Rysheed Jordan
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I don't have a problem with recruiting Jordan, but I do agree that coach should re-evaluate his recruiting strategy.
In theory a team of athletic wings makes for great defense and should be able to get out and run in transition.
What is obvious to me though by now, is that we have too many athletic forwards who can't shoot from the outside, don't have the dribble skills to handle the ball, but yet also are too thin to bang down low.
Moe broke the mold because he hit enough shots outside to keep teams honest, and also shad something of a post up game.
But Amir, Dom, Jakarr, Jones, Felix, and even going back to Polee, all fit that description.
Don't get me wrong, Amir played hard and well last night, and Jakarr is a talent for sure; but you can't have a roster full of guys who can't play on the perimeter and are also too thin to post up or rebound down low.
That, and we don't have anyone on the roster above 6'9. Height isn't everything, And I'd sign for a Dajuan Blair any day. But he's the exception rather than the rule. Give me one 6'10-6'11 guy. Just one and I'd be happy.
In theory a team of athletic wings makes for great defense and should be able to get out and run in transition.
What is obvious to me though by now, is that we have too many athletic forwards who can't shoot from the outside, don't have the dribble skills to handle the ball, but yet also are too thin to bang down low.
Moe broke the mold because he hit enough shots outside to keep teams honest, and also shad something of a post up game.
But Amir, Dom, Jakarr, Jones, Felix, and even going back to Polee, all fit that description.
Don't get me wrong, Amir played hard and well last night, and Jakarr is a talent for sure; but you can't have a roster full of guys who can't play on the perimeter and are also too thin to post up or rebound down low.
That, and we don't have anyone on the roster above 6'9. Height isn't everything, And I'd sign for a Dajuan Blair any day. But he's the exception rather than the rule. Give me one 6'10-6'11 guy. Just one and I'd be happy.
Moose
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No real need to explain. You hit the nail on the head.
Another combo guard who will be either replacing Harrison or joining him in a crowded backcourt with only 1 ball to go around. So does Jordan play over Greene or Branch? Fine whoever is better. But then were right back to the Youngest team garbage because the upperclassmen are getting pushed out by the underclassmen. Plus its a combo.
We have a quantity over quality program.
I'm fine with bringing in Jordan, but is he any better than Branch?
Are Amir and Dom any better than Jones? Last night even Jakarr wasn't any better than those 3.
Would Gift really rebound any that much better than Sampson and Obekpa ?
Nobody except Dangelo demands playing time on this team by separating himself.
On most teams guys start because they are either young and clearly the more talented player, or the opposite - they have experience and know the system so much better that they are clearly a step ahead of the underclassman who backs them up.
We have neither.. We have Dangelo, and then 10 guys who are all somewhere between a B- and C+. And nobody is either vastly more gifted, or clearly more experienced, than anybody else.
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Absolutely not!
My gut feeling is this staff will slowly exit on their own...one by one and drift back to the west coast.
Both Lavin and his top assistant are married to actresses who will never make NYC their home IMO.
Looking back, last year was a lost year with our coach recovering from a serious illness and player turmoil with transfers and ineligible players. This year, unfortunately, is starting to shape up just as bad when you consider that we have the ability to play only scholarship players yet the depth has been diluted by design by making us the smallest and lightest team in the Big East. Yes, this is another rebuilding year but if any of you fellow redmen imagined us being this pitiful, the future is not bright....even in the Cathloic 7.
I do not think even the blowhard Jarvis ever had a SJ team picked so low and for us to be an afterthought in the Big East in Lavin's third recruiting year is disappointing. Other than Harkless and Harrison, none of these other players appear to be Big East caliber......Obekpa has a long learning curve ahead.
Lavin and coaches appear to be putting their recruiting eggs in just a couple of players baskets and if they are not signed, next year can actually be worse without a scoring option like Harrison.
It would push Lavin to grab JC leftovers he never recruited from day one and dilute the talent further.
Sound familiar? It turned out to be Jarvis' formula at SJ. Except for his third year, Jarvis at least went to the post season every year. Another similararity with Jarvis is that Lavin is a great bullshitter but we hard nosed redmen fans with scars on our asses from sitting on the Alumni Hall wooden bleachers know that eventually bullshit takes a walk.
No, we will never fire Lavin. Having fired Mahoney, Franny, Jarvis and Roberts would turn this program into Fordham if a high profile coach recovering from cancer is fired. What Lavin needs is an assistant with game-time X&O ability. Some of us thought that would be Keady....we were wrong. Some hoped for Welsh, he never got a call.
The only hopeful sign we have this year is the rumor that Orlando Sanchez may get back to the team......but where is he??? How many practices has he missed?
This is how we recruit:
PG: combo, scoring guard, better at shooting than passing, maximum height is 6'3 w/shoes
SG: see above, max height is 6'5 w/shoes
SF: wiry, ultra athletic, slasher, poor outside shot, big leaper, combo PF/C, average rebounder, height is 6'5-6'8 w/shoes
PF: see above
C: combo PF, decent rebounder, zero post up game, gets up & down the floor, can block shots, undersized, max height is 6'9 w/shoes
I thought Marco and Hooper broke the mold as they are specialists but it's like looking in your garage during a blizzard and not wanting to drive your ugly snow mobile when you're so used to driving Ferraris. So you jump in the Ferrari and proceed to skid out and crash while your ugly snow mobile collects dust in the garage.
tom in salem
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Me too.
Assume her husband is a poster.
Youth isnt an excuse theyres young teams all over that do well..Its not the 80's where teams with stars that stay 3 and 4 years dominate..its a watered down college game where u can win with youth..
Its just that our young players arent all that good or maybe the coaching isnt good but probably a mix of both..
Its just that our young players arent all that good or maybe the coaching isnt good but probably a mix of both..
While what you say is a common misconception it's not really true at all, besides Cal's teams and an anomaly here and there..
The great programs have a mix of solid 4 year players, including a few upperclassmen every year, and then have the luxury of shuttling in and out some 5 star/short term talent.
The individual stars of the game are young but for the most part the foundations of the top teams are mature.
Of the top 13 or so teams in the country (and probably a lot more in the top 25, I got bored with looking it up) only 2 don't count 3 or more upperclassmen in their top 6 players, Michigan and Syracuse. And Syracuse is being led by two seniors.
Syracuse? Fair, triche, and southerland.
I'm trying to point out how a lot of other teams who also recruit mostly top 100 guys need veteran leadership and experience. Big learning curve from HS to Div 1. If you're recruiting 5 star guys it's a different story but this rosters isn't full of 5 star guys or anyone who was touted as coming in as a complete player. FWIW both of the touted classes have been full of great athletes with one or two good skills but only Dlo and Harkless would appear to be guys anyone should have expected to have top half of the conference production from in their first or second years.
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http://www.rumbleinthegarden.com/20...m-2011-recruiting-class-overview-coming-storm
Where have all the flowes gone? Long time passing.........
Girls have picked them every one
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