SJU Transfer Targets/Possibilities

SJUFAN2 post=432170 said:
SJU85 post=432161 said:
Everyone makes all of their shots on their highlight videos and tapes.  That’s  why they are called “highlights”.

The statement was “Pinzon is a very good shooter.”  My response was to that and currently he is not.  I did not say he can’t develop into one.
Yes.  Not Elite.  Not Great.  Just "Very good".  
Not sure what games you saw when he was 16 but maybe you got him on a bad day or two.  And I don't want to get into a debate about what the definition of "very good" is but some of his numbers last year internationally are elite, not even just very good.   For me, anything near 50% is elite.  Anything in the 45% range is great.   Anything in the 40% area is very good.   Anything in the 35% range is good.   I've seen enough of him to consider him "very good".
But you seem to feel strongly about it, so to each his own.  We'll put you in the 'Pinzon can't shoot' column.  At least for the time being.

http://www.fiba.basketball/u17centrobasket/2019/player/Rafael-Pinzon


 


i saw him play multiple times as a junior and his jump shot needs work.  Even the scouts who think highly of him will tell you that as well as others I know who have seen him more than I.Yes he had a very good game and hit a nice jumper against LeBron’s James son’s highly ranked team last year but that was also the only shot he hit.  Could he have improved as a Senior, maybe and I hope so.  Will he improve more when he gets here, sure I hope so as you do with any incoming freshman, none of whom are a finished project.  I think he will be a nice player for us who will be able to play the wing positions and keep his teammates involved, one who knows how and what it takes to win, who will be a good teammate and not be one upset at taking a back seat to a star or someone who is hot, but labeling him a shooter at this point is premature.

Edit 6 for 12 as the link you provided showed is very nice, but is a small sample size.

Hey I hope he does come in and becomes a lights out shooter.  Would love to have a few of those.  
 
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I've been critical of this staff's ability to close on recruits but it's been the opposite this transfer cycle thus far.  They've zeroed in on targets and closed the deal quickly.  Very impressive work.  Roster is suddenly deep and experienced.  Excited to see what we do with last couple of spots and crossing fingers on JC.  New transfer rule has turned out to be a blessing.
 
Just talking about this the other day. New rules totally benefit SJU. Tri-State has so much talent. Talent we've lost out in past. Now, with new rules, players can go to wherever, play a year, get homesick, and BAM!! Its important to do two things: Have a good recruiting relationship while recruiting them in HS, and maintain a strong competitive team that players will want to come home and play for. With our current staff and style of play, now with new rules, this all bodes well for us.
 
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I agree that a combo guard with shooting ability is next item on menu, but it is not illogical  to assume freshmen like Posh and Dylan could evidence modest improvement in that respect. Hard workers like them know what to work on in offseason. They may never be sharpshooters, but  even modest improvement helps the bottom line and keeps opponents more honest defensively.
 
Paultzman post=432274 said:
I agree that a combo guard with shooting ability is next item on menu, but it is not illogical  to assume freshmen like Posh and Dylan could evidence modest improvement in that respect. Hard workers like them know what to work on in offseason. They may never be sharpshooters, but  even modest improvement helps the bottom line and keeps opponents more honest defensively.


Fair point.  Further, the perimeter play could get a lift from our new found inside presence.
 
Don’t forget Stef Smith is a very good outside shooter.  Need more for sure. 
 
Making Plays post=432052 said:
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NCJohnnie post=432014 said:
Sorry, but numbers mean something and Mathis' 3 year numbers are not impressive, including the fact that he has never managed to earn more than 23 mpg for Rutgers, not exactly a national powerhouse. He has never shot 40% overall, 30% from 3 or 70% from the free throw line which frankly speaks for itself. I don't care how good his defense is, he would not be an upgrade from Greg. Good to be realistic as opposed to pollyanish.2821.238.329.757.42.80.80.30.72.41.18.33122.638.329.766.13.51.20.11.01.91.07.43122.937.623.955.62.91.10.20.71.81.38.5Good to be realistic 

There's a kid named Manuale Watkins, who started on a 26 win CMA team (that team won a tournament game), going into his senior season he averaged 2.2 PPG, Shot 0% from 3 (yes that's correct), and 47% from the free throw line in 20 MPG.  When he checked out you noticed the difference, he was the leader of that defense and they were really good on defense when he was in the game and it made a world of difference, he is an all time fan favorite now, and  now does some broadcasting for the Razorbacks.  So, before you guys are so quick to dismiss defensive players and say you don't care how good their defense is do some research on the impact defensive minded guys can make on a team, you don't have to every guard on your team shooting 40% from 3 to be a good team.  And to finish Manuale's story, he ended up working on his game going into his senior season, and went from a 0% 3 point shooter to a 46% 3 point shooter (small sample size) but nonetheless that just shows you can't dismiss a player because his shooting numbers aren't great, if he does other things really well.

[URL]https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/manuale-watkins-1.html[/URL]

Making plays, he was a career 53% fg shooter. Mathis is at 38% through 3 years. Not dismissing your post as not having merit, but you put too many non shooters around posh and I think it really limits his potential.  Also worth noting, Watkins has a career 2:1 Assist:To ration while Mathis’ is negative. Not remembering him play, was he more of a PG or a SG? Cause one position usually needs to shoot it better than the other. Mathis is definitely not a pg. 

You can NEVER have too many guys who can shoot the ball. On the contrary, if you have two guys who can’t, that might be one too many. JMHO

I love CMA, he’s got my full support. Was there ever a time you followed him where you thought his players lack of shooting cost you a good season?
He averaged 2.2 PPG lol.  He didn't shoot the ball at all.  He was nonexistent on offense and made a huge impact on the game.  That's my whole point,  everybody is getting caught up in the "Oh he can't shoot" you don't have to all 5 scorers on the court to be a successful team, that's why there are role players.

You figure Posh, Smith, Champ, and Soriano are starters.  All 4 of those guys are double digit scorers.  Smith and Champ are probably going to be close to 40% 3 point shooters, Posh from the end of the season looks like he's going to be a mid 30's 3 point shooter, so you have shooters on the court, you don't have to have 5 three point specialist on the court to be a good, last year is a good example, the starting lineup for most of the first part of the year was Posh, Williams, Cole, Champ, and Moore.  All 5 guys could shoot the 3 ball, and they didn't make the tournament their struggles were on the defensive end, obviously the staff noticed that and going out to make improvements on that end.  You add a guy like Mathias to the lineup that comes in with a defensive mindset, that's more than fine, I'm pretty sure their recruiting pitch to him is to come in and be a defensive guy, not a double digit scorer.  If he takes 5 shots a game and misses all 5 of those shots, but he is key in stopping 6 shots on the the defensive end, that's a net positive to what he brings to the table.  

And to answer your other question no, his teams can always score, that's never been an issue, his teams are always going to averaged 75+ PPG, just by the way the play and getting so many possessions.  The seasons where he didn't make the tournament have either been rebuilding years, or years where he didn't have any depth and they struggled playing good defensively for 40 minutes.


For example, people loved Roberts but brought nothing. It was said that defense was better when he was in.
 
As a junior hit 113 threes.  Seems to shoot about 36% but takes a lot of threes.  
 
Paultzman post=432304 said:
Grad transfer, combo guard, Jaylen Minnett followed by TJ

https://twitter.com/allaccess_net/status/1383779539524800516?s=21

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Two observations/comments regarding Minnett. First, Seems like a Poor mans Alvarado to me which is not to say that’s a bad thing. But, if we sign this kid then I would assume Alvarado is not coming. Secondly , when you watch these videos of kids they all look like superstars. Whether they’re playing against subpar competition, all dunks and layups or wide open shots. The thing that impressed me in that video is that every shot he hit , he hit with a hand in his face or fading away etc. they were not just layups , dunks and wide open shots. That’s shows you something. If Alvarado isn’t coming , this kid might be a good alternative.
 
Mean Gene post=432307 said:
Paultzman post=432304 said:
Grad transfer, combo guard, Jaylen Minnett followed by TJ

https://twitter.com/allaccess_net/status/1383779539524800516?s=21

=youtu.be



Two observations/comments regarding Minnett. First, Seems like a Poor mans Alvarado to me which is not to say that’s a bad thing. But, if we sign this kid then I would assume Alvarado is not coming. Secondly , when you watch these videos of kids they all look like superstars. Whether they’re playing against subpar competition, all dunks and layups or wide open shots. The thing that impressed me in that video is that every shot he hit , he hit with a hand in his face or fading away etc. they were not just layups , dunks and wide open shots. That’s shows you something. If Alvarado isn’t coming , this kid might be a good alternative.

Tough shot maker.
 
Mean Gene post=432307 said:
Paultzman post=432304 said:
Grad transfer, combo guard, Jaylen Minnett followed by TJ

https://twitter.com/allaccess_net/status/1383779539524800516?s=21

=youtu.be



Two observations/comments regarding Minnett. First, Seems like a Poor mans Alvarado to me which is not to say that’s a bad thing. But, if we sign this kid then I would assume Alvarado is not coming. Secondly , when you watch these videos of kids they all look like superstars. Whether they’re playing against subpar competition, all dunks and layups or wide open shots. The thing that impressed me in that video is that every shot he hit , he hit with a hand in his face or fading away etc. they were not just layups , dunks and wide open shots. That’s shows you something. If Alvarado isn’t coming , this kid might be a good alternative.

All step back jumpers which is a tough shot and reflects defensive pressure he’d be up against all the time!
 
 
Fred Solomon post=432337 said:
Mean Gene post=432307 said:
Paultzman post=432304 said:
Grad transfer, combo guard, Jaylen Minnett followed by TJ

https://twitter.com/allaccess_net/status/1383779539524800516?s=21

=youtu.be



Two observations/comments regarding Minnett. First, Seems like a Poor mans Alvarado to me which is not to say that’s a bad thing. But, if we sign this kid then I would assume Alvarado is not coming. Secondly , when you watch these videos of kids they all look like superstars. Whether they’re playing against subpar competition, all dunks and layups or wide open shots. The thing that impressed me in that video is that every shot he hit , he hit with a hand in his face or fading away etc. they were not just layups , dunks and wide open shots. That’s shows you something. If Alvarado isn’t coming , this kid might be a good alternative.

All step back jumpers which is a tough shot and reflects defensive pressure he’d be up against all the time!

Not a great assist to turnover ratio and a pretty low three point percentage at a low major.   Clearly a high volume shooter capable of making tough shots.  We saw  his highlights, but looks like he might be a chucker.  


 
 
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I will caution fans that our last 2 ships very well could be role-players.  We aren’t going to land all studs as there will be no PT for any of them.  
 
MCNPA post=432341 said:
I will caution fans that our last 2 ships very well could be role-players.  We aren’t going to land all studs as there will be no PT for any of them.  

Really, who other then Posh and Champagnie is so good  that a stud would be deterred from coming? You may  be right that we aren’t going to land  any studs, but lack of PT ain’t the reason.

 
 
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