Of course he will put a roster together. But a roster with Dual most likely would be better than one without him. And you would be crazy to think otherwise.
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Larry Wright
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Again, there is no coach living or dead I would want here.
My only point is that I believe coach misplayed his hand to start. It happens.
He lost 7 or 8 games last year not playing a competitive schedule. He will need better players to get into the tournament. EVERY coach would. Nonsense that he would win with Soriano and some mid major kids.
We don’t know why Coach Pitino did not want certain players to return. We do know that he liked what he saw and heard about the two players he asked to return. He pointed out a problem with the culture that was present with the existing team. It appears there were disciplinary and academic issues that were of concern with certain members that were on the roster. Coach knows what he is doing. Let’s see what the team looks like in June.
Should have kept a few more kids seems so simplistic,
that it's even more logical that coach considered and felt/feels he
has better options.
Remember having really good players for four years has
something to say for it.
We have a GREAT COACH, we live in the FINANCIAL
CAPITAL of the world abbreviated by NIL-POWER and last and so
importantly the most loyal and knowledgeable fan base in
THE WORLD !!! Red is the color of fire!
The cream always rises to the top, except for March Madness
, and that's just crazy time anyway.
that it's even more logical that coach considered and felt/feels he
has better options.
Remember having really good players for four years has
something to say for it.
We have a GREAT COACH, we live in the FINANCIAL
CAPITAL of the world abbreviated by NIL-POWER and last and so
importantly the most loyal and knowledgeable fan base in
THE WORLD !!! Red is the color of fire!
The cream always rises to the top, except for March Madness
, and that's just crazy time anyway.
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RedmanMike
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The hand-wringing by some on this board is almost comical. Most of us have no idea what went on last season beyond watching games. We do not know what went on in practice, in the locker-room, or in the classroom. And what did we learn from watching the games? That the players mostly tuned out the coach, played hard only when they wanted to (not all the time), and were overall a huge disappointment. That doesn't make them bad people and that doesn't mean I wouldn't want to keep a couple of them - but let's not get carried away.
And here's another thing we do not know - what was said between Pitino and the players who hit the portal. Some of us act like we know, but most of us don't.
Rick Pitino does know all of these things. If he made the decision that a complete rebuild was necessary, then he's probably right.
Remember, he didn't just keep our best players (Soriano). He also kept the 13th man (Traore) - a guy who barely played. That tells you all you need to know about what he's looking for, and what he probably feels about the rest of the roster.
I've wanted Rick Pitino to coach St. John's for 30 years - ever since Looie retired. He was always a pipe dream. Like he was every going to leave Kentucky, or the Celtics or Louisville to come home to coach the Johnnies?
Now he's our coach. He is far and away the most accomplished coach we have ever had - better than Looie, better than Lapchik, better than Frank McGuire. It's not even close.
So come on in off the ledge. Let the man do his job, and see what happens.
And here's another thing we do not know - what was said between Pitino and the players who hit the portal. Some of us act like we know, but most of us don't.
Rick Pitino does know all of these things. If he made the decision that a complete rebuild was necessary, then he's probably right.
Remember, he didn't just keep our best players (Soriano). He also kept the 13th man (Traore) - a guy who barely played. That tells you all you need to know about what he's looking for, and what he probably feels about the rest of the roster.
I've wanted Rick Pitino to coach St. John's for 30 years - ever since Looie retired. He was always a pipe dream. Like he was every going to leave Kentucky, or the Celtics or Louisville to come home to coach the Johnnies?
Now he's our coach. He is far and away the most accomplished coach we have ever had - better than Looie, better than Lapchik, better than Frank McGuire. It's not even close.
So come on in off the ledge. Let the man do his job, and see what happens.
To break the seriousness of some posts on this Rick Pitino topic - a brief switch to Letterman & sports ( I hope it comes through)
SJUDave
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Reality is, on top of so many kids in the portal, there really is so much time. A lot of transfers don't make decisions until the end of the month, you can go back and look at the big names from last year. Everyone is antsy, I get it, but man if anyone deserves benefit of the doubt it's this coach.
Furthermore, this notion that top talent in the portal is dwindling is non-sense but also subjective. Player evaluation is subjective...how many coaches thought Caleb Love was a top guy in the portal, how many didn't want to touch him and his 2/19 shooting with a 10 foot poll. Given Rick Pitino, Steve Masiello and co. track record of developing players, this staff is going to make calculated decisions.
And here's the other fact with some of this selfish and entitled fan base...just because something isn't happening on YOUR time doesn't mean these guys are sitting on their hands. A few you of you need to take some real deep breaths.
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Again it's the attitude of, "Because he is not doing exactly what I think he should be doing on MY timetable that means he is failing so therefore I have every reason to criticize.."
A roster with 10 5 star kids is better than a roster with 8 5 star kids.
Exactly what is your point? You don't know what you don't know.
Great Stuff thanks.
I remember when I was at The Garden around 1956 and
Ohio State played against us.
There was this guy that swooped through air grabbing
rebounds like a Gazelle.
Later he was drafted by the Dodgers and played for
a few more teams. FRANK PAUL BUNYAN HOWARD.
WOW and thanks for the memories,
that was a real Swish !
I remember when I was at The Garden around 1956 and
Ohio State played against us.
There was this guy that swooped through air grabbing
rebounds like a Gazelle.
Later he was drafted by the Dodgers and played for
a few more teams. FRANK PAUL BUNYAN HOWARD.
WOW and thanks for the memories,
that was a real Swish !
Logical thought... but don't think that's how the peanut gallery will react here!
Better than Frank McGuire ? Let's keep away from that.
You are on holy ground.
Besides his coaching/recruiting prowess he was so lovable and had half of
the garden filled with Policemen and Firemen and The Garden rocked and
the REDMENWON !
Correct and a roster of 13 D-1 players is better than a roster of 3 D-1 players.
I know you just like to argue to argue, especially with anyone that disagrees with you. So you can either skip my posts and say I told you so when Pitino signs some 4/5 star kids this year. Or we can go back and forth all day/night/week.
By the way my original point was that Dual is a must get (in my opinion) being the most highly talented player (in my opinion) that has setup a visit with us.
Larry Wright
Well-known member
Here is the other issue. Roster turnover at Kentucky and Duke where you swap out 5 top 10 kids for 5 top 10 kids is one thing. Overhauling entire roster without replacing them with superior talent…. Regular talent kids need time to jell.
I am guessing a majority of readers have no idea of “peanut gallery” and what it means.
MugCostanza
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I trust that Rick and the staff will put together a solid roster and be competitive in year one. Though I think there are some misconceptions out there.
1. There is an unlimited amount of players in the portal - Yes there are 1400 D1 players in the portal. The healthy majority of the those players are nowhere near good enough to play in the Big East. The ones that are good enough are being pursued by a couple dozen other high major programs who also have coaches that are very highly regarded for one reason or another. As we've seen already, kids won't just automatically choose to play for Pitino as soon as he calls them.
2. Losing out on a player shouldn't be concerning because "They'll find somebody as good or better." - This is just patently ridiculous and actually underhandedly calls Pitino and staff stupid for pursuing a certain kid when they can probably just find somebody better anyway. Obviously Pitino and staff wouldn't spend time pursuing a kid and setting up the visit for them if they A) Didn't think they would be a big help to the program and B) Didn't think they had any chance at them in the first place. Losing out of kids that you devote a good amount of resources into pursuing stings no matter what.
3. Pitino can win with the Carnesecca Arena janitors. - I do agree Pitino is the best X's and O's and player development coach of my lifetime and all things being equal I'd put him up against anybody in the country and be confident with it. But there are some really really good coaches in the Big East now and they have some serious talent on their teams. Could Pitino win with measurably inferior talent against Stubblefield and Kim English - probably. Could he win with measurably inferior talent against Hurley (proven in the NCAA Tournament game), Miller, Smart, and McDermott - No.
Again, I was ready to burn the athletic department to the ground if they passed on Pitino and still completely feel that way. I'm still extremely confident he will win and win big here but it's not going to just automatically happen like some people think. It's important to recognize setbacks when they happen even when there's a good chance they will be overcome.
1. There is an unlimited amount of players in the portal - Yes there are 1400 D1 players in the portal. The healthy majority of the those players are nowhere near good enough to play in the Big East. The ones that are good enough are being pursued by a couple dozen other high major programs who also have coaches that are very highly regarded for one reason or another. As we've seen already, kids won't just automatically choose to play for Pitino as soon as he calls them.
2. Losing out on a player shouldn't be concerning because "They'll find somebody as good or better." - This is just patently ridiculous and actually underhandedly calls Pitino and staff stupid for pursuing a certain kid when they can probably just find somebody better anyway. Obviously Pitino and staff wouldn't spend time pursuing a kid and setting up the visit for them if they A) Didn't think they would be a big help to the program and B) Didn't think they had any chance at them in the first place. Losing out of kids that you devote a good amount of resources into pursuing stings no matter what.
3. Pitino can win with the Carnesecca Arena janitors. - I do agree Pitino is the best X's and O's and player development coach of my lifetime and all things being equal I'd put him up against anybody in the country and be confident with it. But there are some really really good coaches in the Big East now and they have some serious talent on their teams. Could Pitino win with measurably inferior talent against Stubblefield and Kim English - probably. Could he win with measurably inferior talent against Hurley (proven in the NCAA Tournament game), Miller, Smart, and McDermott - No.
Again, I was ready to burn the athletic department to the ground if they passed on Pitino and still completely feel that way. I'm still extremely confident he will win and win big here but it's not going to just automatically happen like some people think. It's important to recognize setbacks when they happen even when there's a good chance they will be overcome.
Holy ground as in the boardwalk at 108th St. I have had conversations with members of this board to the effect that the NCAA and the fan base are not likely to sanction Coach Pitino but that there may be a risk that some of his behavior will not sit well with the Church. We shall see.