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Yeah not sure if theyd be up for football only though. It would be a good get but I believe theyd chose B10 before us if we dont offer full sports. Travel would be tough, so yeah that may be a problem.
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Yeah not sure if theyd be up for football only though. It would be a good get but I believe theyd chose B10 before us if we dont offer full sports. Travel would be tough, so yeah that may be a problem.
I dont think, considering the current break up of conferences, that getting Navy, Army and Air Force is a bad thing. It is true that they are weak in basketball but these teams traditionally play strong defense and would be good tests during the course of any season. They will probably never really be dominant basketball teams for a number of reasons. But if we get these 3 and can add 2 credible basketball teams it would be the best of possible scenarios. The basketball scene is changing but remember this. UConn was never a power program until it got into the big east and Calhoun built the program. Boeheim is also responsible for Syracuse success. The BE was responsible for the success of West Va. St Johns was a perennial basketball success for nearly 75 yrs or more before the Big East. When Calhoun and Boeheim leave things will be different at those schools.As for West Va no one will want to play in the mountains of nowhere land. I believe Lavin can build this program back to the top of the class. Let the teams that want to go leave and let them build a new BE
I can't speak for everyone, but never in a million years would I watch a UCF game. I'd definitely watch Boise St. whenever they are on, however. And 20+ years later, I still have fond memories of Dee Dowis, so I'd probably tune in to an Air Force game.
I really like the names I'm seeing right now. I think the basketball-only schools are finally flexing some muscle behind the scenes. Or at least that is my hope.
Let the Big 12 go after Boisi st. and BYU .and leave WV and UL for the BE..SDSU and Gonzaga are to far west. Military acadamies are a must. The most important thing is stability. If the BE gets commitments from current members ,things will fall into place. Schools like Temple and Memphis will be looking to join.At this point analyzing which teams are in the east or western div. is a bit premature. we are still in survival mode.
Redken, I concur and believe your thinking is sound. Just when SJU has turned it around and seems to be set to return to its rightful place in college basketball the world falls apart. What kind of karma is that? For years now many on this board have expected this and called for a Catholic league which I believe is completely unsound.
The league (BIg East) needs to be cohesive and not bound by members looking for the next payday. It also needs to be diverse which is what makes it interesting to members, students, and fans alike. I hope that all of this expansion slows, the league stabilizes and Lavin lead us back and is in it for the long term.
It means that something happened in the range of possibilities between 1 person hit the "minus" key next to your karma 5 times and 5 people hitting it one time each.
A -5 karma is nothing. You need either a lot of people disliking you a little or one person disliking you a whole bunch to get into -10,000 territory.
That, or a mod with an itchy trigger finger and a whole lot of time on his hands.
It means that something happened in the range of possibilities between 1 person hit the "minus" key next to your karma 5 times and 5 people hitting it one time each.
A -5 karma is nothing. You need either a lot of people disliking you a little or one person disliking you a whole bunch to get into -10,000 territory.
That, or a mod with an itchy trigger finger and a whole lot of time on his hands.
Lawman, thanks for the explanation. I thought maybe it had with to do with how I've been living my life, or maybe how I how bad I may have been in a previous life. Knowing that my minus 5 karma is, in your words, "nothing," I can sleep soundly tonight -- except for those reoccurring nightmares about the future the Big East and, more importantly, the future of St. John's basketball.
jerseyshorejohnny
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Was looking at The Asbury Park Press a few seconds ago and noticed that according to multiple sources (so the paper states), the Big East is considering Air force, Army and Navy as football-only members, while Central Florida, East Carolina and Temple are being discussed for all sports. Villanova would also be considered should the university decide to climb to the FBS level.
Not sure if this was posted yet.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/sorry_big_east_U22xibwuFceRSIp0ZONh5O
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/sorry_big_east_U22xibwuFceRSIp0ZONh5O
I am amazed how gitty some on this site are over the prospect that
Central Florida, ECU, SMU and Houston may become members of
the Big East.
In my opinion St.John's interests interests are better served breaking
away with the Big East basketball schools and forming the CYO.
UCF, USF, ECU, SMU and Houston have sport teams that are irrelevant
within their own states much less the nation. Please call anyone you
know that lives in the state of Florida and asek them if they know anyone
that has UCF or USF as their favorite team. Everyone I know in Florida
cheers for Florida, Florida State, Miami, or SEC teams before they think
of USF or UCF. Likewise a business associate from Houston said they
did not know of a single person that has Houston as a favorite team or
even follows their scores.
The point is that the "CYO" league is not my first hope for St.John's but
I fear playing basketball lightweights USF, UCF, SMU, Houston, ECU and
others will water down the St.John's basketball brand more than a conference
including newbies Xavier, Butler and Dayton.
I invite any of the USF, UCF, SMU, Houston, or ECU cheerleaders on the
siteto explain how the interests of st.John's are served by coupling with
these basketball lightweights. Thanks.
Central Florida, ECU, SMU and Houston may become members of
the Big East.
In my opinion St.John's interests interests are better served breaking
away with the Big East basketball schools and forming the CYO.
UCF, USF, ECU, SMU and Houston have sport teams that are irrelevant
within their own states much less the nation. Please call anyone you
know that lives in the state of Florida and asek them if they know anyone
that has UCF or USF as their favorite team. Everyone I know in Florida
cheers for Florida, Florida State, Miami, or SEC teams before they think
of USF or UCF. Likewise a business associate from Houston said they
did not know of a single person that has Houston as a favorite team or
even follows their scores.
The point is that the "CYO" league is not my first hope for St.John's but
I fear playing basketball lightweights USF, UCF, SMU, Houston, ECU and
others will water down the St.John's basketball brand more than a conference
including newbies Xavier, Butler and Dayton.
I invite any of the USF, UCF, SMU, Houston, or ECU cheerleaders on the
siteto explain how the interests of st.John's are served by coupling with
these basketball lightweights. Thanks.
tom in salem
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It enables us to keep yukon, WV & L'ville.
It's that simple.
alexd.
Well-known member
"Breaking away" from the football schools sounds all well and good. It's not that simple though. Short of all out amicable negotiations between the football and hoops sides, there are two ways to do this.
1. a 75% vote is needed to "expel" a school, The hoops schools do not have the votes to expel the football schools.
2. Hoops schools pack up and secede. But in doing so, they lose the conference name, BET and have to pay the $5 mil exit fee. I'm not positive what happens with the NCAA tourney credits.
1. a 75% vote is needed to "expel" a school, The hoops schools do not have the votes to expel the football schools.
2. Hoops schools pack up and secede. But in doing so, they lose the conference name, BET and have to pay the $5 mil exit fee. I'm not positive what happens with the NCAA tourney credits.
jrhoops1949
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If Cincy leaves and it's a hoops only league, X a good fit. I don't get the vomit. How many BE teams do u think the hoops part of the conference needs? Only so many ways to split the money. Another hoops only school in Cincy not needed. Nova ok's Temple, and USF ok's Central because it's football teams that are needed to save the conference.
If we come out of this with the only substantial Hoops addition being Temple I'm gonna puke.
Throw in Xavier and I won't miss Pitt or Cuse in the least.
jrhoops1949
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And the ACC takes over the Garden in the spring.
If Cincy leaves and it's a hoops only league, X a good fit. I don't get the vomit. How many BE teams do u think the hoops part of the conference needs? Only so many ways to split the money. Another hoops only school in Cincy not needed. Nova ok's Temple, and USF ok's Central because it's football teams that are needed to save the conference.
If we come out of this with the only substantial Hoops addition being Temple I'm gonna puke.
Throw in Xavier and I won't miss Pitt or Cuse in the least.
We can debate what Teams like UCF bring and more importantly don't bring to the table til the cows come home.
I get the dynamics of having to have football to save the BE conference and prevent the Hoops teams from being cast off on their own.
Bottom line is this...we lost two power house hoops programs (so far). They need to be replaced with quality hoops programs with room for growth.
But if we are replacing Pitt and Syracuse with Temple and UCF hoops were are getting screwed.
Add all the football only teams to the league you want. I really don't care.
But like it or not, the big east is a basketball conference past, present, and even more so in the future. Losing site of that now due to panic or short sightedness will only hurt us down the road.
If Xavier can't get in due to Cincinnati (a BS argument once you add Temple) then go get Memphis or Butler...or St Louis...or.....