For two years, I have watched Anderson start from scratch in November. By February/March, the development of the teams was obvious and his teams started to gel. It would have been nice to start next season with a roster experienced in Anderson's system. Trading mediocre talent for mediocre talent every year may seem to be a wash, but it's not.
SJU Transfer Targets/Possibilities
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prjohnnies
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Noah Gurley,
Furman forward this season who averaged 15.4 points and 5.8 rebounds.
Add, Auburn, Xavier, Indiana, Marshall, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Georgia, St. John's, WF, TAMU, WKU, Marquette, Florida, and SDSU to the long list of schools that have reached out.
https://twitter.com/jakelieberman2/status/1376330956206841857?s=21
Furman forward this season who averaged 15.4 points and 5.8 rebounds.
Add, Auburn, Xavier, Indiana, Marshall, Vanderbilt, Arkansas, Georgia, St. John's, WF, TAMU, WKU, Marquette, Florida, and SDSU to the long list of schools that have reached out.
https://twitter.com/jakelieberman2/status/1376330956206841857?s=21
TheArtest15
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I don't think the problem is in the talent of the players that we are losing besides Moore. I think that most of us agree that the problem is as even Anderson states often that it takes a while to learn his system. Players come in form other schools and this is a totally foreign and not easy to learn system like most other schools play. I believe that Anderson really benefits from teams that are heavily upperclassmen that know his system and can keep younger players on top of it. His system needs roster stability. How many times the past 2 years with new players getting playing time did we want to punch a hole in our tv watching them play some pretty awful basketball?MCNPA post=428572 said:
I truly think thats what some of us are a little worried about with these transfers. The roster continuity, not the overall talent of the players that are transferring out.
The way things stand right now, the concept of "this kid is gonna be a solid 4 year player for us" and "when this group of kids are upperclassmen...." is a thing of the past. We can no longer assume that kids will be around from season to season, let alone for 4 seasons. If they're good, they could transfer to a more successful program or go pro. If they're not good or not getting enough PT to suit them, they can move laterally or to school in a lower level conference. There will always be exceptions, but the idea of building a team at the high D1 level for the long haul is pretty much done. Again, I say "the way things stand now". That could change. So, building a team to win immediately is what needs to be done. Musselman, amongst others, have done it. CMA will have to figure out how to do it. It's the new era of college basketball, those who adjust to it will survive and thrive. Those who don't, will fall by the wayside.
Monte post=428626 said:
I would like to believe this post is wrong, but unfortunately it may well prove to be correct. If it is, then that does not bode well for schools like St John's on the basketball front. Succeeding in that new world will almost invariably take piles of (a) cash and (b) unscrupulous behavior, neither of which are SJU characteristics.
Steve Lappas was on on CBS Sports last night with Ryan Hollins and Gary Parrish. Parrish said the portal is crazy and they agreed that coaches literally now have to RE-recruit every player on their roster. But Parrish stated if he has to error on one side or the other he would still error on the side of player freedom.
Lappas interjected and said he had to be voice of reason. He told the story of Kittles. Kittles came to Nova from New Orleans decorated prep player. He committed to play for Rollie who left after 92 to go to UNLV. Lappas came from Manhattan to take over. First thing he had to do was re-recruit Kittles who thought about asking out of his NLI after Rollie left. He ended up staying. But the real issue came a year later. Kittles and Nova have a very poor year in 92-93 (Mahoney was a first year coach also and he won COY). They went I think 1-15 in the BE. Kittles was homesick and wanted to go back to Louisiana. Lappas sat down and asked him to stay 1 more year, tough it out and if he still was unhappy he would help him transfer out. Kittles stayed and became a legend. Actually came back after he turned pro and completed his MBA at Nova, sits on a board at Nova and has said staying was the best decision he ever made. But Lappas admits if there was no sit year (in other words a penalty for transferring) there is no way he would have stayed at Nova even with Lappas trying to convince him otherwise.
Lappas interjected and said he had to be voice of reason. He told the story of Kittles. Kittles came to Nova from New Orleans decorated prep player. He committed to play for Rollie who left after 92 to go to UNLV. Lappas came from Manhattan to take over. First thing he had to do was re-recruit Kittles who thought about asking out of his NLI after Rollie left. He ended up staying. But the real issue came a year later. Kittles and Nova have a very poor year in 92-93 (Mahoney was a first year coach also and he won COY). They went I think 1-15 in the BE. Kittles was homesick and wanted to go back to Louisiana. Lappas sat down and asked him to stay 1 more year, tough it out and if he still was unhappy he would help him transfer out. Kittles stayed and became a legend. Actually came back after he turned pro and completed his MBA at Nova, sits on a board at Nova and has said staying was the best decision he ever made. But Lappas admits if there was no sit year (in other words a penalty for transferring) there is no way he would have stayed at Nova even with Lappas trying to convince him otherwise.
MakingPlays
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Well said and I 100% agree.Monte post=428626 said:
In the new transfer rule thread, I said if I was CMA or another coach that has a system and it takes time to learn, I would completely eliminate recruiting any 2/3-star high school recruits or mid-tier JUCO players that I know will need development before they are ready to contribute. Those players with the new transfer rule will with almost 100% certainty transfer, so it's a waste of time to even bring them in and try to develop them.
Aim for high 3 star, 4/5 star players, or high tier JUCO players that you know will start or play a lot of minutes from day 1, get what you can there and then for the rest of your recruits go to the transfer portal and target kids with 2 or 3 years remaining and use those kids to build your foundation because you know they've already used up their transfer and they will most likely be the players that stay that you can build around.
Let’s be clear. The system takes a little time to learn but not for everyone. Dunn, Champs, Wusu,Posh learned it extremely quickly amongst others. Other players who are more raw generally learn and improve more slowly regardless.
The defections we have this season are mostly because these players have failed to find the success they and we hoped. McGriff was a nice backup PG type but was never going to get any significant minutes here. Cole was entering his senior year and really struggled out the gate as he was too slow to grab full-time starters minutes. Roberts struggled as well. Moore is the only guy who left who had the talent to play meaningful minutes at this level. He just didn’t seem to mesh with the staff and philosophy they try to play with.
This portal is awful and can’t stay this way it’s clear, but our transfers out were generally expected, even without this years crazy transfer environment.
The defections we have this season are mostly because these players have failed to find the success they and we hoped. McGriff was a nice backup PG type but was never going to get any significant minutes here. Cole was entering his senior year and really struggled out the gate as he was too slow to grab full-time starters minutes. Roberts struggled as well. Moore is the only guy who left who had the talent to play meaningful minutes at this level. He just didn’t seem to mesh with the staff and philosophy they try to play with.
This portal is awful and can’t stay this way it’s clear, but our transfers out were generally expected, even without this years crazy transfer environment.
you're correct; you may be able to win with mediocre talent who are experienced in a particular system. but as some of this year's elite 8 teams show us, you can win and go further with better talent, even if they are not experienced in a system until tournament time.KG 44 post=428586 said:
MakingPlays
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We're talking about playing it a high level and playing it at a tournament level, that's all that matters. Posh is the only one on that list that learned to play it a high level in less than a year, and even then he had a rough start and things didn't really start clicking for him until conference play. Also, you can go back and look at the posts during this season, the defense didn't look good for a lot of the season, guys were getting lost, making mistakes, giving up open 3 pointers etc. Even CMA says with new guys in his system his defense looks like 10 minutes of hell and 30 minutes of what the hell. Most players need 1-2 years in his system to really get a good feel for what he wants on the defensive end.MCNPA post=428639 said:
BannerMountainMan
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Yep, Richmond and Tarique are on the board now, dont know if we go after Richmond though, he wants to be the 1 and we already have that.
MakingPlays
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Tarique Foster is a 2022 recruit. He's not a transfer.Billy Don Ferrell post=428650 said:
Billy Don Ferrell post=428650 said:
As I said in earlier in The Transfer Portal (in general) thread when it was rumored that he would hit the portal "...yes please on Richmond who played both guard spots at the Cuse and who we targeted out of High School. Not sure however with Smith already onboard, if he would want to come here with a crowded backcourt of Posh, GWIII and Smith."
I thought he had a good chance of unseating Girard as the 1 as he was playing more than Girard a few times as Girard was slumping.
Would LOVE to have Richmond here. GWill and Stef are seniors. Richmond could step in right away at one of the SG/wing spots and we often have more than one primary ball handler ala Posh/Dunn. No idea where he’s thinking about going but certainly should make a run at him and kick the tires.