have either 11 or 12 scholarship players (not sure about Nassar). 10 of them are returning (not Christmas or Nassar). Of those ten the Monmouth transfer White doesn't really play nor does Obokoh. And of course McCullough and Coleman are out with injuries. But still that's 10 returnees as of now.

They already have 4 signed LOI's. Someone is being relieved of their scholly or released from the LOI already. Penalty won't be able to kick in until the following season. Have to assume even if they somehow dip below 13 this season they wouldn't be allowed to top off the roster. Interesting situation.

Paultz, if BJ asks Syracuse to revoke his scholly rather than transferring would he be eligible immediately? How do transfers work in those situations?

The NCAA has allowed players at schools given sanctions (after the player committed) to transfer and play immediately. That typically involves some postseason ban, but I would imagine staying on a that will be playing at a 23% scholarship disadvantage for the remainder of your career would qualify.

Cuse has a few unique situations to accommodate those four recruits. Cooney will graduate and I'd imagine could pay his own way for grad school with a nice aid package for a semester. Or he could choose to play somewhere else immediately. BJ is probably a goner, and JB has hinted at a lot of roster turnover, so that will likely include a few more transfers. Chris is also a goner for the NBA by 2016 latest (when the scholarship ban would start).

I'd gladly take BJ and Chris off their hands if they could play immediately

 

[austour]

Boeheim hinted at roster turnover but did he know at the time about the sanctions. If he drops down to 10 then they kick in for next year. Is that how he wants to go? I don't think he's going to last through the scholarship sanctions so it's in his interests to have next year's squad be his last full roster I would think.