SJU Transfer Targets/Possibilities

[boo haarvey]

Before everybody gets too excited, is Jamie Shaw a reputable source?  Guy has close to 1,000 followers.

Yes according to local hoops guy I spoke to

Awesome!

 

[capmaker]

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/Jose-Alvarado-89657/
 

 

[Moose]

Hate to jump the gun. But if it's Alvarado, CMA and staff have to close on this. System fits a guy like him perfectly. Plenty of opportunities to grab steals and run an up-tempo offense. My mouth is watering at the thought of having our backcourt comprised of the reigning Big East AND ACC DPOYs. There's no reason for SJU to let this one slip.

You honestly feel that staff was not aware of the rumor out there for weeks and is not prepared for best shot? I am sure they are. Let’s get confirmation Jose is entering portal and go from there.

No. I know they are prepared. Not sure where in my post I questioned that. I was simply reinforcing a point. But forget Riley, Cuffe, Curbelo, Richmond, etc. Alvarado will be the biggest possible SJU recruit during CMA's current tenure if he enters the portal. Similar to Whitehead and Brisco during the Lavin days.

If we truly want to ascend to the next level, this needs to happen. This is not an exaggeration. It's really that simple.

A 5th year Senior is the most important player of CMA's tenure?  

I like Alvarado and want him here but I can't go that far.  If he comes the team better win next year because they will be losing A TON next year with the real seniors and super seniors.

I happen to think multi year core players are more important recruits personally.

Can you name a higher rated, more regarded recruit than Alvarado that SJU has a legit shot with? You really think it's a stretch to say this the most important get for CMA so far during his tenure? Unless of course you saw foresaw the tremendous success of Posh and Julian as a frosh and sophomore. Of course it's more important to recruit multi year players, no one ever argued that. SJU needs to close on guys like Alvarado before thinking about landing top HS recruits. 

I know what you mean. I want Alvarado here.  Hell I wanted him in 2017.  You and I both know priority 1 is Julian back.  But yes a player of Alvarado's caliber could put SJU in a Top 3 BE position that you hope leads to tournament and win(s) and then translating into strong '22 class.  

I was high on Posh and thought Posh would be the Pied Piper type recruit.  As you mentioned we lost out on other highly ranked kids. The game has changed.  Right now there is lots of talent out there and anyone knows you win with experience so '22 kids are so far in the rearview right now and even '21 kids.  The transfer chess pieces are what teams are being forced to build from.  Not diminishing his importance at all and hope he comes and helps put us over the top so we can get '22 kids on board and build out the program the way you me CMA and everyone wants.

 

[Double J]

Paultzman post=432774

If Alvarado gets out of the draft and goes in the portal trust me there is one school he is really interested in.

Been clear 

Just wondering, say he's only interested in one school now (presumably us), why wasn't that the case in 2017? I seem to remember many seeing him as a Rutgers lean before he went to GT. Was it just a case of lack of interest from the previous staff? I know we had a very guard heavy roster back then but obviously in hindsight it would have been very nice to have had him from the beginning. 

 

[JohnnyFan]

Paultzman post=432774

If Alvarado gets out of the draft and goes in the portal trust me there is one school he is really interested in.

Been clear 

Just wondering, say he's only interested in one school now (presumably us), why wasn't that the case in 2017? I seem to remember many seeing him as a Rutgers lean before he went to GT. Was it just a case of lack of interest from the previous staff? I know we had a very guard heavy roster back then but obviously in hindsight it would have been very nice to have had him from the beginning. 

The scenario I recall is that Mullin and staff backed off Alvarado some time before the end of his recruitment.  His final schools included Rutgers, Seton Hall, GT and VCU (I think).  Rutgers was thought to be the favorite, but he surprisingly sprung for GT.
 

 

[MJDinkins]

Before everybody gets too excited, is Jamie Shaw a reputable source?  Guy has close to 1,000 followers.

Yes according to local hoops guy I spoke to. Sense this situation will be clearer soon re entering portal.

Yep, he's certainly a reputable guy.  A couple of basketball coaches I've known for years knows Jamie Shaw and can vouch for that as well. 

 

[SJU85]

Paultzman post=432774

If Alvarado gets out of the draft and goes in the portal trust me there is one school he is really interested in.

Been clear 

Just wondering, say he's only interested in one school now (presumably us), why wasn't that the case in 2017? I seem to remember many seeing him as a Rutgers lean before he went to GT. Was it just a case of lack of interest from the previous staff? I know we had a very guard heavy roster back then but obviously in hindsight it would have been very nice to have had him from the beginning. 

The scenario I recall is that Mullin and staff backed off Alvarado some time before the end of his recruitment.  His final schools included Rutgers, Seton Hall, GT and VCU (I think).  Rutgers was thought to be the favorite, but he surprisingly sprung for GT.

 

We might have backed off recruiting him at the time based on the fact that as a freshman, his backcourt teammates were scheduled to be Shamorie Ponds, Marcus Lovett and Justin Simon  (a true sophomore and two redshirt sophomores), along with Malik Ellison, a Junior.  Of course Ellison wound up transferring out prior to his junior year, Bryan Trimble wound up coming as a recruit along with Mikey Dixon, who sat out that year and only played the 1st semester of the following year before transferring out. 

Of course we also might have backed out due to the toxic or non existent relationship we had with Alvarado's High School coach, the staff didn't think he was good enough, or didn't want another "small" guard.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Just for fun 

17 ACC games last year 
14.4 pts 
3.6 rebs
4.2 ast
3.1 stls 
2:1 A:TO ratio

53% fg
61% 2fg
40% 3fg
87% ft

 

[JohnnyFan]

Just for fun 

17 ACC games last year 
14.4 pts 
3.6 rebs
4.2 ast
3.1 stls 
2:1 A:TO ratio

53% fg
61% 2fg
40% 3fg
87% ft

Definitely the real deal.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Just for fun 

17 ACC games last year 
14.4 pts 
3.6 rebs
4.2 ast
3.1 stls 
2:1 A:TO ratio

53% fg
61% 2fg
40% 3fg
87% ft

Definitely the real deal.

He brings everything that Dunn brought to the table, and without slighting him, much more efficiently. Those %s for a point guard asked to do all of that are unreal.

 

[MCNPA]

Just for fun 

17 ACC games last year 
14.4 pts 
3.6 rebs
4.2 ast
3.1 stls 
2:1 A:TO ratio

53% fg
61% 2fg
40% 3fg
87% ft

Definitely the real deal.

He brings everything that Dunn brought to the table, and without slighting him, much more efficiently. Those %s for a point guard asked to do all of that are unreal.

I don’t want to get too excited about it, but it would be incredible.  He was also a second team All ACC player and their defensive POY last year.  If by some miracle we landed him, we’d have the returning Big East and ACC defensive POY’s here.  And Alvarado can’t be compared to Dunn.  Alvarado is an excellent shooter at all levels.  We basically ran two PG’s here last year so I don’t think it should be any deterrent but never know.  Like I said though, don’t wanna get too excited about this one just yet. 
 

 

[Redzing1969]

Just for fun 

17 ACC games last year 
14.4 pts 
3.6 rebs
4.2 ast
3.1 stls 
2:1 A:TO ratio

53% fg
61% 2fg
40% 3fg
87% ft

Unreal numbers, efficiency extraordinaire, 3.1 steals PG better than Posh and probably top 5 nationally!
Definitely the real deal.

He brings everything that Dunn brought to the table, and without slighting him, much more efficiently. Those %s for a point guard asked to do all of that are unreal.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

MCNPA- “And Alvarado can’t be compared to Dunn.  Alvarado is an excellent shooter at all levels.  We basically ran two PG’s here last year so I don’t think it should be any deterrent but never know”

Your second point is why I brought up Dunn. Talent wise, there is no comparison. 

 

[MainMan]

I was just searching for Jose Alvarado news on Twitter and came across this 2018 tweet from Zach.

Yeesh. 


Zach Braziller
@NYPost_Brazille
Nov 30, 2018
Caught up with Georgia Tech's Jose Alvarado, local guy from Christ the King: “[St. John’s] recruited me and then they didn’t want me. It’s a business. I didn’t take it personal. I don’t have anything to prove to them. They know how good I am.” #sjubb

https://twitter.com/NYPost_Brazille/status/1068647909833490432?s=20

 

[Andrew]

This is Alvarado as a fifth year player. His experience and talent are off the charts. One can only hope.

 

[lawmanfan]

I generally agree with Moose that - at least historically - the key to program-building has been to develop a pipeline of rotation players who you can develop over 2, 3, 4 years so that there is always someone in the program who can step up when the upperclassmen leave.  In that world, transfers and JUCOs are fine as plug-ins when needed, and can make a real difference in a team that already has most of its players in-house.

And I've been somewhat vocal on this board that people should put less value on a recruit's star rankings because a good staff with an eye for talent and the ability to develop that talent can get you pretty far regardless of the "stars" - they can come along later.

BUT - having said that, I just don't know if we live in that world anymore.  The new normal may be a lot more roster turnover than we've been used to (well that college basketball in general has been used to), and it's going to affect the way you build your team.  It's going to be harder and harder to hold onto the talent you're trying to develop, and easier and easier to acquire talent that someone else was developing.

In addition, from a SJU standpoint it is really important to keep forward progress going and to take a big step forward if possible.  That would immensely boost the chances of the program thriving in what's likely to be a "rich get richer and poor get poorer world."  In that landscape, you need to position yourself as one of the rich to attract players.

I don't get bogged down in "most important recruit ever" or whatnot, but WRT Alvarado there's no question that he's a guy who would be a real difference-maker and would put SJU in the conversation for top-3 in the league.  And if you have an opportunity to do that, you do it.  It's true it would give us 4 or 5 likely departures next year, but if all goes well the 3 freshmen this year will be ready to fill some of that gap, there will be more freshmen behind them - and the transfer portal will still be there and maybe even more fruitful if it involves coming to a good and rising program, which Alvarado would most certainly help us be.

 

[paultzman]

I generally agree with Moose that - at least historically - the key to program-building has been to develop a pipeline of rotation players who you can develop over 2, 3, 4 years so that there is always someone in the program who can step up when the upperclassmen leave.  In that world, transfers and JUCOs are fine as plug-ins when needed, and can make a real difference in a team that already has most of its players in-house.

And I've been somewhat vocal on this board that people should put less value on a recruit's star rankings because a good staff with an eye for talent and the ability to develop that talent can get you pretty far regardless of the "stars" - they can come along later.

BUT - having said that, I just don't know if we live in that world anymore.  The new normal may be a lot more roster turnover than we've been used to (well that college basketball in general has been used to), and it's going to affect the way you build your team.  It's going to be harder and harder to hold onto the talent you're trying to develop, and easier and easier to acquire talent that someone else was developing.

In addition, from a SJU standpoint it is really important to keep forward progress going and to take a big step forward if possible.  That would immensely boost the chances of the program thriving in what's likely to be a "rich get richer and poor get poorer world."  In that landscape, you need to position yourself as one of the rich to attract players.

I don't get bogged down in "most important recruit ever" or whatnot, but WRT Alvarado there's no question that he's a guy who would be a real difference-maker and would put SJU in the conversation for top-3 in the league.  And if you have an opportunity to do that, you do it.  It's true it would give us 4 or 5 likely departures next year, but if all goes well the 3 freshmen this year will be ready to fill some of that gap, there will be more freshmen behind them - and the transfer portal will still be there and maybe even more fruitful if it involves coming to a good and rising program, which Alvarado would most certainly help us be.

The world we live in for sure, well stated & agree on all points

 

[paultzman]

Re Alvarado initial recruitment here compared to today, it is clear that the relationship with Arbitello/Christ the King is light years better than previous regime for whatever reason. Arbitello remains very involved with Jose’s current situation and his expressed respect for CMA is a plus for Johnnies. If he enters portal, as I have indicated over past several weeks, you have to like our chances. Should be an interesting week.

 

[prjohnnies]

Beyond respect Re: the CTK coach. I’m not in Twitter but will sometimes read a Zach or SJU basketball related thread. Numerous times throughout the year he seemingly went out of his way to praise CMA, Van and TJ on player development, culture, coaching and as people. And several of our players especially the NY kids. 

 

[capmaker]

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