Rick’s Targets

logen said:
I don’t believe anyone, from Shandy on down, were interested in “salvaging” anyone other than the players mentioned at the press conference. Keeping some players, yes, but not under the circumstances that existed under CMA. Players were offered conditions to return and they decided to not accept them.
I believe the decision to potentially jettison most of the players was made before and then in conjunction with the Pitino hiring. I also believe the witnessed practice in February was very eye opening as to the obvious dysfunction within the program. I am certainly not saying anything you don’t know but chemistry and commitment count big time.
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If Shanley made the decision to jettison nearly the entire roster based on one practice then shame on him as well. Doubt that was the case.

And how do you know certain players were offered conditions to return and decided not to accept them? Perhaps I’m reading too much into your post but it seems you’re presuming Posh and Storr did something wrong and refused to commit to doing something going forward. That’s pure speculation.

More likely, particularly with Posh, Pitino didn’t make them a priority because he thought he could upgrade.
 
Rhythm said:
The players who were offered a spot. Left because they were not willing to work within the new regimes expectations.
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Statements like these are total speculation and irresponsible. What’s your basis for this? Do you have even a modicum of inside info or are you just throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks?
 
Disclaimer Pitino is the best college coach ever IMO.
With Clayton and the big kid he lost to Siena, Rider, Santa Clara and Quinnipiac. Even great coaches need players. Some seem to have notion that he will be able to roll out 4 mid major kids with Soriano in the BE and still make the tournament.
 
The guy didn’t even officially name his coaching staff until yesterday. The only player we “lost” out on was Walter Clayton Jr. I also don’t think the job nor recruiting is any more difficult now than when Rick took the job a few short weeks ago.

We named a new coach in the spring, after moat of ths year's recruiting has been done for most teams, save the transfer portal. It's far from the best time to recruit, especially with the large amount if players we need. This is not going to be any surprise for Rick Pitino, as some are making it seem. We will land players for sure, but it will take a few months to see where we land with this stuff. again, i dont believe Pitino is surprised by any of this, except maybe Clayton Jr. not going his way.
 
Boo Harvey said:
Statements like these are total speculation and irresponsible. What’s your basis for this? Do you have even a modicum of inside info or are you just throwing crap against the wall and hoping it sticks?
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Who cares are you truly worried that Pitino won't have a roster?

Most of this negative stuff is wishful thinking from people who aren't worried so much as they want to create worry so as to be able to say, See I told you so..

It is all so phony.

He has been the coach for literally 3 weeks. He is remaking the roster it is what he said he was going to do. He is a HOF coach who has won at every stop and won big everywhere. He is generally regarded as one of the best coaches of his generation.

Yet people are acting like "Oh My God Walter Clayton went to Florida what is going to happen, we are going to have 2 star recruits and finish last in the BE, we fired Moke Anderson for this..."
 
I sincerely hope the posters that think this is all going to plan will be proven correct and the Houston we have a problem posters will be shown to have been wrong.
Right now just having hard time seeing it.

And no one upset Anderson got fired or thinks Pitino isn’t Pitino. The um discomfort stems from blowing up the roster prematurely.
 
fordham96 said:
Who cares are you truly worried that Pitino won't have a roster?

Most of this negative stuff is wishful thinking from people who aren't worried so much as they want to create worry so as to be able to say, See I told you so..

It is all so phony.

He has been the coach for literally 3 weeks. He is remaking the roster it is what he said he was going to do. He is a HOF coach who has won at every stop and won big everywhere. He is generally regarded as one of the best coaches of his generation.

Yet people are acting like "Oh My God Walter Clayton went to Florida what is going to happen, we are going to have 2 star recruits and finish last in the BE, we fired Moke Anderson for this..."
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All true but even Pitino said he has a limited time left coaching. Will suck if we need to waste a year rebuilding when we had a nice core of players available to come back.

It’s a bit early to panic but also okay to be a bit concerned.
 
stjohnnie75 said:
All true but even Pitino said he has a limited time left coaching. Will suck if we need to waste a year rebuilding when we had a nice core of players available to come back.

It’s a bit early to panic but also okay to be a bit concerned.
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No I don't agree with that. Even if I thought the roster turnover was an issue, AND I DON'T, he has earned several thousand benefits of the doubt considering his track record.

People talk about Kentucky. This is not the situation at Kentucky but his turnaround there is remarkable. He took over a program that not only was stripped of scholarships and put on NCAA probation with no SEC or NCAA post season for 2 years and NO TV for 2 years. And coming off a losing season where most of the best players quit. In his SECOND YEAR he won the SEC regular season but was ineligible for SEC Tourney and NCAA's because of probation. This is not close to that.

You didn't hire the 3rd assistant at UCLA, you hired imho the greatest coach of his generation.

And he is more motivated now considering what the NCAA said post-Louisville then ever to win at a high major.

So no, limited time is 6-7 years in this day an age with the portal there are no 3 year rebuilds. He knows that. K-St and others are perfect examples.

I am not telling you how to feel I assume some of you are genuinely worried I am not at all. At all...at all,,,at all,,,,at alll............
 
I would have loved for him to take a shot at Abmas. Tell him come to NY, I am Rick Pitino, will make you my Billy Donovan. Get you drafted.
 
Redzing1969 said:
Unbelievable! One recruit says no and RP is accused of failing miserably? And the answer is he failed because he didn’t bring back an 8th Place teams players? What a joke !
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It's more than one recruit saying "no". It's the lack of anything positive happening yet. RP imo was a great hire. It's very possible that the St John's reputation is the problem. There are plenty of places for athletes to go. And they know nothing about STJ tradition or can nothing about RP . I still feel like our time is passed. And as much as I thought RP could right the ship. I'm now left wonder if it's just too late.
 
fordham96 said:
He would be a great addition but you don't need him or anyone bad...

Saying that implies it is doom if they don't land him.
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I disagree. When you have three players on the roster (two of them role players at best) you need talented players bad. He has by far the most potential of anyone we are mentioned with.

I also don’t agree that saying this implies doom if we don’t land him. Minor setback yes, but not doom. My opinion of course.
 
logen said:
I don’t believe anyone, from Shandy on down, were interested in “salvaging” anyone other than the players mentioned at the press conference. Keeping some players, yes, but not under the circumstances that existed under CMA. Players were offered conditions to return and they decided to not accept them.
I believe the decision to potentially jettison most of the players was made before and then in conjunction with the Pitino hiring. I also believe the witnessed practice in February was very eye opening as to the obvious dysfunction within the program. I am certainly not saying anything you don’t know but chemistry and commitment count big time.
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First off, welcome back. I don't doubt anything you're saying, but certainly someone with Rick's experience and savvy, along with staff members like Van, could have salvaged 2-3 more kids IMO. In which case we would have had the building blocks for a very good roster. Even if the overall culture was not a good one, I was hoping that with a new coach and with a largely new roster on the way, a few more of last year's kids would have come around and bought in. At this point it is what it is and I have no doubt that we'll still be fielding a very competitive team next season.
 
fordham96 said:
Who cares are you truly worried that Pitino won't have a roster?

Most of this negative stuff is wishful thinking from people who aren't worried so much as they want to create worry so as to be able to say, See I told you so..

It is all so phony.

He has been the coach for literally 3 weeks. He is remaking the roster it is what he said he was going to do. He is a HOF coach who has won at every stop and won big everywhere. He is generally regarded as one of the best coaches of his generation.

Yet people are acting like "Oh My God Walter Clayton went to Florida what is going to happen, we are going to have 2 star recruits and finish last in the BE, we fired Moke Anderson for this..."
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I’m not worried that we won’t have a roster next year. I’m worried that we won’t have a talented one (or at least one as talented as if we would have kept a number of our former players).

But most of all I’m just disappointed bc I’ve invested myself in our current players and hate this mercenary system that is today’s college basketball.

Agree that Pitino is a great coach and continue to have faith that he will ultimately improve our program. But I continue to be skeptical of some of his recent actions in the short term.
 
I can remember clearly the mentality when LJ left. It was basically "don't let the door hit you on the way out. Now CMA can continue to bring in his own kids" Similarly when the mass exodus occurred after CMA's 2nd season, the attitude was "well CMA got rid of the rest of Mullin's kids(of course some of his kids left too), so now he can have a roster of just his kids". And while it was another situation all together, when Champagnie left many were very quick to dismiss the contributions of a consistant 20PPG scorer/all Big East level player. Claiming his contributions would be shared by Jones and others. Well, none of of those situations panned out as many on here expected. While I'm not comparing Pitino to CMA by any stretch, and while I know there's nothing that can be done at this point(except maybe hope Posh returns), sometimes kids are not as easily replaceable as some anticipate.
 
stjohnnie75 said:
I disagree. When you have three players on the roster (two of them role players at best) you need talented players bad. He has by far the most potential of anyone we are mentioned with.

I also don’t agree that saying this implies doom if we don’t land him. Minor setback yes, but not doom. My opinion of course.
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You are literally acting as if this is October and SJU will have only 3 players.

This won't be the final roster do you really think Pitino is going to fill it out with walk ons?
 
fordham96 said:
Who cares are you truly worried that Pitino won't have a roster?

Most of this negative stuff is wishful thinking from people who aren't worried so much as they want to create worry so as to be able to say, See I told you so..

It is all so phony.

He has been the coach for literally 3 weeks. He is remaking the roster it is what he said he was going to do. He is a HOF coach who has won at every stop and won big everywhere. He is generally regarded as one of the best coaches of his generation.

Yet people are acting like "Oh My God Walter Clayton went to Florida what is going to happen, we are going to have 2 star recruits and finish last in the BE, we fired Moke Anderson for this..."
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Nobody thinks we’re in danger of going into the season with a 2 player roster but while it sounds like there is an unlimited number of players in the portal the reality is there is a very finite number of players that can play big minutes and make a huge impact at the Big East level. Can’t keep swinging and missing on guys and think everything is ok because we’ll just go grab that next stud.

The concern isn’t that we won’t have enough bodies to field a team. It’s that a guy like Sean Conway might go from a 10-12 mpg depth guy to a 22 mpg starter. Just an example
 
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