Mullins Revenge
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True or False: Starting with Caraher, St johns has had more kids leave the program this year then any other team in the nation.
I understand this is a bad look. I'm not trying to deny the optics of the day. If Posh/Champagnie/Wusu transfer or Pinzon decomitts then my concern level will be high. I just think these things are happening out of the blue to us but for a reason behind the scenes. It seemed pretty clear to me throughout the season that this was turning into the Julian & Posh show and that Wusu was very clearly being groomed for a large role sooner than later. Something was said, implied, felt that made these things happen. Because we didn't get a sense of turmoil between the players (who still seem supportive of one another) my intuition is telling me that this was initiated by the staff (not that these players were told to leave only that they're being informed the program is moving in a certain direction) I also think a Big East team that has a ton of minutes to give out yet already has Posh Alexander & Julian Champagnie (fingers crossed) will be much more enticing to transfers than we were a week ago. We'll see who they add. I loved the Stef Smith addition. Let's seeAmaseinyourface post=428869 said:QueensBall post=428862 said:I really liked Williams and Earlington. Wonderful SJU players who I appreciated. That being said...
Maybe I'm crazy but I don't see this as a disaster. I think this is more change (which like the coaching search is often painful in the short term) as the program continues to change identity. My gut says in a couple of months this board will be pleasantly surprised with the new roster. Not to imply that I wouldn't prefer keeping two major contributors that were upperclassman, it just feels like there are things happening we don't know about and just because those things made outgoing players unhappy/restless/whatever doesn't mean they're necessarily bad for the program.
We will have a roster, so yea we have that excitement in rebuilding it to look forward too. But what any transfer or recruit would be joining right now is hard to figure out.
I guess I just felt completely fine with the losses up until both of these guys. With them we had a 5 man group we could walk out tomorrow and play BE teams with. Without them, we could win any 3 on 3 tourney in NYC, not much else.
Not even close buddy. There's a school that has had 15 players in the portal this season lol. There's 74 schools that have at least 5 in the portal. And that's currently in the portal not committed, so very possible a lot of those schools had more in the portal but they already committed to another school.Duke of Earlington post=428918 said:True or False: Starting with Caraher, St johns has had more kids leave the program this year then any other team in the nation.
wow this is an absolute joke. The college basketball we all know and love is gone. This is how it is nowMaking Plays post=428997 said:Not even close buddy. There's a school that has had 15 players in the portal this season lol. There's 74 schools that have at least 5 in the portal. And that's currently in the portal not committed, so very possible a lot of those schools had more in the portal but they already committed to another school.Duke of Earlington post=428918 said:True or False: Starting with Caraher, St johns has had more kids leave the program this year then any other team in the nation.
https://twitter.com/ThatTonk/status/1375505981703036929/photo/1
Wasn't me... that's way too much work lol. Some guy on twitter, but his list isn't even updated and that's how many teams have lost players. 74 teams have lost at least 5 players, that's 22% of teams and the season isn't even over!kred post=429004 said:Have you finished compiling that list yet ?
QueensBall post=428927 said:I understand this is a bad look. I'm not trying to deny the optics of the day. If Posh/Champagnie/Wusu transfer or Pinzon decomitts then my concern level will be high. I just think these things are happening out of the blue to us but for a reason behind the scenes. It seemed pretty clear to me throughout the season that this was turning into the Julian & Posh show and that Wusu was very clearly being groomed for a large role sooner than later. Something was said, implied, felt that made these things happen. Because we didn't get a sense of turmoil between the players (who still seem supportive of one another) my intuition is telling me that this was initiated by the staff (not that these players were told to leave only that they're being informed the program is moving in a certain direction) I also think a Big East team that has a ton of minutes to give out yet already has Posh Alexander & Julian Champagnie (fingers crossed) will be much more enticing to transfers than we were a week ago. We'll see who they add. I loved the Stef Smith addition. Let's seeAmaseinyourface post=428869 said:QueensBall post=428862 said:I really liked Williams and Earlington. Wonderful SJU players who I appreciated. That being said...
Maybe I'm crazy but I don't see this as a disaster. I think this is more change (which like the coaching search is often painful in the short term) as the program continues to change identity. My gut says in a couple of months this board will be pleasantly surprised with the new roster. Not to imply that I wouldn't prefer keeping two major contributors that were upperclassman, it just feels like there are things happening we don't know about and just because those things made outgoing players unhappy/restless/whatever doesn't mean they're necessarily bad for the program.
We will have a roster, so yea we have that excitement in rebuilding it to look forward too. But what any transfer or recruit would be joining right now is hard to figure out.
I guess I just felt completely fine with the losses up until both of these guys. With them we had a 5 man group we could walk out tomorrow and play BE teams with. Without them, we could win any 3 on 3 tourney in NYC, not much else.
If true and this was orchestrated by the staff, the only reason for it I see is that they know that there are high quality Big East level NYC area kids who they know guys like Van and DeMeo can reel in out of the transfer portal. Guys who Posh, Julian, Wusu Pinzon and Traore know etc. I don’t see another reason for them doing this otherwise.
MCNPA post=429014 said:Hey, we have a starting spot for Kadary now...;-)
yes, that’s exactly the type of kid I’m talking about. Bring in him , Aiden and one other NYC kid from the portal and we’ll be fine as long as all the freshman show up and Champ comes back. But, I’m taking a show me approach to this because I don’t trust anything anymore when it comes to this program
Knight post=428836 said:Per Zach
There was a jealousy factor, I'm told, of the attention the New York guys received with certain players who have left St. John's. #sjubb
Unnamed sources knocking kids with rumor as they head out the door is a bad look. It reminds me of the Jeff Wilpon Mets. At least that was done with professionals.
MCNPA post=429024 said:Agree Gene. I wanna see it too, but we are two good transfers away from being better next year already, providing Champs comes back and I’m fairly certain he will.
From your mouth to Gods ears MCNPA. Fingers crossed. I hear ya buddy!