SJU Transfer Targets/Possibilities

[Mullins Revenge]

Nice get w mathis.  2 schollys left.  Lets get alvarado and justin champy and call it a day.

 

[paultzman]

Now give me either a knockdown shooter or Jose Alvarado, along with the return of Champagnie, and we'll be cooking with gas.  

If we add Alvarado to the backcourt of Posh and Mathis, then you're potentially looking at one scary backcourt.  Big East backcourts will have their hands full!  

Add Jacob Young to your Alvarado comment Dink, another guard in NBA process, but hiring approved NCAA agent enabling a return to college. Both warriors and maybe they leave a spot open on roster. That said a good shooting combo guard appears soon,  have to grab him imo. Kudos to Anderson accomplishing a lot filling roster under pressure!

 

[SJU85]

I don't think many on here are saying don't bring in Mathis, who is good defensively and fits coach's style, people are just pointing out that he has demonstrated over three years he is not a particularly good shooter and we still need a couple of those. 
Three of our four leading three points shooters have left and the fourth is testing the draft waters; we have only brought in one guy so far (Smith) who has demonstrated consistent outside shooting ability. I have faith we will add at least one more proven shooter in time so not criticizing staff in any way. 

Pinzon is a very good shooter. 

Based on what evidence?  The scouting reports will tell you that is an area he has to work on.

Wonder what the scouting reports said about Earlington or Champagnie.  Did anyone project them as outside threats?

They sure did develop year over year. 

Pinzon sure looks promising on his youtube highlights where every shot is make.

 

Everyone makes all of their shots on their highlight videos and tapes.  That’s  why they are called “highlights”.

The statement was “Pinzon is a very good shooter.”  My response was to that and currently he is not.  I did not say he can’t develop into one.

 

[SJUFAN2]

Everyone makes all of their shots on their highlight videos and tapes.  That’s  why they are called “highlights”.

The statement was “Pinzon is a very good shooter.”  My response was to that and currently he is not.  I did not say he can’t develop into one.

Yes.  Not Elite.  Not Great.  Just "Very good".  
Not sure what games you saw when he was 16 but maybe you got him on a bad day or two.  And I don't want to get into a debate about what the definition of "very good" is but some of his numbers last year internationally are elite, not even just very good.   For me, anything near 50% is elite.  Anything in the 45% range is great.   Anything in the 40% area is very good.   Anything in the 35% range is good.   I've seen enough of him to consider him "very good".
But you seem to feel strongly about it, so to each his own.  We'll put you in the 'Pinzon can't shoot' column.  At least for the time being.

http://www.fiba.basketball/u17centrobasket/2019/player/Rafael-Pinzon
 

 

[JohnnyFan]

I think you nailed it with that.  I don't see how anybody can be against adding a guy that will overall improve your teams defense.  These days everybody just goes straight to looking at 3 point %.  You can be the worst defender in the world and average 3 turnovers a game, but if guys see 40% by that 3 point %, they are going to be like I want that guy.

You’re last point makes it really easy to have a reasonable discussion with you . Hyperbole much?

Maybe a little but he ain't wrong. It's easy for fans to look at stats, but the impact of size and defense is hard to measure and as a result gets vastly overlooked. Except when you eatch your team get manhandled by a bigger more physical opponent.

There hasn’t been a single post even close to suggesting someone would be fine adding an awful defender who turns the ball over just cause he can shoot. We are talking about reasonable differences between players and style.

The last part was a joke making fun of how people these days really just care about 3 point %.  And I'm not just saying here, Since the Steph Curry era, a lot of fans at every level just go to looking at that 3 point percentage, and that's all they focus on.  People tend to forget defensive specialist help teams win as well... just look at Draymond Green, dude is one of the worst shooters in the league and he was a very important part in Golden State's success, a really good defender can make a huge difference on a team.

MP.....It's not just that Mathis hasn't shot the three ball well.  His overall field goal percentage and free throw numbers are also well below average.  This idea that his reduction in minutes was a mystery is hard to square.  I am sure the player that took his minutes was sufficient on defense and more efficient on the offensive end (more well-rounded)

In any event, he's here now and time will tell. Hope he is a big contributor and also hope we land another player. 

 

[prjohnnies]

This beats waiting on Eli Wright

Be careful, a certain creator/moderator on another SJU fan board is going to get very very upset with you.....
 

 

[MJDinkins]

Now give me either a knockdown shooter or Jose Alvarado, along with the return of Champagnie, and we'll be cooking with gas.  

If we add Alvarado to the backcourt of Posh and Mathis, then you're potentially looking at one scary backcourt.  Big East backcourts will have their hands full!  

Add Jacob Young to your Alvarado comment Dink, another guard in NBA process, but hiring approved NCAA agent enabling a return to college. Both warriors and maybe they leave a spot open on roster. That said a good shooting combo guard appears soon,  have to grab him imo. Kudos to Anderson accomplishing a lot filling roster under pressure!

I'd have no problems whatsoever adding Jacob Young.  He's a tough son of a gun who plays fearlessly.  He also shoots the ball at a rather decent clip.  

If the staff is looking to add two additional guards, then sign me up for Young and Alvarado.  On paper, you'd be looking at a top 3 team in the conference.  

 

[Anthony Mattia]

We all loved Justin Simon.  There is a role for athletic,  kids who can defend and do a little of everything. I’d LOVE to add shooters as well now.  We have more ships to give!!


I have not seen MM play.  Is Justin Simon a legit comparison?
 

 

[JohnnyFan]

Now give me either a knockdown shooter or Jose Alvarado, along with the return of Champagnie, and we'll be cooking with gas.  

If we add Alvarado to the backcourt of Posh and Mathis, then you're potentially looking at one scary backcourt.  Big East backcourts will have their hands full!  

Add Jacob Young to your Alvarado comment Dink, another guard in NBA process, but hiring approved NCAA agent enabling a return to college. Both warriors and maybe they leave a spot open on roster. That said a good shooting combo guard appears soon,  have to grab him imo. Kudos to Anderson accomplishing a lot filling roster under pressure!

I'd have no problems whatsoever adding Jacob Young.  He's a tough son of a gun who plays fearlessly.  He also shoots the ball at a rather decent clip.  

If the staff is looking to add two additional guards, then sign me up for Young and Alvarado.  On paper, you'd be looking at a top 3 team in the conference.  

Okay, now Jacob Young I could get excited about.  

 

[MCNPA]

We all loved Justin Simon.  There is a role for athletic,  kids who can defend and do a little of everything. I’d LOVE to add shooters as well now.  We have more ships to give!!


I have not seen MM play.  Is Justin Simon a legit comparison?


No, I wouldn’t say a direct comparison.  Both are big guards though that are not particularly outside gunners.  That  said, both play great defense and can effect the game despite 3pt shooting.  Simon probably a better distributor.  Mathis is a far better shooter than Simon though and can actually really score.  He’s athletic and hard to stop driving to the basket. 

 

[JohnnyFan]

We all loved Justin Simon.  There is a role for athletic,  kids who can defend and do a little of everything. I’d LOVE to add shooters as well now.  We have more ships to give!!


I have not seen MM play.  Is Justin Simon a legit comparison?


No, I wouldn’t say a direct comparison.  Both are big guards though that are not particularly outside gunners.  That  said, both play great defense and can effect the game despite 3pt shooting.  Simon probably a better distributor.  Mathis is a far better shooter than Simon though and can actually really score.  He’s athletic and hard to stop driving to the basket. 

Justin Simon Junior Year
3PT  -  28.9%
FG    - 46.2%
FT     - 60.8%


Montez Mathis Junior Year
3PT  -  29.7%
FG    - 38.3%
FT     - 57.4%

 

 

[Andrew]

We all loved Justin Simon.  There is a role for athletic,  kids who can defend and do a little of everything. I’d LOVE to add shooters as well now.  We have more ships to give!!


I have not seen MM play.  Is Justin Simon a legit comparison?


No, I wouldn’t say a direct comparison.  Both are big guards though that are not particularly outside gunners.  That  said, both play great defense and can effect the game despite 3pt shooting.  Simon probably a better distributor.  Mathis is a far better shooter than Simon though and can actually really score.  He’s athletic and hard to stop driving to the basket. 

Justin Simon Junior Year
3PT  -  28.9%
FG    - 46.2%
FT     - 60.8%


Montez Mathis Junior Year
3PT  -  29.7%
FG    - 38.3%
FT     - 57.4%

Simon also had 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2.5 steals and almost a block a game.

 

 

[MCNPA]

Justin took barely any threes.  Montez takes more and has had big games hitting from the outside.  My point was that both could do damage without that, especially defensively.

 

[NCJohnnie]

Andrew wrote:

Simon also had 7 rebounds, 5 assists, 2.5 steals and almost a block a game.

Not to mention winning BE defensive player of the year award his last year with us. If Mathis can be as impactful as Simon was for us, I'll be delighted with a capital D.

 

[prjohnnies]

I loved Simon.  Not a PG.  Not even a guard really because of his lack of shooting prowess.  But a good player and an incredibly useful player when surrounded by the right parts.  I wish he would have stayed one more year, because he would have been awesome in CMA's system.

 

[fordham96]

I still think they need to land a proven scorer type at this level to really make a jump. Whether that be Alvarado or someone similar along with Champagnie coming back. 

 

[JohnnyFan]

Justin took barely any threes.  Montez takes more and has had big games hitting from the outside.  My point was that both could do damage without that, especially defensively.

I don't think it's fair to expect Montez can be anything like Justin Simon who was a legit NBA player if he could shoot.  Mathis is not that. 

I know your point is more that Mathis can be a significant contributor on defense and that he is a legit Big East player.  I agree with that.  Most importantly, he is now a Johnny and I will root for him.  My point is that, as a fan, I was looking for this scholarship to be used on a different type of player. 

By the way, due to similarities, I do think Mathis take minutes from Wusu. 

 

[lawmanfan]

Not only would Justin Simon have been an NBA player if he could shoot, he's have been a star.  Not on was he a great kid and an absolute lockdown defender against any position, he could handle the ball, distribute, rebound and get to the rim.  It's an absolute crime that he had no jump shot.  Tragic.  

Then you have Sir Dom, who could also do it all but it took him a loooong time to figure out that he COULD do it all. Also tragic. 

Anyway it does seem that Montez and Wusu are similar types, but the way Coach A runs things they will both get plenty of run. 

Agree with Fordham that the team could use a little more firepower.  Otherwise it will be counting on development from Wusu or early contributions from Pinzon, most likely.  We seem to be much improved in terms of size and defense, but I still don't see a lot of great answers in the halfcourt offense, which was our weakness last year.  Tho I don't know what we will get from Soriano, Wheeler and Nyiwe who may create options in the halfcourt we didn't have last year. 

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Without Dunn and Williams, Wusu will probably be #2 in terms of facilitating responsibilities unless another primary ball handler is added. I don’t hate that as I think he’s more than capable as a passer. The ball handling vs pressure from everyone other than Posh worries me a bit though. Neither Mathis or Smith averaged as many assists as Williams, Dunn, or Wusu did this past season. Could mean a lot more responsibility for Posh in the half court. 

 

[MakingPlays]

Justin took barely any threes.  Montez takes more and has had big games hitting from the outside.  My point was that both could do damage without that, especially defensively.

I don't think it's fair to expect Montez can be anything like Justin Simon who was a legit NBA player if he could shoot.  Mathis is not that. 

I know your point is more that Mathis can be a significant contributor on defense and that he is a legit Big East player.  I agree with that.  Most importantly, he is now a Johnny and I will root for him.  My point is that, as a fan, I was looking for this scholarship to be used on a different type of player. 

By the way, due to similarities, I do think Mathis take minutes from Wusu. 

 

Wusu will probably play similar minutes 20-24 MPG.  I would imagine he's the team's 6th man this year and will sub in and out and both the 2 and 3 spot, CMA also used him at the 4 spot some in small ball lineups, may see some of that occasionally as well.