Revamped Big East

 Here is a NY post article on expansion

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/big_east_to_invite_six_VYHt8ArQpLKGN5Cz8tZSlM
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Would be very short-sighted to invite Temple as football only.

The Comcast/NBC angle is pretty interesting....
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Temple needs to be ALL sports. They have a great bball tradition and are ranked one spot AHEAD of SJU in All-time wins and one spot behind use. They'd be a natural replacement for Syracuse.
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Nova worried about being in the same city as Temple, get over it! Rutgers and SHU are just as close physically to St. Johns as Temple is to Nova. RU and SHU recruit out of the same area and share the same TV market as SJU so shut up and do what is in the best interest of the league!!! 
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If the Big East presidents do not invite Temple, CFU, and Houston or Memphis for ALL sports, they deserve to fold! I cannot be any more blunt than that!
To save the pitiful football schools, they also need Air Force and Navy.
As for Villanova, they better hope Jay Wright stays there a long time because their football program is in the toilet.
I am not confident the nitwits in Providence can get any of this done. If all the dominoes fall, the Providence Mafia falls. Then I see a whole new league administration somewhere and the politically incorrect "Catholic Conference" can take its shape in the sign of the Holy Trinity that wants to run it in Notre Dame, Georgetown and Seton Hall.

If you guys think some football school presidents can obfuscate things and hinder progress wait until you see a dozen Catholic priests who think their religious order is better than the other!
 
 Ten teams

St. John's (New York)
Seton Hall (metro New Jersey)
Providence (New England)
Villanova (Philly/ New Jersey)
Georgetown (DC metro area)
Marquette (Milwaukee)
DePaul (Chicago)
Notre Dame (national)
Xavier (Cincinnati)
Butler (Indianapolis SMSA population = 1,756,241)
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alternate if one of the above declines: Dayton (population of 841,502)
 
 Ten teams

St. John's (New York)
Seton Hall (metro New Jersey)
Providence (New England)
Villanova (Philly/ New Jersey)
Georgetown (DC metro area)
Marquette (Milwaukee)
DePaul (Chicago)
Notre Dame (national)
Xavier (Cincinnati)
Butler (Indianapolis SMSA population = 1,756,241)

OTIS, they would need 16 teams to be respectable and be a player on the national stage to get the TV $$$.

To your list they would need to add --
St. Louis
Dayton--for sure
Detroit
Duqesnse
LaSalle
St. Joe's
Davidson (there is a name for you to keep the conference balanced, Christianity-wise)






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alternate if one of the above declines: Dayton (population of 841,502)
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 Here is a NY post article on expansion

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/big_east_to_invite_six_VYHt8ArQpLKGN5Cz8tZSlM
Click to expand...
 

Would be very short-sighted to invite Temple as football only.

The Comcast/NBC angle is pretty interesting....
Click to expand...
 

Temple needs to be ALL sports. They have a great bball tradition and are ranked one spot AHEAD of SJU in All-time wins and one spot behind use. They'd be a natural replacement for Syracuse.
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Nova worried about being in the same city as Temple, get over it! Rutgers and SHU are just as close physically to St. Johns as Temple is to Nova. RU and SHU recruit out of the same area and share the same TV market as SJU so shut up and do what is in the best interest of the league!!! 
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If the Big East presidents do not invite Temple, CFU, and Houston or Memphis for ALL sports, they deserve to fold! I cannot be any more blunt than that!
To save the pitiful football schools, they also need Air Force and Navy.
As for Villanova, they better hope Jay Wright stays there a long time because their football program is in the toilet.
I am not confident the nitwits in Providence can get any of this done. If all the dominoes fall, the Providence Mafia falls. Then I see a whole new league administration somewhere and the politically incorrect "Catholic Conference" can take its shape in the sign of the Holy Trinity that wants to run it in Notre Dame, Georgetown and Seton Hall.

If you guys think some football school presidents can obfuscate things and hinder progress wait until you see a dozen Catholic priests who think their religious order is better than the other!
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They need to invite Temple, Memphis, Houston and SMU for all sports and UCF for football at least with the three service acadamies. that will save the league. Marinatto is not going for broke here. He's doing things half assed as usual. How can Memphis not even be in the conversation. SMU also to create a rivalry with Houston and get access to the most furtile college football recruiting ground in Texas. This guy Marinatto is lost thinking about creating two leagues under the Big East label (bball and Fball) with seperate governing bodies but marketing them togther for TV negotiations. He's making this more difficult than it has to be by doing it that way. The schools are out there to be had, they can do this , he has to think bigger. 18 basketball schools and 14 football schools and get that Texas market and the national appeal of all three service acadamies along with the basketball prowess of Temple and Memphis. That in time could be a better football league than they have now and just as good a basketball league.
 
 Does anyone know if Nova is going to be listed as all sports? I have a hypothetical question. What would happen if the non-football schools voted to block Nova as a football team? So the only way they could stay in the BIG EAST would be as a basketball only member, unless of course they would talk turkey with the league allowing Temple into the league as all sport member? Just asking!
 
 Does anyone know if Nova is going to be listed as all sports? I have a hypothetical question. What would happen if the non-football schools voted to block Nova as a football team? So the only way they could stay in the BIG EAST would be as a basketball only member, unless of course they would talk turkey with the league allowing Temple into the league as all sport member? Just asking!
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nova was voted down for football this past spring.
I would expect/hope more members vote them down next time they try this sh!t.
 
Villanova has withdrawn its request to be a member of the Big East Football Conference.

Temple will not be admitted as an all sport member of the Big East Conference It failed to collect sufficient support among the voting members of the Big East conference.

In my opinion, St.John's long term interests would be better served by a forming a conference that focuses on men's basketball that does not include BCS football schools. Bridesmaids rutgers, west virginia, Yukon, louisville and sincinnati will bail on the Big East if opportunity arises.

Time to move on; the RedStorm Tip off game is November 14th, exactly one month from today. I am looking forward to watching the D'Angelo Harrison show.
 
Villanova has withdrawn its request to be a member of the Big East Football Conference.

Temple will not be admitted as an all sport member of the Big East Conference It failed to collect sufficient support among the voting members of the Big East conference.

In my opinion, St.John's long term interests would be better served by a forming a conference that focuses on men's basketball that does not include BCS football schools. Bridesmaids rutgers, west virginia, Yukon, louisville and sincinnati will bail on the Big East if opportunity arises.

Time to move on; the RedStorm Tip off game is November 14th, exactly one month from today. I am looking forward to watching the D'Angelo Harrison show.
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I doubt the opportunity will arise, but we'll see. No reason to sink the ship. It will sink itself down the line if it is going to. No reason to help it along. A big conference with both football and bball schools is the way to go.

Im still a little dismayed that Nova sunk the Temple ship for both sports.
 
Villanova has withdrawn its request to be a member of the Big East Football Conference.

Temple will not be admitted as an all sport member of the Big East Conference It failed to collect sufficient support among the voting members of the Big East conference.

In my opinion, St.John's long term interests would be better served by a forming a conference that focuses on men's basketball that does not include BCS football schools. Bridesmaids rutgers, west virginia, Yukon, louisville and sincinnati will bail on the Big East if opportunity arises.

Time to move on; the RedStorm Tip off game is November 14th, exactly one month from today. I am looking forward to watching the D'Angelo Harrison show.
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Really?
So no ACC?
FU&* nova.
 
Villanova has withdrawn its request to be a member of the Big East Football Conference.

Temple will not be admitted as an all sport member of the Big East Conference It failed to collect sufficient support among the voting members of the Big East conference.
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OTIS,
Where was their withdrawal made public?
Why did they apply for ACC membership in BOTH sports just 6 weeks ago??
If they withdrew for football, why would they be concerned about Temple?? Would the ass-whipping Temple handed them in football 2 weeks ago have anything to do with it?
What other schools opposed Temple?
For a pompous school with the balls to apply for ACC membership, Nova sure does not seem confident in its own back yard!
They obviously want to stay Philadephia's suburban visitors when it comes to Big Five sports!
What a bunch of Pus**ease!
 
more news:

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32718514

sounds like the BE is going to take the best 4 teams from the Mountain West and CUSA. Big East gets to 10, the new conference goes down to 18.

Then it's a race to see if the BE ends up outranking the new CUSA..

If BE gets Boise, Air Force, Navy, Houston, and SMU then the conference is probably saved. It would likely bring stability, retain the automatic BCS bid, and keep all current members.

From a basketball standpoint, it does nothing to replace the two losses, but as some of the BE coaches point out, it would still be overall the best basketball conference in the country, at least judging by NCAA bids from teams remaining in the conference over the last few years.

Not adding Temple and Memphis is a big disappointment, though. Those schools both play football and would have been better basketball fits than Houston or SMU.

i can see needing Houston and SMU to go with Air Force and Boise to make a BE West. I'm just saying add Temple and Memphis ALSO. 
 
If Hofstra was alive and in position to help save the Big East with their football program, I don't think St. John's would shoot them down. Villanova really has sucked throughout this whole process.
 
To elaborate, if this goes through, here it is by sport and East-West division:

Big East Football (11 schools, 6 West 5 East)

Air Force (W)
Boise (W)
Cincinnati (W)
Houston (W)
Louisville (W)
Navy (E)
Rutgers (E)
SMU (W)
UConn (E)
USF (E)
W VA (E)

Big East Basketball (16 schools, 8 East 8 West)

Cincinnati (W)
Depaul (W)
Georgetown (E)
Houston (W)
Louisville (W)
Marquette (W)
Notre Dame (W)
Providence (E)
Rutgers (E)
SJU (E)
SHU (E)
SMU (W)
UConn (E)
USF (E)
Villanova (E)
W Va (W)

Note that to balance the basketball conference, West Virginia had to be shifted to the West division, although its in the East for football.
 
To elaborate, if this goes through, here it is by sport and East-West division:

Big East Football (11 schools, 6 West 5 East)

Air Force (W)
Boise (W)
Cincinnati (W)
Houston (W)
Louisville (W)
Navy (E)
Rutgers (E)
SMU (W)
UConn (E)
USF (E)
W VA (E)

Big East Basketball (16 schools, 8 East 8 West)

Cincinnati (W)
Depaul (W)
Georgetown (E)
Houston (W)
Louisville (W)
Marquette (W)
Notre Dame (W)
Providence (E)
Rutgers (E)
SJU (E)
SHU (E)
SMU (W)
UConn (E)
USF (E)
Villanova (E)
W Va (W)

Note that to balance the basketball conference, West Virginia had to be shifted to the West division, although its in the East for football.
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Even without Syracuse and Pitt, NINE of the proposed basketball schools went to the NCAA Tourney in 2011. If they added Memphis and Temple, it would have been ELEVEN!!

I think Memphis had no chance due to academics.
 
I thought you needed 12 teams in order to hold a conference championship game, per NCAA rules.
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here's more: I'm done making fictitious conferences until they decide who's in the league, but it looks like add Central Florida. There's no mention of Navy here, but if they add Navy for football then that's 12.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...east-sends-invites-five-schools-hike-exit-fee

The key is clearly the Boise-Air Force-Houston-SMU group. That provides quality football and new tv markets for the league.

The rest is who's interested and who the BE is interested in (Central Florida, East Carolina, Temple, Memphis, Navy, etc)
 
To elaborate, if this goes through, here it is by sport and East-West division:

Big East Football (11 schools, 6 West 5 East)

Air Force (W)
Boise (W)
Cincinnati (W)
Houston (W)
Louisville (W)
Navy (E)
Rutgers (E)
SMU (W)
UConn (E)
USF (E)
W VA (E)

Big East Basketball (16 schools, 8 East 8 West)

Cincinnati (W)
Depaul (W)
Georgetown (E)
Houston (W)
Louisville (W)
Marquette (W)
Notre Dame (W)
Providence (E)
Rutgers (E)
SJU (E)
SHU (E)
SMU (W)
UConn (E)
USF (E)
Villanova (E)
W Va (W)

Note that to balance the basketball conference, West Virginia had to be shifted to the West division, although its in the East for football.
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This is exactly what I was talking about in an earlier post. If they add Temple and Memphis also, It s a better football league and just as strong a basketball league. They must add Temple and Memphis also. Villanova needs to get on board here. If they don't add Memphis and Temple the league will probably still survive but Marinatto as usual is really missing the boat to put together something really solid. With Memphis and Temple our Bball league would still be better than the ACC even with Pitt and Cuse.
 
Interesting to note that if SMU gets in, than old friend, and St John's coaching candidate Matt Doherty will be going up against the Johnnies. 
 
 The league likely will be stronger on the football side than before if all goes as it seems to be going. Bball will be a hair less good, but the bright side is that it will still likely be the strongest league around. Is it really going to upset anybody that much if SJU doesn't have Cuse and Pitt in our way to the top of the league?? Fwiw, I like Houston for all sports. They have a nice basketball tradition.  They have a lot more final 4's than we domand have been to a national championship. They are a good fit bball-wise. The new schools will just need to make the right coaching hires as the league itself will draw talent. If the football schools get thei BCS bid, the league will be fine and more successful than before. Need a new commish though.
 
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