Revamped Big East

Glad you agree. I don't. I was trying to imply that the BE is in such a piss poor position right now that everyone is going to consider all their other options before they consider the BE.

PS re the NCAA hoops contract that contract is with the NCAA, not the individual conferences or teams so, the conferences or teams are free to walk away based upon their contracts with the NCAA, and I don't think that will be a very hard thing for the BCSers to do if they get further pissed off.

WHO is everyone? There are about 5 schools in contention for "possible" additional membership spots, outside the Big East. The SEC is smart enough not to dilute its revenue sharing so it may add ONE team. The Big Ten is set from all indications. The Pac12 is not expanding. The ACC MAY add two but if they listen to rat-face coach K they will be "basketball" schools. Which leaves us with the Big 12 that may or may not be able to hold on to lowly Missouri! I would surprised if three conferences in the above scenario actually pull the trigger and invite three or four new members this year. The Big East is looking at over 8 programs, so what is the problem?
Yes our commish is a meathead and does not deserve his salary but it is what it is.

As for the NCAA contract, media giants like Fox, CBS and Turner don't like getting plucked by some hayseed college presidents. If a few of the major networks got pissed enough they could start withholding markets from some of these conferences, limit their exposure and dilute their product. ESPN has just so much money to gamble on college viewership. Once the free market is constrained, schools and conferences will start to get low-balled and in the end, the conferences will be the losers.

As for these so-called super conferences bolting and forming their own basketball championship, don't hold your breath! Remember, these are the same conferences and schools that raped and plundered each other and they show no compulsion to cooperate with each other. Television controls everything these schools and conferences do and they will know not to piss Turner,
CBS and Fox off.  
 
... As for these so-called super conferences bolting and forming their own basketball championship, don't hold your breath! Remember, these are the same conferences and schools that raped and plundered each other and they show no compulsion to cooperate with each other. Television controls everything these schools and conferences do and they will know not to piss Turner, CBS and Fox off.  

Big money makes strange bedfellows. 
 
Glad you agree. I don't. I was trying to imply that the BE is in such a piss poor position right now that everyone is going to consider all their other options before they consider the BE.

PS re the NCAA hoops contract that contract is with the NCAA, not the individual conferences or teams so, the conferences or teams are free to walk away based upon their contracts with the NCAA, and I don't think that will be a very hard thing for the BCSers to do if they get further pissed off.

WHO is everyone? There are about 5 schools in contention for "possible" additional membership spots, outside the Big East. The SEC is smart enough not to dilute its revenue sharing so it may add ONE team. The Big Ten is set from all indications. The Pac12 is not expanding. The ACC MAY add two but if they listen to rat-face coach K they will be "basketball" schools. Which leaves us with the Big 12 that may or may not be able to hold on to lowly Missouri! I would surprised if three conferences in the above scenario actually pull the trigger and invite three or four new members this year. The Big East is looking at over 8 programs, so what is the problem?
Yes our commish is a meathead and does not deserve his salary but it is what it is.

 
 

Every single BE football school and every school that's being discussed about being added as two sport schools would jump to any of the other BCS conferences without thinking twice. That's what I mean by everyone.
 
Glad you agree. I don't. I was trying to imply that the BE is in such a piss poor position right now that everyone is going to consider all their other options before they consider the BE.

PS re the NCAA hoops contract that contract is with the NCAA, not the individual conferences or teams so, the conferences or teams are free to walk away based upon their contracts with the NCAA, and I don't think that will be a very hard thing for the BCSers to do if they get further pissed off.

WHO is everyone? There are about 5 schools in contention for "possible" additional membership spots, outside the Big East. The SEC is smart enough not to dilute its revenue sharing so it may add ONE team. The Big Ten is set from all indications. The Pac12 is not expanding. The ACC MAY add two but if they listen to rat-face coach K they will be "basketball" schools. Which leaves us with the Big 12 that may or may not be able to hold on to lowly Missouri! I would surprised if three conferences in the above scenario actually pull the trigger and invite three or four new members this year. The Big East is looking at over 8 programs, so what is the problem?
Yes our commish is a meathead and does not deserve his salary but it is what it is.

 
 

Every single BE football school and every school that's being discussed about being added as two sport schools would jump to any of the other BCS conferences without thinking twice. That's what I mean by everyone.
 

You missed my point! After the scenario I outlined, there is NO PLACE else to go once those three conferences close membership!!

You are assuming every lowly Big East team in football is wanted by the ACC, Big 12 or SEC. The ACC and SEC have already rejected 3 of the six remaining teams. No one has made a pitch for USF. Cincy and UWV? Houston and SMU have better football programs. The biggest coup for the Big 12 would be BYU and Boise State----why aren't those schools jumping at the chance to play in a premier football conference? The answer is projected TV revenue and the chance to be top dog in the BCS AQ conference you end up in once all the plundering has stopped.

Schools like Cincy, Louisville, Uconn, Rutgers will be bottom feeders in the SEC or Big 12 in football. They will never have a chance to supplant at Texas, Oklahoma, Alabama, TCU, etc. In those conferences I think they will rise only to their highest level of mediocrity. If I were a college president and AD I would think twice about placing my school in position to be perennially at the bottom......regardless of the incremental increase in revenue distribution.
A good example of this is the dearly departed Big East members Miami and Boston College. In the past six years neither has accomplished much in basketball in the basketball centric ACC. Being in the ACC has not cornered the northeast recruiting market for BC. Their football program has deteriorated vis-a-vis Florida State, Clemson and Va Tech. Miami is now embroiled in a huge football scandal and does anyone even know they have a basketball team?

It is easy to knock the Big East since their loss of Syracuse and Pitt but they are easily replaceable in football. So are Rutgers and Cincy for that matter. Like it or not, after the plundering, there will still be a Big East in both football and basketball because the BE knows it needs to be a part of the next BCS AQ series in football.
If the NCAA cannot come up with a true playoff formula in football, the remaining power conferences will come up with one of their own. That is why the Big East will want to maintain a football presence.

I doubt the super conferences will ever be cooperative enough for a separate basketball championship since the NCAA formula is now profitable to all schools even with the NCAA taking a huge chunk for itself. To supplant the NCAA, the super conferences would have to set up their own version of the NCAA and that is where their ability to get along for profit-sake would end. Who would dominate decision-making? That is the challenge!

One thing is certain in all these financial maneuverings, the college athletes that allow these greedy college presidents to sell their schools to the highest bidders (conferences and TV) are at the bottom of the benefits pile when all is said and done in the name of the "student-athlete".
 
 Big East, MWC, C-USA considering super conference?

http://www.boston.com/sports/colleges/extras/colleges_blog/

The plan is for football only and would allow the Big East to maintain its membership in basketball and all other sports.
 

I think it's a great idea at this point in time. Time to band up with the other conferences and form a large national conference. If survival mode is in play and the other conferences are going to cherry pick, I think we really should try to overpower them with sheer size. We need to leverage our size into mega-conference tv coverage that spans the US. I know it is for mainly football, but it would still effectively preserve the bball league.

It seems we have no choice at this point. CUSA, Big East, MWC are all getting squeezed. Best bet is to band together. I think it may be the only way to save college basketball as we know it and for e bball only schools to remain nationally viable in a big conference. I'm all for a large conference with divisions. Time to push back. 
 
I dont like 32 team conferences, but if thats the choice or the BE folds I"ll take it. I cant even watch college football anymore, I dont know who to route for. There is no loyalty any more, too much backstabbing and everyone seems to be chasing the allmighty dollar. I.E. ,I rooted for WVU over Syracuse because Syracuse is going to the ACC and WVU is the lone ranked BE team,but next thing you will hear is WVU is going to the B12 
 
I dont like 32 team conferences, but if thats the choice or the BE folds I"ll take it. I cant even watch college football anymore, I dont know who to route for. There is no loyalty any more, too much backstabbing and everyone seems to be chasing the allmighty dollar. I.E. ,I rooted for WVU over Syracuse because Syracuse is going to the ACC and WVU is the lone ranked BE team,but next thing you will hear is WVU is going to the B12 
 

If West Virginia goes to the Big 12, where do they think they will be ranked in the conference? After to losing to lowly Syracuse, I would pick them around 7th in a 10 team conference.

If there is a city more depressing than Morgantown in the Big East, please advise..........thank you Big 12!
 
If forming a mega-conference from coast to coast would stop all this crap we have all endured from the moment Syracuse and Pittsburgh defected, then let's get it done. I am looking for the return of some form of normalcy. As I understand it, most of the move involving the other other conferences would be for football only. If that is true the teams in the BIG EAST are as close as we are going to get to playing teams that we are familiar with. 
 
Mega-conference idea definitely keeps crappy basketball teams from being foisted upon us. But if it happens, and W. Va. leaves, we're down to 13 members. I'd love to see three basketball schools added, but I don't trust the conference to get anything right.

Give me any three out of Temple, Memphis, Butler, Xavier, and Richmond (and probably a few others) and I'm good.
 
 I like the idea of the mega-conference even if it's for football only because if the super conferences decide to secede from the NCAA and form there own organization for all sports then the football model can just be replicated on the basketball side and the basketball only schools like STJ will not get cut out. Would still to add Memphis and Temple for basketball purposes.
 
I don't like the Mega conference idea.

I don't hate it, but I'm not feeling it right now.

I'm not saying that I couldn't be talked into it but I ask myself this question:

"How does this benefit St. John's?"

I just don't see how it does.

Since we don't have a a football program, the only benefit I see is possibly keeping most of the hoops teams still left in the conference as a group, at least for the short term.

But we'd be committing to a conference that would be so large, cumbersome and football-centric that it seems we could have even less input into the future of BE basketball that we do now.

I think the Mega conference idea makes sense for the remaining football programs so that they maintain relevance but for us, where's the upside?
 
I think the Mega conference idea makes sense for the remaining football programs so that they maintain relevance but for us, where's the upside?
 

The upside is keeping UConn and Louisville in our basketball conference. But I guess non-mega-conference scenarios would accomplish that as well if we had a commissioner with a spine and non-devious college presidents.
 
I don't like the Mega conference idea.

I don't hate it, but I'm not feeling it right now.

I'm not saying that I couldn't be talked into it but I ask myself this question:

"How does this benefit St. John's?"

I just don't see how it does.

Since we don't have a a football program, the only benefit I see is possibly keeping most of the hoops teams still left in the conference as a group, at least for the short term.

But we'd be committing to a conference that would be so large, cumbersome and football-centric that it seems we could have even less input into the future of BE basketball that we do now.

I think the Mega conference idea makes sense for the remaining football programs so that they maintain relevance but for us, where's the upside?
 

The mega conference is a football conference.
The hoop conference will look just as it does new, with a few additions.
 
:( Big East mistakes of the past: committing to football, throwing Temple out of league, allowing ND to join all sports except football, making it easy to leave league, adding new members with no thought to geography.
What will commissiner and presidents come up with next?? BB schools need their own voice.
 
I don't like the Mega conference idea.

I don't hate it, but I'm not feeling it right now.

I'm not saying that I couldn't be talked into it but I ask myself this question:

"How does this benefit St. John's?"

I just don't see how it does.

Since we don't have a a football program, the only benefit I see is possibly keeping most of the hoops teams still left in the conference as a group, at least for the short term.

But we'd be committing to a conference that would be so large, cumbersome and football-centric that it seems we could have even less input into the future of BE basketball that we do now.

I think the Mega conference idea makes sense for the remaining football programs so that they maintain relevance but for us, where's the upside?
 

The upside is two-fold. First and foremost, the bball league as it stands stays together. Second is that there will be added media nationally. The marketability overall will increase. It will continue to keep the Big East basketball product alive, which is all I really care about.
 
http://twitter.com/#!/PeteThamelNYT

so that's the kabosh!

on the other hand...a football merger would set the stage for a similar basketball merger with atlantic ten, colonial and other conference elites.

big east football is the beggar with the cup asking everyone, "please??" big east basketball is strong enough to lure elites everywhere who want to play in the best conference in the country. get out of the fetal position, marinetto, and get on it!!
 
the tweet says...

Big East is not considering the mega-merger plan reported earlier today. They haven't even seen it. Focused on growing to 12.

 
 
:( Big East mistakes of the past: committing to football, throwing Temple out of league, allowing ND to join all sports except football, making it easy to leave league, adding new members with no thought to geography.
What will commissiner and presidents come up with next?? BB schools need their own voice.
 

There have been plenty of mistakes, but IMHO, the biggest was not accepting Penn State as a member when they applied way back when. 
 
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