St. John’s (2020-21)
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Bits have been discussed across other threads- but this seems like the appropriate place to put this- curious on peoples impression of the guys so far through 4 games:
Starting with the newcomers:
Posh- exceeds expectations, looking forward to 4 years with him running the show
Cole- looks a bit slow out there at times, hopefully we start running sets for him to get open, and he can find his rhythm
Moore- as advertised, hes confident in his offensive game, would like to see him more in the block to high post area- think he can make teams pay with the 15 ft jumper.
Wusu- wasnt expecting him to play this much, so exceeds what i anticipated from him. Has a nice stroke- but looks real hesitant to dribble - hopefully that comes with more gameplay
Toro- confused on this one.... this guy just doesnt look like he belongs in this system... guess nothing to lose picking up a grad-transfer, but would rather his minutes go to Roberts....
McGriff- like what i've seen in his limited minutes, never hurts to have another ball handler.
Returnees:
Champ- what a debut and decent follow-up. A lot is going to be asked of him this year, looked a lil gassed at the end of BYU game. Looks like the preseason hype had merit
Greg- wish he had offensive confidence of earlington or moore- want to see him be more aggressive. he can make a living at the line for us.
Josh- not sure if hes still hurt... would like to see him get more minutes, Moore and he get a 70/30 split
Marcellus- thought he would have continued his solid play- hopefully just needs some more time. Last year he showed his stuff the back half of the season.
David- oof.... this one looks like a transfer at the end of the season, maybe during. Seems like a good kid, just doesnt have a role as of now.
Dunn- looked off in the first half of St Peters, but jury is out until he hopefully fully recovers.
Starting with the newcomers:
Posh- exceeds expectations, looking forward to 4 years with him running the show
Cole- looks a bit slow out there at times, hopefully we start running sets for him to get open, and he can find his rhythm
Moore- as advertised, hes confident in his offensive game, would like to see him more in the block to high post area- think he can make teams pay with the 15 ft jumper.
Wusu- wasnt expecting him to play this much, so exceeds what i anticipated from him. Has a nice stroke- but looks real hesitant to dribble - hopefully that comes with more gameplay
Toro- confused on this one.... this guy just doesnt look like he belongs in this system... guess nothing to lose picking up a grad-transfer, but would rather his minutes go to Roberts....
McGriff- like what i've seen in his limited minutes, never hurts to have another ball handler.
Returnees:
Champ- what a debut and decent follow-up. A lot is going to be asked of him this year, looked a lil gassed at the end of BYU game. Looks like the preseason hype had merit
Greg- wish he had offensive confidence of earlington or moore- want to see him be more aggressive. he can make a living at the line for us.
Josh- not sure if hes still hurt... would like to see him get more minutes, Moore and he get a 70/30 split
Marcellus- thought he would have continued his solid play- hopefully just needs some more time. Last year he showed his stuff the back half of the season.
David- oof.... this one looks like a transfer at the end of the season, maybe during. Seems like a good kid, just doesnt have a role as of now.
Dunn- looked off in the first half of St Peters, but jury is out until he hopefully fully recovers.
ronm
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[quote="Brian3" post=405761]Bits have been discussed across other threads- but this seems like the appropriate place to put this- curious on peoples impression of the guys so far through 4 games:
Starting with the newcomers:
Posh- exceeds expectations, looking forward to 4 years with him running the show
Cole- looks a bit slow out there at times, hopefully we start running sets for him to get open, and he can find his rhythm
Moore- as advertised, hes confident in his offensive game, would like to see him more in the block to high post area- think he can make teams pay with the 15 ft jumper.
Wusu- wasnt expecting him to play this much, so exceeds what i anticipated from him. Has a nice stroke- but looks real hesitant to dribble - hopefully that comes with more gameplay
Toro- confused on this one.... this guy just doesnt look like he belongs in this system... guess nothing to lose picking up a grad-transfer, but would rather his minutes go to Roberts....
McGriff- like what i've seen in his limited minutes, never hurts to have another ball handler.
Returnees:
Champ- what a debut and decent follow-up. A lot is going to be asked of him this year, looked a lil gassed at the end of BYU game. Looks like the preseason hype had merit
Greg- wish he had offensive confidence of earlington or moore- want to see him be more aggressive. he can make a living at the line for us.
Josh- not sure if hes still hurt... would like to see him get more minutes, Moore and he get a 70/30 split
Marcellus- thought he would have continued his solid play- hopefully just needs some more time. Last year he showed his stuff the back half of the season.
David- oof.... this one looks like a transfer at the end of the season, maybe during. Seems like a good kid, just doesnt have a role as of now.
Dunn- looked off in the first half of St Peters, but jury is out until he hopefully fully recovers.[/quote]
Excellent post!
Starting with the newcomers:
Posh- exceeds expectations, looking forward to 4 years with him running the show
Cole- looks a bit slow out there at times, hopefully we start running sets for him to get open, and he can find his rhythm
Moore- as advertised, hes confident in his offensive game, would like to see him more in the block to high post area- think he can make teams pay with the 15 ft jumper.
Wusu- wasnt expecting him to play this much, so exceeds what i anticipated from him. Has a nice stroke- but looks real hesitant to dribble - hopefully that comes with more gameplay
Toro- confused on this one.... this guy just doesnt look like he belongs in this system... guess nothing to lose picking up a grad-transfer, but would rather his minutes go to Roberts....
McGriff- like what i've seen in his limited minutes, never hurts to have another ball handler.
Returnees:
Champ- what a debut and decent follow-up. A lot is going to be asked of him this year, looked a lil gassed at the end of BYU game. Looks like the preseason hype had merit
Greg- wish he had offensive confidence of earlington or moore- want to see him be more aggressive. he can make a living at the line for us.
Josh- not sure if hes still hurt... would like to see him get more minutes, Moore and he get a 70/30 split
Marcellus- thought he would have continued his solid play- hopefully just needs some more time. Last year he showed his stuff the back half of the season.
David- oof.... this one looks like a transfer at the end of the season, maybe during. Seems like a good kid, just doesnt have a role as of now.
Dunn- looked off in the first half of St Peters, but jury is out until he hopefully fully recovers.[/quote]
Excellent post!
QueensBall
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[quote="Paultzman" post=405776]Through 4 games
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Wusu needs to work on turnovers and fouls but his shot selection and defense have been extremely impressive for a freshman in his first 4 games. I think Wusu, Earlington and Champagnie have all been recent recruits that I've really underestimated in one way or another to varying degrees. I won't mention any that I overestimated because I have my pride...*cough cough Richard Freudenberg cough cough*
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Wusu needs to work on turnovers and fouls but his shot selection and defense have been extremely impressive for a freshman in his first 4 games. I think Wusu, Earlington and Champagnie have all been recent recruits that I've really underestimated in one way or another to varying degrees. I won't mention any that I overestimated because I have my pride...*cough cough Richard Freudenberg cough cough*
[quote="QueensBall" post=406072][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406059][quote="QueensBall" post=406025][quote="redmannorth" post=406024]A year and a half ago when CMA signed Julian I said ok we are really short bodies and I accept this kid who no one of importance was recruiting.
15 months ago when he added Wusu to the nice 3 man class he already had with Cole, Moore and Posh I was disappointed and I voiced it on this board. If you recall I was watching my son at a tournament in Montréal that weekend and a few US coaches were there scouting Mathew Alexander Moncrief, the top Canadian player who ended up at Oklahoma State. I was with an assistant coach from St. Francis who introduced me to an assistant coach from Seton Hall. I will never forget He said maybe Wusu could be ok but what was the rush to sign him? SJU could have waited until the spring to sign a kid of that level. As I said I was disappointed and somewhat frustrated that we could not get a higher ranked kid to commit to being the last player of an otherwise very good class on paper.
4 games in to this crazy season I have learned to have much greater confidence in this staff’s recruiting than I would have given them credit for. Champagnie exceeded everyone’s expectations year 1 and continues to do the same year 2. Wusu through 4 games has been a fantastic surprise and has been a very solid rotational player.
Am I saying CMA is perfect, not by any stretch, though I do believe he is by far the best coach we have had in the last 27 years. But so far he has proved many a sceptic completely wrong in his recruiting at SJU with Julian, Posh and now Wusu. I will wait for this kid to play half a season for us before I pass any judgement, history has clearly shown CMA has an eye for talent that many others do not.[/quote]
Great post, Redmannorth. This is pretty much how I feel. Even if my gut instinct is to be disappointed with a recruit this staff has earned the benefit of the doubt for sure. Julian and Wusu were two that didn't initially excite me and now they're 2 of the players I consider most valuable to this team's success. Even Moore (who we're all complaining about because of his less than stellar game the other night) I really wasn't expecting much from at first. Until that article came out from Braziller where Zach said he looked like the best player I thought he'd be a depth piece who would need to be developed. Then after the scrimmage (I didn't watch) people here were also excited and now it's clear that even though he may frustrate us at times and needs coaching, he's an immediate starter and contributing right away. If you'd told me that when we recruited him I'd be happy. Moore potentially has 3 years left, right? He could be a very dangerous player if he keeps developing. So while this new signing doesn't exactly blow me away either at first glance, I have faith in this staff's eye right now.[/quote]
Of course Moore is a starter right away, who else is there? Maybe this kid will push him to stop being reckless. Otherwise he might come off the bench.[/quote]
I'm not saying he's not the obvious choice to start now, I'm just pointing out that I was pleasantly surprised that it happens to be the case. I assumed the competition for "starting big" would be between Roberts & Toro or a smaller lineup that had Earlington/Champagnie as the bigs. I don't feel like I saw a lot of us on here thinking that Moore would be this much of a factor right away. If you did then you were more perceptive than most I think.
Despite whatever shortcomings he may currently have (he was also driving me insane the other night) he's much more of a contributor right now now than I expected him to be. Agree he needs more discipline in his game but it's pretty early on in his Division 1 career and there aren't many 6'10 guys who can run the floor like him which is important for the way this team plays. For better or worse we can't just recruit any 7 footer to this style. Our bigs need to check some pretty specific boxes right now re pace and athleticism.[/quote]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.
15 months ago when he added Wusu to the nice 3 man class he already had with Cole, Moore and Posh I was disappointed and I voiced it on this board. If you recall I was watching my son at a tournament in Montréal that weekend and a few US coaches were there scouting Mathew Alexander Moncrief, the top Canadian player who ended up at Oklahoma State. I was with an assistant coach from St. Francis who introduced me to an assistant coach from Seton Hall. I will never forget He said maybe Wusu could be ok but what was the rush to sign him? SJU could have waited until the spring to sign a kid of that level. As I said I was disappointed and somewhat frustrated that we could not get a higher ranked kid to commit to being the last player of an otherwise very good class on paper.
4 games in to this crazy season I have learned to have much greater confidence in this staff’s recruiting than I would have given them credit for. Champagnie exceeded everyone’s expectations year 1 and continues to do the same year 2. Wusu through 4 games has been a fantastic surprise and has been a very solid rotational player.
Am I saying CMA is perfect, not by any stretch, though I do believe he is by far the best coach we have had in the last 27 years. But so far he has proved many a sceptic completely wrong in his recruiting at SJU with Julian, Posh and now Wusu. I will wait for this kid to play half a season for us before I pass any judgement, history has clearly shown CMA has an eye for talent that many others do not.[/quote]
Great post, Redmannorth. This is pretty much how I feel. Even if my gut instinct is to be disappointed with a recruit this staff has earned the benefit of the doubt for sure. Julian and Wusu were two that didn't initially excite me and now they're 2 of the players I consider most valuable to this team's success. Even Moore (who we're all complaining about because of his less than stellar game the other night) I really wasn't expecting much from at first. Until that article came out from Braziller where Zach said he looked like the best player I thought he'd be a depth piece who would need to be developed. Then after the scrimmage (I didn't watch) people here were also excited and now it's clear that even though he may frustrate us at times and needs coaching, he's an immediate starter and contributing right away. If you'd told me that when we recruited him I'd be happy. Moore potentially has 3 years left, right? He could be a very dangerous player if he keeps developing. So while this new signing doesn't exactly blow me away either at first glance, I have faith in this staff's eye right now.[/quote]
Of course Moore is a starter right away, who else is there? Maybe this kid will push him to stop being reckless. Otherwise he might come off the bench.[/quote]
I'm not saying he's not the obvious choice to start now, I'm just pointing out that I was pleasantly surprised that it happens to be the case. I assumed the competition for "starting big" would be between Roberts & Toro or a smaller lineup that had Earlington/Champagnie as the bigs. I don't feel like I saw a lot of us on here thinking that Moore would be this much of a factor right away. If you did then you were more perceptive than most I think.
Despite whatever shortcomings he may currently have (he was also driving me insane the other night) he's much more of a contributor right now now than I expected him to be. Agree he needs more discipline in his game but it's pretty early on in his Division 1 career and there aren't many 6'10 guys who can run the floor like him which is important for the way this team plays. For better or worse we can't just recruit any 7 footer to this style. Our bigs need to check some pretty specific boxes right now re pace and athleticism.[/quote]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.
MakingPlays
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[quote="Moose" post=406078][quote="Making Plays" post=406077]This is a little bit of an odd pick-up for CMA, I can't recall him taking a kid mid-semester and I can't recall taking a kid that essentially quit his team before the year even started.
My best guess for them taking Nyiwe and going to push for waiver is because they are seeing they may not get much out of Toro and Roberts. And this was probably the best available option and best chance to get someone that can help at that position this year. Toro, Roberts, and Caraher have been the biggest disappoints so far this year, Roberts and Caraher looks like they have regressed, just don't look comfortable out there.
Also, on a side note, what's up with the Josh Roberts fan club on twitter? There's some guys on twitter after every game calling for more playing time for Roberts. Are these guys watching the same games as everyone else? He's averaging 2 points and 3 rebounds per game. Roberts has been given several opportunities to step up and just hasn't. They even moved him into the starting lineup for 2 games to get him going and still nothing.[/quote]
Did he quit though?
https://wreckemred.com/2020/09/04/texas-tech-basketball-strengths-weaknesses-2020-21-roster/
However, one name that fans won’t see on this roster is 2020 JUCO signee Esahia Nyiwe. The 6-foot-10 forward from Clarendon College was the odd man out when Tech had to trim one player from the roster to get down to the NCAA mandated limit of 13 scholarships.
*As for Josh Roberts- whenever a kid seems to have a parents or relative who is active on social media- SJU fans seem to gravitate to them and watch their games with a certain pair of red glasses.[/quote]
Ah ok, thanks for the link. Looks like Texas Tech over recruited, and he was the last man out. I don't like when coaches do that to kids, it's shady IMO, that's one thing I respect about CMA he's not going to hang a kid out to dry like that, if he takes his commitment he's got a spot for him. Going to be interesting to see what Nyiwe can do, he has a nice skillset.
And as far as Roberts, I noticed the same thing that he has a relative that is a diehard fan of his and tweets often. I'm just reading the tweets calling for more playing time for him and shaking my head. Staff has given him so many opportunities even going to back to last year, before the injury he was starting to work himself out of the rotation.
My best guess for them taking Nyiwe and going to push for waiver is because they are seeing they may not get much out of Toro and Roberts. And this was probably the best available option and best chance to get someone that can help at that position this year. Toro, Roberts, and Caraher have been the biggest disappoints so far this year, Roberts and Caraher looks like they have regressed, just don't look comfortable out there.
Also, on a side note, what's up with the Josh Roberts fan club on twitter? There's some guys on twitter after every game calling for more playing time for Roberts. Are these guys watching the same games as everyone else? He's averaging 2 points and 3 rebounds per game. Roberts has been given several opportunities to step up and just hasn't. They even moved him into the starting lineup for 2 games to get him going and still nothing.[/quote]
Did he quit though?
https://wreckemred.com/2020/09/04/texas-tech-basketball-strengths-weaknesses-2020-21-roster/
However, one name that fans won’t see on this roster is 2020 JUCO signee Esahia Nyiwe. The 6-foot-10 forward from Clarendon College was the odd man out when Tech had to trim one player from the roster to get down to the NCAA mandated limit of 13 scholarships.
*As for Josh Roberts- whenever a kid seems to have a parents or relative who is active on social media- SJU fans seem to gravitate to them and watch their games with a certain pair of red glasses.[/quote]
Ah ok, thanks for the link. Looks like Texas Tech over recruited, and he was the last man out. I don't like when coaches do that to kids, it's shady IMO, that's one thing I respect about CMA he's not going to hang a kid out to dry like that, if he takes his commitment he's got a spot for him. Going to be interesting to see what Nyiwe can do, he has a nice skillset.
And as far as Roberts, I noticed the same thing that he has a relative that is a diehard fan of his and tweets often. I'm just reading the tweets calling for more playing time for him and shaking my head. Staff has given him so many opportunities even going to back to last year, before the injury he was starting to work himself out of the rotation.
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.
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MakingPlays
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.
[quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
https://redmen.com/forum/redmentalk/276084-toro-profile.html#401776
There seemed to have been far more comments on this thread before, but maybe there was another thread.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
https://redmen.com/forum/redmentalk/276084-toro-profile.html#401776
There seemed to have been far more comments on this thread before, but maybe there was another thread.
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[quote="Making Plays" post=406082][quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=406084][quote="Making Plays" post=406082][quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.
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[quote="MJDinkins" post=406087][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406084][quote="Making Plays" post=406082][quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I don't either. I thought he'd start. And I was hoping for 6-7 rpg if he was healthy, since I didn't think the competition from the A-10 to the Big East was going to be that great of a leap for him. But I don't remember anyone actually posting predictions, and the board seemed torn on whether he'd start.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I don't either. I thought he'd start. And I was hoping for 6-7 rpg if he was healthy, since I didn't think the competition from the A-10 to the Big East was going to be that great of a leap for him. But I don't remember anyone actually posting predictions, and the board seemed torn on whether he'd start.
[quote="MJDinkins" post=406087][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406084][quote="Making Plays" post=406082][quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I too do not recall any great hype for Toro. We had Roberts who took a big step up from his freshman to sophomore seasons and everyone hoped it would continue. But we also knew he was coming off of an injury. No one expected Roberts to play 35 minutes a game. We also knew Moore was not a 5. Perhaps a stretch 4 with a few minutes in the post. Therefore the signing of a grad transfer who had occasionally put up great rebounding numbers ( 2 games of over 20 ) was a very encouraging sign, but I doubt anyone expected Toro to be the post saviour we have all been dreaming of. He was just another piece at a position we needed help at.
At present he is the player I am most disappointed in as I thought he would have contributed a little more to date, being a fifth year senior but hopefully things start to fall into place for Toro sooner than later. 15 solid minutes a game from him will be needed this season.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I too do not recall any great hype for Toro. We had Roberts who took a big step up from his freshman to sophomore seasons and everyone hoped it would continue. But we also knew he was coming off of an injury. No one expected Roberts to play 35 minutes a game. We also knew Moore was not a 5. Perhaps a stretch 4 with a few minutes in the post. Therefore the signing of a grad transfer who had occasionally put up great rebounding numbers ( 2 games of over 20 ) was a very encouraging sign, but I doubt anyone expected Toro to be the post saviour we have all been dreaming of. He was just another piece at a position we needed help at.
At present he is the player I am most disappointed in as I thought he would have contributed a little more to date, being a fifth year senior but hopefully things start to fall into place for Toro sooner than later. 15 solid minutes a game from him will be needed this season.
[quote="MJDinkins" post=406087][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406084][quote="Making Plays" post=406082][quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I think what it was is people were excited enough to pencil him in as an immediate starter from day one. Expecting he would give a starters level of contribution.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I think what it was is people were excited enough to pencil him in as an immediate starter from day one. Expecting he would give a starters level of contribution.
CMA not infallible, but seems to have keen eye for talent and incorporates new players well. He was high on Toro addition, so it may be prudent to judge his fit in a larger sample. That said, it is quite fair to have concerns re him fitting in to this uptempo game and anemic rebounding to date. Is he really this bad or can he help? I hope it is the former, but his minutes will shed light on that.
[quote="Paultzman" post=406103]CMA not infallible, but seems to have keen eye for talent and incorporates new players well. He was high on Toro addition, so it may be prudent to judge his fit in a larger sample. That said, it is quite fair to have concerns re him fitting in to this uptempo game and anemic rebounding to date. Is he really this bad or can he help? I hope it is the former, but his minutes will shed light on that.[/quote]
All I expected was for him to fight inside and eat up rebounds, grab some putbacks. He’s not winning those battles thus far and not quite the ball-vacuum I was hoping for. I’ll give him time though. Maybe just feeling our system out a bit and working out the kinks.
All I expected was for him to fight inside and eat up rebounds, grab some putbacks. He’s not winning those battles thus far and not quite the ball-vacuum I was hoping for. I’ll give him time though. Maybe just feeling our system out a bit and working out the kinks.
[quote="Room112" post=406092][quote="MJDinkins" post=406087][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406084][quote="Making Plays" post=406082][quote="MJDinkins" post=406081][quote="EliteBaller K" post=406079]
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I think what it was is people were excited enough to pencil him in as an immediate starter from day one. Expecting he would give a starters level of contribution.[/quote]
I agree, that's what most people expected since we had no one else. Except he wasn't a consistent starter on a very bad mid-major, so expectations should have been tempered. And while the word "hype", is a relative one, IMO there was plenty of excitement (aka hype) around his commitment by many posters on this board.
QB I thought Toro was going to be our starter with way everyone was hyping him, but he practically has given us nothing, Roberts isn't a starter, so who else is there? So I guess by default Moore is our starting big.
Hope this kid is Moore's competition.[/quote]
Who was all the people that was "hyping" Toro? I don't recall too many people doing such a thing.[/quote]
There was hype for Toro, he was mentioned during the early practices/workouts by CMA as being one of the newcomers that had been impressing him the most, also Champaigne said he was the newcomer that impressed him the most at Big East Media Day. And Jon Rothstein said he was looking good at practice and he would be a glue guy for the team.
I think up to this point it's pretty obvious that Toro has been good at practice, that's why CMA has been giving him more minutes than Roberts, it just hasn't turned into much in the games. And I don't think Toro has necessarily played bad, he just hasn't done anything of note, he's just out there, same thing with Roberts, I really can't say Roberts has done anything bad, he's just hasn't really done anything to stand out either. If you're on the court you gotta be doing something. Just look at Wusu for example, he's not scoring a lot, but he's touching a lot of balls on defense, he's playing hard, he's attacking the rim when he gets the opportunity, and he's making open shots.[/quote]
I love when there were players hyped then someone says something about the hype, then someone say oh what are you talking about, there wasn't much hype.[/quote]
I still don't recall it being a whole lot of hype. Obviously, my definition of "hype" differs from quite a few. Speaking positively about a player from a handful of people doesn't constitute hype IMO.[/quote]
I think what it was is people were excited enough to pencil him in as an immediate starter from day one. Expecting he would give a starters level of contribution.[/quote]
I agree, that's what most people expected since we had no one else. Except he wasn't a consistent starter on a very bad mid-major, so expectations should have been tempered. And while the word "hype", is a relative one, IMO there was plenty of excitement (aka hype) around his commitment by many posters on this board.
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[quote="Paultzman" post=406103]CMA not infallible, but seems to have keen eye for talent and incorporates new players well. He was high on Toro addition, so it may be prudent to judge his fit in a larger sample. That said, it is quite fair to have concerns re him fitting in to this uptempo game and anemic rebounding to date. Is he really this bad or can he help? I hope it is the former, but his minutes will shed light on that.[/quote]
Is there any way - mentioned before by other posters - to limit or modify the "quote" button so we do not have a new post that carries many other posts - annoying/distracting when I need to scroll down and down just to get to the most recent post
e.g. Monte's latest post above has about 5 prior post connected to what Monte has written
Not sure if I am making myself clear.
Thanks.
Is there any way - mentioned before by other posters - to limit or modify the "quote" button so we do not have a new post that carries many other posts - annoying/distracting when I need to scroll down and down just to get to the most recent post
e.g. Monte's latest post above has about 5 prior post connected to what Monte has written
Not sure if I am making myself clear.
Thanks.
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Is there any way - mentioned before by other posters - to limit or modify the "quote" button so we do not have a new post that carries many other posts - annoying/distracting when I need to scroll down and down just to get to the most recent post
e.g. Monte's latest post above has about 5 prior post connected to what Monte has written
Not sure if I am making myself clear.
Thanks.[/quote]
Did this work? I used the "quote" function, deleted all the posts above your last post, and then hit "submit"
e.g. Monte's latest post above has about 5 prior post connected to what Monte has written
Not sure if I am making myself clear.
Thanks.[/quote]
Did this work? I used the "quote" function, deleted all the posts above your last post, and then hit "submit"