tom in salem
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I'll bet endee, more than anyone here, wants the BE to stay together.
It enables their football team to remain independent.
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I'll bet endee, more than anyone here, wants the BE to stay together.
It enables their football team to remain independent.
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Not a shock here! The Big East may have broken the record for unproductive meetings in the realignment world of college sports! Yes, they need to clear the air regarding what BE members are married to the BE but secretly want to date the ACC, SEC or B12 and best to set the fees in motion. Twenty million to exit immediately (2012), $15 million with a 27 month waiting period or start planning for the long-term future and stability for all member schools.
There is too much double talk by the presidents and now even the basketball coaches like Brey and Boeheim. It is ironic that Jimmy B said that the BE conference Syracuse is leaving is not the conference they helped found because there are now teams from Florida, Ohio, Texas and Kentucky! Well somebody should give him a geography lesson! The ACC is in Florida, Georgia, North Carolina, Virginia, Maryland, Mass and Pennsylvania! What was his point???? It was his school, along with the other so-called football schools that pushed for Miami, VaTech and TCU! These were going to be the so-called super-football powers in the Big East. None of them were able to dominate, even in the weak BE, so they took their footballs and ran away. Schools like Miami, BC, Syracuse and Pitt should have made better efforts while in the BE! It was the football-playing schools that set the process in motion to devalue the Big East brand. Time for the remaining BE football schools to look in the mirror and fix their "football programs" before blaming the BB schools for their lack of football star-power.
Tom, he is on the same page as many of us fans. Those are solid football-playing schools but with fantastic bball pedigree. All 3 should be welcomed with open arms. Houston makes sense and are part of the Texas market. The bball-only schools should offer up those 3 and take it or leave it for the football schools. F#$K the football schools is right. Temple, Memphis and Houston would be great additions and are not coveted by the mega-conferences. In time they could all play solid football as well.
The basketball league would be excellent and wouldn't lose much from Cuse, Pitt and TCU. Houston hoops history is much greater than TCU. Cuse has a fantastic history but so does Temple. Memphis isn't so much different than Pitt. Fantastic bball support and strong recent history. I see a lot of similarities and we wouldn't lose much of a step marketing the basketball conference nationally, and maintain a great Big East Tourney. The existing schools should have nothing to complain about with the addition of those 3. They all play football and draw more than 30K per game to their games.
1) Raise the exit fee and get everybody on board.
2) Invite Temple, Memphis and Houston. If the football schools like they can also take Navy for football-only, I really don't care.
What you fail to mention is that it was Notre Dame that really is responsible. ND never wanted to share the football. if they had, Miami would never have left nor would BC or Va Tech. Ironically, now I read how the ACC or some other conferences are trying to woo ND. ND came to the BE for one reason- to build their basketball program and be in the spotlight of many of its alum who are in the northeast. They never wanted to help the BE by sharing football. Isnt greed one of the 7 deadly sins? Shame on ND
tom in salem
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The only reason endee came to the BE was because no other conference would have allowed them to join without football being part of the package.
Take the football out of the equation, it has no bearing to them.
I think of them in the same vein as all of the "BB only" schools.
Trust me, they have a very huge stake in the BE continuing.
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I doubt Rutgers and Uconn will get an invitation to join the ACC any time soon as the ACC has already started to renegotiate its ESPN deal to divide the spoils from its rape of the Big East.
Updated: October 7, 2011, 3:05 PM ET
John Swofford: ACC reopens TV talks
Associated Press
Commissioner John Swofford said Friday the Atlantic Coast Conference has begun talks to renegotiate its television deal with ESPN after deciding to expand to 14 teams.
BTW, ONE TEAM will decide if there will be further expansion in the other so-called super conferences---Missouri.
The Big East will add 3 to 4 teams and will survive to negotiate a TV deal and thus offer stability to existing members. I think the Big East holding Syracuse and Pitt to the fire on the 27 month departure timeframe has opened the dreamy eyes of Uconn, Rutgers and Villanova since they now know they would have to be bridesmaids until 2014 or as lats as 2016 UNLESS they pay big bucks. I would rather charge them a $20 mil early exit fee and move on. More exit fee money to divide amongst members and the faster new members can be integrated.
Updated: October 7, 2011, 3:05 PM ET
John Swofford: ACC reopens TV talks
Associated Press
Commissioner John Swofford said Friday the Atlantic Coast Conference has begun talks to renegotiate its television deal with ESPN after deciding to expand to 14 teams.
BTW, ONE TEAM will decide if there will be further expansion in the other so-called super conferences---Missouri.
The Big East will add 3 to 4 teams and will survive to negotiate a TV deal and thus offer stability to existing members. I think the Big East holding Syracuse and Pitt to the fire on the 27 month departure timeframe has opened the dreamy eyes of Uconn, Rutgers and Villanova since they now know they would have to be bridesmaids until 2014 or as lats as 2016 UNLESS they pay big bucks. I would rather charge them a $20 mil early exit fee and move on. More exit fee money to divide amongst members and the faster new members can be integrated.
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I was referring to Syracuse and Pitt. Both want OUT after this season. Instead of $5 million I would start the early exit fee penalty at $20 mil! If the ACC $$ are that attractive and knowing full well the damage they have done to the stability, both financial and brand, I think they should settle with their former partners and get the frock out. I would like to know who the 4 schools are that would vote against the increase exit fee! That would tell us if they should negotiate an out also so the basketball schools and remaining football schools can rebuild with Houston, Memphis, Temple, UCF, Navy, Air Force and ECU, if necessary.
One thing is pretty certain for this year, if Missouri stays in the B12, I think it is the Big East that will be adding teams and they should be aggressive and not look at just football schools but also Xavier, Butler and Dayton.
Good lord. On what planet are Syracuse and Temple even vaguely equivalent in basketball? Syracuse is a perennial NC contender; Temple is the third best team in Philly. As for Pitt, Jamie Dixon is 216 and 60 lifetime in the Big East. If he was in the CUSA he might never have lost a game. Both are huge losses and neither of these additions comes close to making up for it. However, I do agree that Houston and TCU both exude the same degree of suckiosity. Elvin Hayes gives the edge to Houston, but I think he has no eligibility left.
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I agree that both Pitt and Cuse are huge basketball losses. MCNPA should have made the analogy on the football side. The ACC clearly was targeting these two BE basketball powers in order to stop the bleeding in national stature against the vastly superior Big East. I think that was their goal and the fact that they played football was just a bonus.
However, I disagree with your assessment of Temple. The BB program under Fran Dunphy has become a national power and they are BARELY behind Villanova in the Big Five at present IMO. In the 2009-10 season they beat every Big 5 team, including Nova. They went 29-8 and were nationally ranked most of the year. In 2010-11 they were 26-8 and beat every B5 team except Nova ---they lost to by 4 points. In the Big East they will do some serious recruiting damage and could be one of the top 6 teams.
As far as Memphis, when Cal coached there they also were perennial national title contenders. It all comes down to coaching and recruiting as you know.
That is why, when looking at Syracuse post 2014, I have my doubts they will remain NTCers once Jim B is retired. I am hoping they become the BC of upstate New York! Jamie Dixon is a very hot commodity and unless Pitt writes him a blank check he may move on also. Pitt BB may also go into the toilet if that happens. I wish nothing good for either program!
BTW, both Cuse and Pitt will pale in comparison to Duke and UNC when discussing national title contenders. I won't even bother to count the number of Elite Eights those two reached------which I consider a true gauge as to how close to a national title the team came in any given NCAA tourney.
But I found it interesting that Syracuse only reached the round of eight on 7 occasions in its history while with a more recent history, Temple reached the Elite 8 Six times only one behind Syracuse. I think Memphis reached it on five trips to the NCAA, same as our beloved redmen. Go figure!! Who are we to criticize either if they join the Big East?
I am concerned that St.John's and the BEast basketball onlys schools will couple with schools that have mediocre basketball programs ( see ECU, SMU and others) only to have Yukon, west virginia, Louisville, and cincy move on to greener pastures leaving St.John's with dregs.
I am beginning to agree with my friend, The Honorable JPM that the best option for our beloved St.John's is a national conference that does not include FBS schools and which includes schools that make a commitment to spend money to maintain top basketball programs ( see Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Butler, Dayton, Xavier et al.).
I am beginning to agree with my friend, The Honorable JPM that the best option for our beloved St.John's is a national conference that does not include FBS schools and which includes schools that make a commitment to spend money to maintain top basketball programs ( see Gonzaga, St. Mary's, Butler, Dayton, Xavier et al.).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sport...o-basketball/2011/10/07/gIQAvjxuTL_story.html
John Feinstein's thoughts on BE realignment.
John Feinstein's thoughts on BE realignment.
I've been saying it all along. Get the 20 best BBall only schools and form a basketball super conference and market it as " We do Basketball". You'll be in enough big markets to get a decent TV contract. If the big football super conferences secede from the NCAA the BBall super conference can cut a deal with the big five to be part of their organization and comptete for their championship in basketball only. It would definitely work. It might be the best option for the basketball schools. As far recruiting goes, they can tell kids that you can come here and play in a basketball only conference and be the stars on campus or you go to a football conference and play second fiddle to the football teams.
There aren't 20 top basketball only schools but then again you don't beet 20 schools.
How about the following 12 schools as a marketable conference:
St. John's.
Notre Dame
Villanova
Georgetown.
Providence.
Seton Hall.
DePaul
Butler
Xavier
St. Louis
Dayton
George Mason
How about the following 12 schools as a marketable conference:
St. John's.
Notre Dame
Villanova
Georgetown.
Providence.
Seton Hall.
DePaul
Butler
Xavier
St. Louis
Dayton
George Mason
OK MainMan .... forget George Mason, substitute another non FBS school that has a solid basketball program.
The point I am attempting to make is that although not my first choice, I believe that St.John's long term interests may be served by a 12+/- basketball focused league than coupling with traditional basketball dregs SMU, ECU, UCF, USF and others.
Does anyone agree?
The point I am attempting to make is that although not my first choice, I believe that St.John's long term interests may be served by a 12+/- basketball focused league than coupling with traditional basketball dregs SMU, ECU, UCF, USF and others.
Does anyone agree?
tom in salem
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I Love TEMPLE.