Revamped Big East

Maybe I'm selling him short, but I think Gilvydas Biruta will only win the Wooden Award once.  

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If your point here is to miss the point, you are doing an excellent job. Biruta was a frosh last year who played 22 minutes, scored 10 pts pg and grabbed 5.6 rebus pg. He is 6'8 240 and shoots 53%. If God's Gift gets those numbers this year at SJ he will be player of the year. With GG on the bench SJ goes to an all-small forward line of 6'7, 6'6, 6'5. Pretty impressive by Big East standards in your opinion??
 
Maybe I'm selling him short, but I think Gilvydas Biruta will only win the Wooden Award once.  

Thoughts?
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If your point here is to miss the point, you are doing an excellent job. Biruta was a frosh last year who played 22 minutes, scored 10 pts pg and grabbed 5.6 rebus pg. He is 6'8 240 and shoots 53%. If God's Gift gets those numbers this year at SJ he will be player of the year. With GG on the bench SJ goes to an all-small forward line of 6'7, 6'6, 6'5. Pretty impressive by Big East standards in your opinion??
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I look at Dane Miller and I see a young Kobe... only better.

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Maybe I'm selling him short, but I think Gilvydas Biruta will only win the Wooden Award once.  

Thoughts?
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If your point here is to miss the point, you are doing an excellent job. Biruta was a frosh last year who played 22 minutes, scored 10 pts pg and grabbed 5.6 rebus pg. He is 6'8 240 and shoots 53%. If God's Gift gets those numbers this year at SJ he will be player of the year. With GG on the bench SJ goes to an all-small forward line of 6'7, 6'6, 6'5. Pretty impressive by Big East standards in your opinion??
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It may not be "impressive," as you put it, but a front line of 6'7" (Ty Grant), 6'-6" (Ron Artest) and 6'-5" (Lavor Postell) was good enough to win the Big East championship. 
 
Tap me on the shoulder when they do anything of significance on the court.
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That tap may be a bump this year. You are not paying attention to THIS years' class! Forget the past! This is the strongest Rutgers team in years and we have the most inexperienced team in a half century!! Of course I am hoping we get Pelle and Garrett back but their height will kill us this year! We start a thread about a 6'4 walk on and they will not play ONE walk-on this year!
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Wait I thought the Geoff Billet/Earl Johnson crew was going to turn things around.

No, no, it was Todd Billet/Dahntay Jones that was going to put RU back on the map.

On third thought, wasn't it the Mike Rosario/Greg Echenique class that would return the glory to Piscataway?

Whatever the case, you're right on point. The Scarlet Knights are going to tear up the Big East this year. Go C. Viv, go!  
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 The last very good team was the James Bailey led team. .EOS.
 
Tap me on the shoulder when they do anything of significance on the court.
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That tap may be a bump this year. You are not paying attention to THIS years' class! Forget the past! This is the strongest Rutgers team in years and we have the most inexperienced team in a half century!! Of course I am hoping we get Pelle and Garrett back but their height will kill us this year! We start a thread about a 6'4 walk on and they will not play ONE walk-on this year!
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Wait I thought the Geoff Billet/Earl Johnson crew was going to turn things around.

No, no, it was Todd Billet/Dahntay Jones that was going to put RU back on the map.

On third thought, wasn't it the Mike Rosario/Greg Echenique class that would return the glory to Piscataway?

Whatever the case, you're right on point. The Scarlet Knights are going to tear up the Big East this year. Go C. Viv, go!  
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 The last very good team was the James Bailey led team. .EOS.
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There last very good team was 1991.
 
Maybe I'm selling him short, but I think Gilvydas Biruta will only win the Wooden Award once.  

Thoughts?
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If your point here is to miss the point, you are doing an excellent job. Biruta was a frosh last year who played 22 minutes, scored 10 pts pg and grabbed 5.6 rebus pg. He is 6'8 240 and shoots 53%. If God's Gift gets those numbers this year at SJ he will be player of the year. With GG on the bench SJ goes to an all-small forward line of 6'7, 6'6, 6'5. Pretty impressive by Big East standards in your opinion??
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It may not be "impressive," as you put it, but a front line of 6'7" (Ty Grant), 6'-6" (Ron Artest) and 6'-5" (Lavor Postell) was good enough to win the Big East championship. 
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LOL! Yeah, and we had an all-freshman team. I think not! BTW, Artest was a 1st round NBA pick and was 6'7.
 
Sorry to put the Rutgers as basketball hegemon discussion aside, but it looks like Mizzou is moving towards a Big 12 exit. And that makes Louisville, Cincy, WVU, TCU, etc in play for the Big 12.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...-tigers-curators-vote-consider-leaving-big-12    

Excerpt: One Big East coach feared the worst, telling ESPN.com via text message, "the big east is finished."
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Let me guess----it was a Big East football coach---likely from BE football powers Uconn, Rutgers or Cincy! My hope is they take Rutgers and Cincy! Then let them take BYU and SMU. They go to 12, The SEC goes to 14 and the Big East adds Temple, Houston for both BB and FB and Air Force and Navy for football. Of course no conference wants Rutgers so let's hope Missouri stays in the B12. 
 
Sorry to put the Rutgers as basketball hegemon discussion aside, but it looks like Mizzou is moving towards a Big 12 exit. And that makes Louisville, Cincy, WVU, TCU, etc in play for the Big 12.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/s...-tigers-curators-vote-consider-leaving-big-12    

Excerpt: One Big East coach feared the worst, telling ESPN.com via text message, "the big east is finished."
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Alternatively, if the Big East is aggressive, it brings this plan one step (from page 40 of this thread) closer to reality:

Three obvious football-only members are the service academies, which apparently the Big East is already talking to. Four obvious dual-sport members are teams that would be available if the Big 12 broke up - or if the Big East raided the Big 12 - Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, and Iowa State. You would then need one more football-only member - or you would need a current basketball-only school to play football (HUGE pickup - ND; tiny pickup - Nova).

That would give you this conference for football and basketball:

Football East:
1. Rutgers
2. UConn
3. West Virginia
4. Army
5. Navy
6. USF
7. Temple
8. Louisville

Football West
1. Air Force
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Kansas State
5. Baylor
6. Iowa State
7. Cincinnati
8. ???????

Basketball East
1. Rutgers
2. UConn
3. West Virginia
4. St Johns
5. Georgetown
6. USF
7. Temple
8. Providence
9. Seton Hall
10. Villanova

Basketball West
1. Louisville
2. TCU
3. Kansas
4. Kansas State
5. Baylor
6. Iowa State
7. Cincinnati
8. Marquette
9. Notre Dame
10. DePaul
 
As long as Texas stays put (and it appears they will), the B12 will remain intact and poach the Big East for at least two programs maybe more. 
 
Maybe I'm selling him short, but I think Gilvydas Biruta will only win the Wooden Award once.  

Thoughts?
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If your point here is to miss the point, you are doing an excellent job. Biruta was a frosh last year who played 22 minutes, scored 10 pts pg and grabbed 5.6 rebus pg. He is 6'8 240 and shoots 53%. If God's Gift gets those numbers this year at SJ he will be player of the year. With GG on the bench SJ goes to an all-small forward line of 6'7, 6'6, 6'5. Pretty impressive by Big East standards in your opinion??
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It may not be "impressive," as you put it, but a front line of 6'7" (Ty Grant), 6'-6" (Ron Artest) and 6'-5" (Lavor Postell) was good enough to win the Big East championship. 
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LOL! Yeah, and we had an all-freshman team. I think not! BTW, Artest was a 1st round NBA pick and was 6'7.
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You raised the issue of size, not experience, and that's what I was addressing. As for Ron Artest: (a) he was listed at 6-6 while at St. John's, and was probably closer to 6-5 as a frosh (besides, we all know what b.s. listed heights are; think Malik Boothe was anywhere near his listed height?); and (b) are you stating that one of our freshman forecourt players will never be a 1st round draft pick? If so, based on what?
 
 you wonder why the Big 12 and Big East don't just do a football only merger. they can have two division to keep rivalries and have a championship game. Then each school can go back to there respective conferences for basketball and all other sports. Seems to make the most sense and keeps both conferences alive.
 
 you wonder why the Big 12 and Big East don't just do a football only merger. they can have two division to keep rivalries and have a championship game. Then each school can go back to there respective conferences for basketball and all other sports. Seems to make the most sense and keeps both conferences alive.
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What's in it for Big 12 powers like Texas and Oklahoma?

In other words, why would the Big 12 want to take weak Big East football schools into their conference when they could simply poach the best of the BE programs?  
 
 Marinatto should go after Missouri hard now that they're on the market. It will be an immensely tough sell with the SEC calling but what Mizzou has to realize is that in a revamped Big East FBall conference they'll actually have a chance to win a conference championship. With TCU, SMU, Houston, Memphis, Temple and the service acadamies, they will be a power in football in that conference. In the SEC they will not sniff a conference championship and have a tough time with a BCS bid every year. In the Big East Football Conference they will be a top team every year and have a very good chance at a BCS bid as long as the conference can hang on to that bid. As far as Big East Basketball is concerned they'll be in a better basketball league. Memphis and Temple will make up for the losses of Pitt and Syracuse.
 
 the Big East could survive quite nicely either as a league of Catholic schools without football teams -- or, in Notre Dame's case, an independent football team -- or as a souped-up Conference USA in football with a still-formidable hoops roster. Businesses re-brand themselves constantly. The Big East could re-brand and thrive at a different level.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...0/05/missouri.realignment.decision/index.html
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But then should we expect to recruit at the same level as we did this last year?. In a lesser bb league can we compete w/ the "big guys" (as we once were and were on track to be again) as we did in Lavins first year?
 
Maybe I'm selling him short, but I think Gilvydas Biruta will only win the Wooden Award once.  

Thoughts?
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If your point here is to miss the point, you are doing an excellent job. Biruta was a frosh last year who played 22 minutes, scored 10 pts pg and grabbed 5.6 rebus pg. He is 6'8 240 and shoots 53%. If God's Gift gets those numbers this year at SJ he will be player of the year. With GG on the bench SJ goes to an all-small forward line of 6'7, 6'6, 6'5. Pretty impressive by Big East standards in your opinion??
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It may not be "impressive," as you put it, but a front line of 6'7" (Ty Grant), 6'-6" (Ron Artest) and 6'-5" (Lavor Postell) was good enough to win the Big East championship. 
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LOL! Yeah, and we had an all-freshman team. I think not! BTW, Artest was a 1st round NBA pick and was 6'7.
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You raised the issue of size, not experience, and that's what I was addressing. As for Ron Artest: (a) he was listed at 6-6 while at St. John's, and was probably closer to 6-5 as a frosh (besides, we all know what b.s. listed heights are; think Malik Boothe was anywhere near his listed height?); and (b) are you stating that one of our freshman forecourt players will never be a 1st round draft pick? If so, based on what?
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I am not here to fight brother redman. I was raising the issue of depth, experience and height re. Rutgers with one of redmen.com's members and he jokingly alluded to Biruta being a Wooden candidate to which I replied that he has more experience (soph) and height than any player we will have this year except GG who is a JC transfer. As far as Metta World Peace, he has been listed as 6'7 every since his official height was measured by the NBA in 1999' his sophomore season, which is the season alluded to and I doubt he has shruck in 13 years. Ron was one of the greatest players ever to wear a SJ uniform and to compare him to a current frosh who has not played a game is not right IMO. The 1999 team was an NCAA team and to mention that front line with our "freshman team" is laughable. Bottom line is we need both Pelle and Garrett to qualify or we will have Zero depth up front. I do not think there is a fan on this board that would disagree with me. Peace! 

BTW, the 1998-99 SJ roster included some great players:
St Johns 1998-99 Men's Basketball Roster
Posted: Fri March 19, 1999 at 12:54 p.m. EST


NO. PLAYER POS HT WT CLASS

3 Chudney Gray G 6-3 188 JR
10 Kareem Syed G 6-5 196 JR
11 Collin Charles G 5-11 167 JR
12 Erick Barkley G 6-1 185 FR
14 Marvis Thornton G 6-4 195 JR
15 Ron Artest G-F 6-7 246 SO
25 Lavor Postell G-F 6-6 212 JR
32 Tyrone Grant F 6-7 240 SR
33 Donald Emanuel F 6-8 230 FR
41 Reggie Jessie G-F 6-7 213 SO
55 Albert Richardson F 6-9 220 JR

Head Coach: Mike Jarvis
 
Maybe I'm selling him short, but I think Gilvydas Biruta will only win the Wooden Award once.  

Thoughts?
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If your point here is to miss the point, you are doing an excellent job. Biruta was a frosh last year who played 22 minutes, scored 10 pts pg and grabbed 5.6 rebus pg. He is 6'8 240 and shoots 53%. If God's Gift gets those numbers this year at SJ he will be player of the year. With GG on the bench SJ goes to an all-small forward line of 6'7, 6'6, 6'5. Pretty impressive by Big East standards in your opinion??
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It may not be "impressive," as you put it, but a front line of 6'7" (Ty Grant), 6'-6" (Ron Artest) and 6'-5" (Lavor Postell) was good enough to win the Big East championship. 
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LOL! Yeah, and we had an all-freshman team. I think not! BTW, Artest was a 1st round NBA pick and was 6'7.
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You raised the issue of size, not experience, and that's what I was addressing. As for Ron Artest: (a) he was listed at 6-6 while at St. John's, and was probably closer to 6-5 as a frosh (besides, we all know what b.s. listed heights are; think Malik Boothe was anywhere near his listed height?); and (b) are you stating that one of our freshman forecourt players will never be a 1st round draft pick? If so, based on what?
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I am not here to fight brother redman. I was raising the issue of depth, experience and height re. Rutgers with one of redmen.com's members and he jokingly alluded to Biruta being a Wooden candidate to which I replied that he has more experience (soph) and height than any player we will have this year except GG who is a JC transfer. As far as Metta World Peace, he has been listed as 6'7 every since his official height was measured by the NBA in 1999' his sophomore season, which is the season alluded to and I doubt he has shruck in 13 years. Ron was one of the greatest players ever to wear a SJ uniform and to compare him to a current frosh who has not played a game is not right IMO. The 1999 team was an NCAA team and to mention that front line with our "freshman team" is laughable. Bottom line is we need both Pelle and Garrett to qualify or we will have Zero depth up front. I do not think there is a fan on this board that would disagree with me. Peace! 

BTW, the 1998-99 SJ roster included some great players:
St Johns 1998-99 Men's Basketball Roster
Posted: Fri March 19, 1999 at 12:54 p.m. EST


NO. PLAYER POS HT WT CLASS

3 Chudney Gray G 6-3 188 JR
10 Kareem Syed G 6-5 196 JR
11 Collin Charles G 5-11 167 JR
12 Erick Barkley G 6-1 185 FR
14 Marvis Thornton G 6-4 195 JR
15 Ron Artest G-F 6-7 246 SO
25 Lavor Postell G-F 6-6 212 JR
32 Tyrone Grant F 6-7 240 SR
33 Donald Emanuel F 6-8 230 FR
41 Reggie Jessie G-F 6-7 213 SO
55 Albert Richardson F 6-9 220 JR

Head Coach: Mike Jarvis
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Not looking for a fight either. But as your stats show, our front-court size on that team was not at all "impressive" for a Big East squad. (And let's face it, the heights cited are, at best, iffy.) Depth is definitely a big question mark for this team -- hopefully Amir and Norvel will get here in December -- but height isn't as critical as athleticism and attitude, just look at Charles Barkley as well as that '99 Redmen squad. As for Artest being 6'-6" or 6'-7" (and kids do grow from 18 to 20; Jayson Williams came here at as 6'-6" recruit), do you really think that one inch would have made a big difference in his game? I don't. And given his prep history, great upside, and skill set, I wouldn't at all be surprised if Maurice Harkless goes on to be a 1st round draft pick. In fact, I'm counting on it.

Now back to this thread's topic ...
 
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