Revamped Big East

 The league likely will be stronger on the football side than before if all goes as it seems to be going.
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Bball will be a hair less good,
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Um, more than a hair. You can't lose two perennial top-10 (if not top-5) programs, replace them with schools that count it a good year if they get an NCAA bid, and describe the dropoff as "a hair less good."
but the bright side is that it will still likely be the strongest league around.
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true.
Is it really going to upset anybody that much if SJU doesn't have Cuse and Pitt in our way to the top of the league??
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Fwiw, I like Houston for all sports. They have a nice basketball tradition.  They have a lot more final 4's than we domand have been to a national championship. They are a good fit bball-wise. The new schools will just need to make the right coaching hires as the league itself will draw talent. If the football schools get thei BCS bid, the league will be fine and more successful than before.
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it is true that the new league would need some programs, new or old, to step forward on the basketball side. I don't think it will be Houston, which is if anything worse than SJU in thinking that its glory days were yesterday as opposed to decades ago. But who knows.
Need a new commish though.
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If Marinatto is able to bring in Boise, Air Force, Navy, Houston, SMU, Central Florida and maybe Temple or Memphis, get the football schools to commit to the league, provide long term stability, raise the exit fee, keep the BCS bid, get a TV contract, and stop the internecine squabbling, I think you have to give him the credit he's due. Maybe he will have been more reactive than active, and maybe he wasn't as aggressive as some would have liked (I would have liked to take 4 from the Big 12 instead of the current scenario), but at the end of the day that would be a fine result given the challenges he had and the landscape that is developing.

OTOH, he hasn't gotten it done yet, so lets' see what happens.
 
it is true that the new league would need some programs, new or old, to step forward on the basketball side. I don't think it will be Houston, which is if anything worse than SJU in thinking that its glory days were yesterday as opposed to decades ago. But who knows.
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I go back and forth on whether adding Houston is something I like or hate, but they do have two highly rated guys coming in for next season. If they get admitted to the Big East, their recruiting will get even better. I honestly have no clue who is coaching them now, but he seems to have them headed in the right direction personnel wise. 
 
To elaborate, if this goes through, here it is by sport and East-West division:

Big East Basketball (16 schools, 8 East 8 West)

Cincinnati (W)
Depaul (W)
Georgetown (E)
Houston (W)
Louisville (W)
Marquette (W)
Notre Dame (W)
Providence (E)
Rutgers (E)
SJU (E)
SHU (E)
SMU (W)
yukon (E)
USF (E)
Villanova (E)
W Va (W)

Note that to balance the basketball conference, West Virginia had to be shifted to the West division, although its in the East for football.
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You fogot UCF.
As an aside, this will make it tougher for our baseball team.
 
The reallignment issue may not be as settled as new sources reported yesterday.
 
The reallignment issue may not be as settled as new sources reported yesterday.
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Yes, it is rumored that Villanova will field a D1 BCS caliber football team next year made up entirlely of transfers from Boise State and get an invitation to the ACC. Rumor has it the Big East will actually waive the 27 month exit for them but the $5 million fee will be paid by the same Nova Billionare donor that is building them a new 40,000 seat stadium in Radnor at the cost of $200 million.

This now opens the door for Temple to join the Big East!

Now if you believe this honorable judge then you also will believe it will not snow in upstate New York! LOL!
 
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/colleges/villanova/131835308.html

Temple, Villanova on edge as Big East deliberates
October 14, 2011



If the Big East's current working expansion plan becomes its final plan - and the plan is "congealing" pretty fast, according to one league source - the chants from Temple's student section won't be pretty when Villanova visits the Liacouras Center for a hoops game in December.

According to several Big East sources, after another conference call Thursday, the league is moving closer to an expansion plan that has many, many moving parts, based on schools both coming and going. Right now the top working model includes adding Temple for football only, and no move-up to the Big East for Villanova football.  

BTW, it was another great day for Nova football losing to JMU! They are now 1-6.
Powerhose Pitt also showed why they belong in the ACC losing to Utah at home!
 
Don't think the football schools are particularly interested in bringing in Memphis (big stadium but low attendance), but of all the schools mentioned, they would certainly give the basketball schools the biggest boost. These others schools just aren't doing it for me.
 
Don't think the football schools are particularly interested in bringing in Memphis (big stadium but low attendance), but of all the schools mentioned, they would certainly give the basketball schools the biggest boost. These others schools just aren't doing it for me.
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I assume you mean they are not doing it for you in a basketball-sense. This is about football and the remaining schools, both football and BB, will still be stronger than the ACC in basketball if they stay. We will know by the end of this week!
 
. We will know by the end of this week!
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Is that the deadline 72?
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It is more like "beat the next B12 invitation" rather than a deadline. A few media folks are hearing Wednesday is the day the invitations will be extended to the football schools so as to lock in the current six to the increased exit fee. If Air Force and Boise bite, then all the football schools will be on board. As you know, Navy is waiting to see if Air Force accepts. Central Florida is already on board. Because of the ConfUSA merger, the BE wants to move the timetable up to this week, especially with Missouri hanging out there in the Big12 dilemma.

The worst case scenario now seems to be if the above does not materialize, no exit fee increase and ECU, Memphis, UCF and Temple would join for all sports but all the football schools would, in effect, remain free agents and thus leave any TV deals in limbo. Because money talks, don't expect the worst case scenario.
 
. We will know by the end of this week!
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Is that the deadline 72?
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It is more like "beat the next B12 invitation" rather than a deadline. A few media folks are hearing Wednesday is the day the invitations will be extended to the football schools so as to lock in the current six to the increased exit fee. If Air Force and Boise bite, then all the football schools will be on board. As you know, Navy is waiting to see if Air Force accepts. Central Florida is already on board. Because of the ConfUSA merger, the BE wants to move the timetable up to this week, especially with Missouri hanging out there in the Big12 dilemma.

The worst case scenario now seems to be if the above does not materialize, no exit fee increase and ECU, Memphis, UCF and Temple would join for all sports but all the football schools would, in effect, remain free agents and thus leave any TV deals in limbo. Because money talks, don't expect the worst case scenario.
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I'd like to add Memphis and Temple anyway for basketball puposes and also as protection just in case we loose a couple of the football schools in the future in spite of the increase in the exit fee.
 
Totally agree-Temple and Memphis would be great for hoops and Temple seems like up and comer in ft ball and if Memphis makes more of a commitment no reason they cannot return to the respectability they used to enjoy. If we get Boise AF Houston SMU and CF ftball will be better than ever because Cuse and Pitt haven't been world beaters for awhile and I forgot to mention Navy. 
 
Totally agree-Temple and Memphis would be great for hoops and Temple seems like up and comer in ft ball and if Memphis makes more of a commitment no reason they cannot return to the respectability they used to enjoy. If we get Boise AF Houston SMU and CF ftball will be better than ever because Cuse and Pitt haven't been world beaters for awhile and I forgot to mention Navy. 
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The football divisions would give the Big East a broad "national" television appeal that the ACC lacks, even with the addition of basketball powers Pitt and Syracuse. Big East basketball would also enter three huge TV markets in Dallas, Houston and Orlando/Central Florida.

That type of market appeal will put the Big East ahead of the ACC for both football and basketball and likely bring in a bigger long-term offer from NBC or Fox.

Pitt and Syracuse may have shot themselves in the foot if the Big East ends up with a better contract for its members and a bigger national audience!

Ah KARMA!!!!!
 
Nothing would be greater than for the Big East to get a bigger contract with NBC, have ND join in FB and still maintain the BB supremacy all the while making Pitt and Cuse stay for 27 months and watch it unfold.
Bye Bye. 
 
Disagree with Robbins assertion that Cuse gives ACC foothold in NY market. Except for the 10,000 or so hooples that go to the Garden to watch Cuse basketball nobody in NYC area cares about the downtrodden Syr football program.  
 
 IMO, Robbins is right about the NY market in a way. Rutgers is much better poised to land the lower NY market. Nobody in lower NY cares about Syracuse football AT ALL. This is about football, right? The ACC made a mistake with Syracuse and BC as well. They give them little exposure in markets that are actually valuable. I think Robbins is correct in that the new version of the Big East will actually be more attractive on the football side than before despite losing Pitt and Cuse. The bigger loss was Pitt football-wise. They don't care about bball anyway.

We are poised now to have a nice national football conference overall with quite a few additions. The bball side lost two real good teams, but is still a top bball conference without them, considering that we were sending 8-10 teams yearly to the NCAA anyway. With the right basketball coach, Houston is primed to be quite a basketball school. They have the history. The rest will be fine in time with added conference exposure.

Some thought that the Big East schools made a mistake by not striking early. Maybe not so dumb to wait till dust settles after all..
 
 Houston Basketball does seem like its coming back with 2 top 100 recruits for 2012. If they go to the Big East the recruiting could get even better there.
 
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