SJU Transfer Targets/Possibilities

[SJU14]

Pitt has already lost five guys not named Champagnie, and not garbage time guys either, so I'm really wondering what's going on there.

I was thinking the same thing at first, but this is happening to a lot of teams right now, it's crazy the amount of kids in the portal and the college basketball season isn't even over yet.  With this free transfer, if a coach ever did anything a kid didn't like they are transferring.  I just read that a kid that started the entire year at Mizzou transferred because he didn't play as much as he thought he should have in their NCAA tournament game.  

And Pitt is actually on par with what's going on here at St.John's and around the country.  They've had 4 transfers and we've had 4 transfers.  We lost 2 starters and a 6th man to transfer, they lost 3 starters to transfer, so it's not that much different.  Jeff Capel is usually well liked by his players, same as Mike Anderson, however with this new rule, kids get their parents and friends in their ear and tell them they should be the star and should be doing so much more, now they can actually act upon it and just leave with no consequences of sitting out a year.

You hit the nail on the head with that last part. You should see the amount of people responding to players posts saying they are “league bound” and deserve more minutes after they announce their moves. Half of these kids can’t even get minutes on a D1 squad and have people telling them that the NBA is next. If only they truly understood what it takes and the amount of time and effort they have to put in to get there. Some kids care too much about their egos and social media than actually getting better at the game.

 

[L J S A]

So if a guy enters portal and doesn't initially list us, but then he does, does the post get moved from one thread to the other? Or do we just post again in this thread?/media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png

 

[monte]

Pitt has already lost five guys not named Champagnie, and not garbage time guys either, so I'm really wondering what's going on there.

I was thinking the same thing at first, but this is happening to a lot of teams right now, it's crazy the amount of kids in the portal and the college basketball season isn't even over yet.  With this free transfer, if a coach ever did anything a kid didn't like they are transferring.  I just read that a kid that started the entire year at Mizzou transferred because he didn't play as much as he thought he should have in their NCAA tournament game.  

And Pitt is actually on par with what's going on here at St.John's and around the country.  They've had 4 transfers and we've had 4 transfers.  We lost 2 starters and a 6th man to transfer, they lost 3 starters to transfer, so it's not that much different.  Jeff Capel is usually well liked by his players, same as Mike Anderson, however with this new rule, kids get their parents and friends in their ear and tell them they should be the star and should be doing so much more, now they can actually act upon it and just leave with no consequences of sitting out a year.

You hit the nail on the head with that last part. You should see the amount of people responding to players posts saying they are “league bound” and deserve more minutes after they announce their moves. Half of these kids can’t even get minutes on a D1 squad and have people telling them that the NBA is next. If only they truly understood what it takes and the amount of time and effort they have to put in to get there. Some kids care too much about their egos and social media than actually getting better at the game.

One of the reason many of us were willing to wait longer to see our program successful again was because we felt CMA was building something special here. We knew it would take time, but we were hoping he would bring in the right kind of kids who would stay longer(and develop over time)  because of their relationship with CMA.  What's happening now with the departures  is worrisome. I realize  this an unusual situation with the transfer rule, but it is the same for every coach in the country. There will be an inordinate amount of kids transferring out of schools, and an opportunity to bring more kids in then usual. So it should balance itself out. I assure you it will, at the very least, balance itself out for some coaches. Hopefully CMA is one of them. 


 

 

[SJU14]

Pitt has already lost five guys not named Champagnie, and not garbage time guys either, so I'm really wondering what's going on there.

I was thinking the same thing at first, but this is happening to a lot of teams right now, it's crazy the amount of kids in the portal and the college basketball season isn't even over yet.  With this free transfer, if a coach ever did anything a kid didn't like they are transferring.  I just read that a kid that started the entire year at Mizzou transferred because he didn't play as much as he thought he should have in their NCAA tournament game.  

And Pitt is actually on par with what's going on here at St.John's and around the country.  They've had 4 transfers and we've had 4 transfers.  We lost 2 starters and a 6th man to transfer, they lost 3 starters to transfer, so it's not that much different.  Jeff Capel is usually well liked by his players, same as Mike Anderson, however with this new rule, kids get their parents and friends in their ear and tell them they should be the star and should be doing so much more, now they can actually act upon it and just leave with no consequences of sitting out a year.

You hit the nail on the head with that last part. You should see the amount of people responding to players posts saying they are “league bound” and deserve more minutes after they announce their moves. Half of these kids can’t even get minutes on a D1 squad and have people telling them that the NBA is next. If only they truly understood what it takes and the amount of time and effort they have to put in to get there. Some kids care too much about their egos and social media than actually getting better at the game.

One of the reason many of us were willing to wait longer to see our program successful again was because we felt CMA was building something special here. We knew it would take time, but we were hoping he would bring in the right kind of kids who would stay longer(and develop over time)  because of their relationship with CMA.  What's happening now with the departures  is worrisome. I realize  this an unusual situation with the transfer rule, but it is the same for every coach in the country. There will be an inordinate amount of kids transferring out of schools, and an opportunity to bring more kids in then usual. So it should balance itself out. I assure you it will, at the very least, balance itself out for some coaches. Hopefully CMA is one of them. 




 

As Andrew Slater just tweeted, don’t bash the programs like Pitt (and ours) because the mass exodus is going to happen to the big boys like Michigan State and UNC, just hasn’t become public yet.

 

[MCNPA]

I honestly don’t think our transfers are anywhere near as bad as Pitt’s nor many others and many had figured we’d have 4 transfers for a long time now.  Our “starters” that are leaving aren’t really heavy impact players with the exception of Moore who seems like a bit of a head-case. 

 

[monte]

Pitt has already lost five guys not named Champagnie, and not garbage time guys either, so I'm really wondering what's going on there.

I was thinking the same thing at first, but this is happening to a lot of teams right now, it's crazy the amount of kids in the portal and the college basketball season isn't even over yet.  With this free transfer, if a coach ever did anything a kid didn't like they are transferring.  I just read that a kid that started the entire year at Mizzou transferred because he didn't play as much as he thought he should have in their NCAA tournament game.  

And Pitt is actually on par with what's going on here at St.John's and around the country.  They've had 4 transfers and we've had 4 transfers.  We lost 2 starters and a 6th man to transfer, they lost 3 starters to transfer, so it's not that much different.  Jeff Capel is usually well liked by his players, same as Mike Anderson, however with this new rule, kids get their parents and friends in their ear and tell them they should be the star and should be doing so much more, now they can actually act upon it and just leave with no consequences of sitting out a year.

You hit the nail on the head with that last part. You should see the amount of people responding to players posts saying they are “league bound” and deserve more minutes after they announce their moves. Half of these kids can’t even get minutes on a D1 squad and have people telling them that the NBA is next. If only they truly understood what it takes and the amount of time and effort they have to put in to get there. Some kids care too much about their egos and social media than actually getting better at the game.

One of the reason many of us were willing to wait longer to see our program successful again was because we felt CMA was building something special here. We knew it would take time, but we were hoping he would bring in the right kind of kids who would stay longer(and develop over time)  because of their relationship with CMA.  What's happening now with the departures  is worrisome. I realize  this an unusual situation with the transfer rule, but it is the same for every coach in the country. There will be an inordinate amount of kids transferring out of schools, and an opportunity to bring more kids in then usual. So it should balance itself out. I assure you it will, at the very least, balance itself out for some coaches. Hopefully CMA is one of them. 






 

As Andrew Slater just tweeted, don’t bash the programs like Pitt (and ours) because the mass exodus is going to happen to the big boys like Michigan State and UNC, just hasn’t become public yet.

Something tells me the exodus won't be as great at the blue bloods as it is at the others, but I could be wrong. From the looks of the last Mich St game, they probably have kids with one foot out the door already. And who knows, maybe a lot of these kids test the waters and wind up back at their original school. The ones that don't will all need to find a new landing place, hopefully we get our share of talent. 

 

 

[Knight]

Is there an end date to entering the transfer portal?

 

[MakingPlays]

I honestly don’t think our transfers are anywhere near as bad as Pitt’s nor many others and many had figured we’d have 4 transfers for a long time now.  Our “starters” that are leaving aren’t really heavy impact players with the exception of Moore who seems like a bit of a head-case. 

Losing 20+ PPG to transfer is never a good thing.  Moore and Cole are big losses no matter what people say, both heavily contributed to wins.  Cole actually made a game winner.  I know it's easy to say now that they weren't that big of a deal, but both had pretty good first years and got experience in the system, that's something that can't be replaced, because the replacements will have learning curves when they are learning the new system.

Now with that said, most other teams are experiencing the same thing, so hopefully it evens out.  But, I don't know why people are thinking St. John's current transfer situation is just so much better than Pitt's, I guess it's hope that Justin will transfer here, so people have convinced themselves it's a lot worse over there, but in reality it's not that much different than what's going on here and everywhere else.

 

[MakingPlays]

Is there an end date to entering the transfer portal?

Nope transfer portal is like the 7-Eleven, open 24/7.  You see Caraher entered the portal in the middle of the season.  The portal is going to be something coaches literally watch every day.

 

[mjmaherjr]

I honestly don’t think our transfers are anywhere near as bad as Pitt’s nor many others and many had figured we’d have 4 transfers for a long time now.  Our “starters” that are leaving aren’t really heavy impact players with the exception of Moore who seems like a bit of a head-case. 

Losing 20+ PPG to transfer is never a good thing.  Moore and Cole are big losses no matter what people say, both heavily contributed to wins.  Cole actually made a game winner.  I know it's easy to say now that they weren't that big of a deal, but both had pretty good first years and got experience in the system, that's something that can't be replaced, because the replacements will have learning curves when they are learning the new system.

Now with that said, most other teams are experiencing the same thing, so hopefully it evens out.  But, I don't know why people are thinking St. John's current transfer situation is just so much better than Pitt's, I guess it's hope that Justin will transfer here, so people have convinced themselves it's a lot worse over there, but in reality it's not that much different than what's going on here and everywhere else.

2 game winners

 

[boo haarvey]

I honestly don’t think our transfers are anywhere near as bad as Pitt’s nor many others and many had figured we’d have 4 transfers for a long time now.  Our “starters” that are leaving aren’t really heavy impact players with the exception of Moore who seems like a bit of a head-case. 

Losing 20+ PPG to transfer is never a good thing.  Moore and Cole are big losses no matter what people say, both heavily contributed to wins.  Cole actually made a game winner.  I know it's easy to say now that they weren't that big of a deal, but both had pretty good first years and got experience in the system, that's something that can't be replaced, because the replacements will have learning curves when they are learning the new system.

Now with that said, most other teams are experiencing the same thing, so hopefully it evens out.  But, I don't know why people are thinking St. John's current transfer situation is just so much better than Pitt's, I guess it's hope that Justin will transfer here, so people have convinced themselves it's a lot worse over there, but in reality it's not that much different than what's going on here and everywhere else.

2 game winners

Nearly every decent game he had was against inferior competition.  I generally hate to lose anybody, but I think we can do far better.  

 

[monte]

I honestly don’t think our transfers are anywhere near as bad as Pitt’s nor many others and many had figured we’d have 4 transfers for a long time now.  Our “starters” that are leaving aren’t really heavy impact players with the exception of Moore who seems like a bit of a head-case. 

Losing 20+ PPG to transfer is never a good thing.  Moore and Cole are big losses no matter what people say, both heavily contributed to wins.  Cole actually made a game winner.  I know it's easy to say now that they weren't that big of a deal, but both had pretty good first years and got experience in the system, that's something that can't be replaced, because the replacements will have learning curves when they are learning the new system.

Now with that said, most other teams are experiencing the same thing, so hopefully it evens out.  But, I don't know why people are thinking St. John's current transfer situation is just so much better than Pitt's, I guess it's hope that Justin will transfer here, so people have convinced themselves it's a lot worse over there, but in reality it's not that much different than what's going on here and everywhere else.

2 game winners

Nearly every decent game he had was against inferior competition.  I generally hate to lose anybody, but I think we can do far better.  

I too am looking for an upgrade in talent, but with Moore, Cole and Josh having only one more year remaining, and with them all knowing the system, I would have much preferred they had stayed for the sake of continuity. Notwithstanding behavioral issues. Now, I may be singing a different tune after I see who their replacements are, but still large scale departures are never a good look for a program or for a coach. If no one else leaves I don't think we'll look any worse then most programs, but if the departures continue, and I don't care who they are, it's not a good thing IMO. 

 

 

[MCNPA]

I don’t think Cole is a big loss.  Pinzon would have taken his minutes.  Moore is the only  one I worry about replacing as we need offensive production up front.  We really missed his ability in the BET and it was obvious. 

 

[paultzman]

Seems clear staff is looking for increasing shooting proficiency and the ever present big. Fingers crossed. 

 

[usguard]

We need a big that can rebound and defend and plays with his back to the basket like Watson . Moore was not that kind of a player HOPEFULLY, we will do better

 

 

[MCNPA]

Yeah but Moore was excellent facing the basket and extremely high percentage on offense and on offensive glass.  I have a feeling maybe Nywie will provide some of that but not sure until we actually see him play.  Still need to add one more offensively proficient big and I am more concerned about offensive proficiency than defensive because we can get most big guys playing reasonably good defense. 

 

[SLYFOXX1968]

What are the Ethics , if any , for Coaches to solicit  Transfer Recruits ?  Does the Player reach out and just enter the Portal and then Coaches can contact players they are interested in attracting ? 

 

[lawmanfan]

I honestly don’t think our transfers are anywhere near as bad as Pitt’s nor many others and many had figured we’d have 4 transfers for a long time now.  Our “starters” that are leaving aren’t really heavy impact players with the exception of Moore who seems like a bit of a head-case. 

Losing 20+ PPG to transfer is never a good thing.  Moore and Cole are big losses no matter what people say, both heavily contributed to wins.  Cole actually made a game winner.  I know it's easy to say now that they weren't that big of a deal, but both had pretty good first years and got experience in the system, that's something that can't be replaced, because the replacements will have learning curves when they are learning the new system.

Now with that said, most other teams are experiencing the same thing, so hopefully it evens out.  But, I don't know why people are thinking St. John's current transfer situation is just so much better than Pitt's, I guess it's hope that Justin will transfer here, so people have convinced themselves it's a lot worse over there, but in reality it's not that much different than what's going on here and everywhere else.




 

SJU's three (not four, unless you want to count Caraher) departures are two JUCOs who didn't work out and a limited-minutes player who might not even leave.  No effort was made by SJU to retain any of the three because in one case the replacements are already in house and on the way, and in the other they expect to improve via the transfer portal.


I have a good friend who is close to the Pitt program.  Pitt's situation is completely different than SJU.  That is a mass exodus of players who Capel recruited and who were the core of their team around Champagnie.  Champagnie is probably gone as well, and he also has zero recruits coming in.  Their five (not four) departures include 3 starters and their second and third leading scorers.  It's ugly there, and may get uglier. It's somewhat surprising Capel is still employed, and wouldn't be surprising at all if he isn't for much longer.

Not really sure why you'd overstate SJU losses and understate Pitt's - you clearly spend a lot of time on the game.

 

[bk8664]

I don’t think Cole is a big loss.  Pinzon would have taken his minutes.  Moore is the only  one I worry about replacing as we need offensive production up front.  We really missed his ability in the BET and it was obvious. 

As mentioned before,  Moore's hands can't be understated - he caught so many bullet passes.  He will be missed. I remember most of the last 25 years, our few big guys had a hard time catching tough passes.

 

[SJU85]

What are the Ethics , if any , for Coaches to solicit  Transfer Recruits ?  Does the Player reach out and just enter the Portal and then Coaches can contact players they are interested in attracting ? 
 

Once a player enters his/her name in the transfer portal, any program is able to contact and recruit them as they are considered to be "free agents".