Ray Salnave List of Three

[quote="MCNPA" post=386922][quote="Monte" post=386921][quote="MainMan" post=386911]Regardless of the level of competition, I don't think Trimble was ever capable of doing something like this:
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If the level of comp doesn't matter, then have a look of what Brian was/is capable of:

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Yeah but he didn’t do it in college. Salnave just did it for 4 Years even though it was Monmouth not the big East. Our staff also has a good eye for talent and he’s got experience. I don’t think this is to replace LJ, it’s obviously to replace somebody else with an experienced 1 years grad transfer. Again it’s a no brainer for depth and to grab a local player to boot. Good Will doesn’t hurt either with another local kid coming home. Gonna be stacked, especially if LJ returns. Won’t get tired against anybody and I am sure that Mike Anderson can get the most out of Salnave, much like Dunn, Champagnie etc.[/quote]

Maybe Trimble didn't do it in college because he wasn't playing at the right level for his talent and athletic ability. If he had wound up at Monmouth instead of here, maybe he looks like Salnave right now. I'm not against bringing in Salnave, I just don't care much one way or the other. It may just be that after all these years, I still have a touch of Bangura syndrome.
 
[quote="RedStormNC" post=386927]I'm torn on this kid coming.

If it's because LJ is leaving, then a good move.

If we're pushing MCGriff out to make room, I'm not a fan of that tactic.

I'd rather keep McGriff if he wants to be here and take my chances on LJ decision and hope Salnave or other decent immediate eligible is still around at that point.[/quote]

Keep in mind if it pushes out someone like McGriff it then opens up another 21 ship and with more momentum and a better season than last we are likely talking about a better player joining in 21.
 
[quote="Monte" post=386930][quote="MCNPA" post=386922][quote="Monte" post=386921][quote="MainMan" post=386911]Regardless of the level of competition, I don't think Trimble was ever capable of doing something like this:
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If the level of comp doesn't matter, then have a look of what Brian was/is capable of:

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Yeah but he didn’t do it in college. Salnave just did it for 4 Years even though it was Monmouth not the big East. Our staff also has a good eye for talent and he’s got experience. I don’t think this is to replace LJ, it’s obviously to replace somebody else with an experienced 1 years grad transfer. Again it’s a no brainer for depth and to grab a local player to boot. Good Will doesn’t hurt either with another local kid coming home. Gonna be stacked, especially if LJ returns. Won’t get tired against anybody and I am sure that Mike Anderson can get the most out of Salnave, much like Dunn, Champagnie etc.[/quote]

Maybe Trimble didn't do it in college because he wasn't playing at the right level for his talent and athletic ability. If he had wound up at Monmouth instead of here, maybe he looks like Salnave right now. I'm not against bringing in Salnave, I just don't care much one way or the other. It may just be that after all these years, I still have a touch of Bangura syndrome.[/quote]

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.
 
Moose :

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.


:) :) :) :)
 
[quote="Monte" post=386930][quote="MCNPA" post=386922][quote="Monte" post=386921][quote="MainMan" post=386911]Regardless of the level of competition, I don't think Trimble was ever capable of doing something like this:
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If the level of comp doesn't matter, then have a look of what Brian was/is capable of:

[/quote]

Yeah but he didn’t do it in college. Salnave just did it for 4 Years even though it was Monmouth not the big East. Our staff also has a good eye for talent and he’s got experience. I don’t think this is to replace LJ, it’s obviously to replace somebody else with an experienced 1 years grad transfer. Again it’s a no brainer for depth and to grab a local player to boot. Good Will doesn’t hurt either with another local kid coming home. Gonna be stacked, especially if LJ returns. Won’t get tired against anybody and I am sure that Mike Anderson can get the most out of Salnave, much like Dunn, Champagnie etc.[/quote]

Maybe Trimble didn't do it in college because he wasn't playing at the right level for his talent and athletic ability. If he had wound up at Monmouth instead of here, maybe he looks like Salnave right now. I'm not against bringing in Salnave, I just don't care much one way or the other. It may just be that after all these years, I still have a touch of Bangura syndrome.[/quote]

I actually think it was interesting to see that Trimble video shared. But for starters, did he put on a ton of weight before coming to SJU? He looks super lean in that video, and when he played for us, he was overweight his first year, and had to work hard to lose the weight for his second year.

That video is also deceiving since it's a collection of his top highlights, many who came against kids who probably didn't even end up going on to play D1 ball in college.
 
[quote="JackofVirginia" post=386936]Just imagine the speed we would have on the court, especially needed for our full court press all game. Love it![/quote]

Adding Salve as a replacement to either LJ or McGriff does not make is us any faster.
 
Benched for second half, and then suspended two games after that.

Either way, over a year ago and sure staff vets this stuff out.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=386933]Moose :

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.


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Moose is absolutely right in his assessment and assumption. Everyone but the then faux recruiters at St. John's were pulling for Rashond to be recruited by St. John's but they passed to the dismay of The Teacher.
Imo, he is a much more versatile player than Trimble and quicker although Trimble was a more effective 3 point shooter if unguarded. Unlike Trimble, Salnave will drive to the basket and is a physical defender.
He would be a great bench player at the two position but certainly no replacement for LJ. My gut tells me someone is not returning to Covid hot spot Queens.
 
[quote="Moose" post=386932][quote="Monte" post=386930][quote="MCNPA" post=386922][quote="Monte" post=386921][quote="MainMan" post=386911]Regardless of the level of competition, I don't think Trimble was ever capable of doing something like this:
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If the level of comp doesn't matter, then have a look of what Brian was/is capable of:

[/quote]

Yeah but he didn’t do it in college. Salnave just did it for 4 Years even though it was Monmouth not the big East. Our staff also has a good eye for talent and he’s got experience. I don’t think this is to replace LJ, it’s obviously to replace somebody else with an experienced 1 years grad transfer. Again it’s a no brainer for depth and to grab a local player to boot. Good Will doesn’t hurt either with another local kid coming home. Gonna be stacked, especially if LJ returns. Won’t get tired against anybody and I am sure that Mike Anderson can get the most out of Salnave, much like Dunn, Champagnie etc.[/quote]

Maybe Trimble didn't do it in college because he wasn't playing at the right level for his talent and athletic ability. If he had wound up at Monmouth instead of here, maybe he looks like Salnave right now. I'm not against bringing in Salnave, I just don't care much one way or the other. It may just be that after all these years, I still have a touch of Bangura syndrome.[/quote]

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.[/quote]

That wasn't a comparison, it was a joke. Guess not a very good one at that. I haven't watched Salnave in college, so I will defer to you and others that have. My observation was purely based on seeing him in High School. He didn't have anywhere near the kind of motor/speed as Dunn when I saw him, but he certainly looks leaner. So maybe he picked up a few steps. Like I said from the get go, I'm fine if we get him and fine if we don't.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=386944][quote="Paultzman" post=386933]Moose :

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.


:) :) :) :)[/quote]

Moose is absolutely right in his assessment and assumption. Everyone but the then faux recruiters at St. John's were pulling for Rashond to be recruited by St. John's but they passed to the dismay of The Teacher.
Imo, he is a much more versatile player than Trimble and quicker although Trimble was a more effective 3 point shooter if unguarded. Unlike Trimble, Salnave will drive to the basket and is a physical defender.
He would be a great bench player at the two position but certainly no replacement for LJ. My gut tells me someone is not returning to Covid hot spot Queens.[/quote]

How soon we forget: Trimble was a very physical defender. Who oftentimes got stuck guarding guys much bigger then him, and doing an effective job. Say what you will about Trimble, but he was a hard nosed kid who didn't back down from anyone. FWIW Salnave was a top 300/3 star kid coming out of high school. So was Trimble. The difference: Salnave went to a conference suited for his athleticism and skill sets. Trimble didn't.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=386946][quote="Class of 72" post=386944][quote="Paultzman" post=386933]Moose :

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.


:) :) :) :)[/quote]

Moose is absolutely right in his assessment and assumption. Everyone but the then faux recruiters at St. John's were pulling for Rashond to be recruited by St. John's but they passed to the dismay of The Teacher.
Imo, he is a much more versatile player than Trimble and quicker although Trimble was a more effective 3 point shooter if unguarded. Unlike Trimble, Salnave will drive to the basket and is a physical defender.
He would be a great bench player at the two position but certainly no replacement for LJ. My gut tells me someone is not returning to Covid hot spot Queens.[/quote]

How soon we forget: Trimble was a very physical defender. Who oftentimes got stuck guarding guys much bigger then him, and doing an effective job. Say what you will about Trimble, he was a hard nosed kid who didn't back down from anyone.[/quote]
Trimble could play physical defense exactly because he was guarding guys much bigger than him. If he tried that body up defense against guards they would have gone around him like he was a lamppost. :S
 
[quote="bamafan" post=386947][quote="Monte" post=386946][quote="Class of 72" post=386944][quote="Paultzman" post=386933]Moose :

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.


:) :) :) :)[/quote]

Moose is absolutely right in his assessment and assumption. Everyone but the then faux recruiters at St. John's were pulling for Rashond to be recruited by St. John's but they passed to the dismay of The Teacher.
Imo, he is a much more versatile player than Trimble and quicker although Trimble was a more effective 3 point shooter if unguarded. Unlike Trimble, Salnave will drive to the basket and is a physical defender.
He would be a great bench player at the two position but certainly no replacement for LJ. My gut tells me someone is not returning to Covid hot spot Queens.[/quote]

How soon we forget: Trimble was a very physical defender. Who oftentimes got stuck guarding guys much bigger then him, and doing an effective job. Say what you will about Trimble, he was a hard nosed kid who didn't back down from anyone.[/quote]
Trimble could play physical defense exactly because he was guarding guys much bigger than him. If he tried that body up defense against guards they would have gone around him like he was a lamppost. :S[/quote]

That wasn't my point. 72' said he wasn't physical. He was. I'll give you that he wasn't exactly "fleet a foot". lol
 
I think people got on Trimble sometimes because he was this chunky sharp shooter who actually wasn't a great shooter and that's sort of inherently funny but I agree with Monte that he played really solid defense against some guys he had no business guarding. I'll add that he almost never turned the ball over. I remember seeing some weird stat showing he was among the national leaders in fewest amount of turnovers to minutes played. He made quick decisions with the basketball (although he rarely dribbled the basketball) He was just a little too one-dimensional of an offensive player and when his shot wasn't falling he wasn't much help on that end.
 
[quote="QueensBall" post=386949]I think people got on Trimble sometimes because he was this chunky sharp shooter who actually wasn't a great shooter and that's sort of inherently funny but I agree with Monte that he played really solid defense against some guys he had no business guarding. I'll add that he almost never turned the ball over. I remember seeing some weird stat showing he was among the national leaders in fewest amount of turnovers to minutes played. He made quick decisions with the basketball (although he rarely dribbled the basketball) He was just a little too one-dimensional of an offensive player and when his shot wasn't falling he wasn't much help on that end.[/quote]
He didn't turn the ball over because as you say he rarely dribbled and he rarely made a play, his passes were all around the perimeter. Don't mean it to sound like I'm getting on him as he did play hard and gave us his best and did as has been pointed out play some nice D against bigger players.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=386950][quote="QueensBall" post=386949]I think people got on Trimble sometimes because he was this chunky sharp shooter who actually wasn't a great shooter and that's sort of inherently funny but I agree with Monte that he played really solid defense against some guys he had no business guarding. I'll add that he almost never turned the ball over. I remember seeing some weird stat showing he was among the national leaders in fewest amount of turnovers to minutes played. He made quick decisions with the basketball (although he rarely dribbled the basketball) He was just a little too one-dimensional of an offensive player and when his shot wasn't falling he wasn't much help on that end.[/quote]
He didn't turn the ball over because as you say he rarely dribbled and he rarely made a play, his passes were all around the perimeter. Don't mean it to sound like I'm getting on him as he did play hard and gave us his best and did as has been pointed out play some nice D against bigger players.[/quote]

In summing it up, based on what I saw of Salnave(in high school), and Trimble(here), I see "similarities" in their build, athleticism and game. Both were ranked about the same coming out of high school. Both had mostly mid-major interest. We know how Trimble did at a high major. We'll see how Salnave does.
 
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FWiW, Trimble did have offers from Providence, Florida St (originally signed), Oklahoma St. & SMU.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=386933]Moose :

If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.


:) :) :) :)[/quote]

Ironically, yet not surprisingly, our fearless leader on the other board cited Salnave being a “knucklehead” as one of the reasons we shouldn’t take him, in addition to not being a player we should want (in his eyes). Which is a riot given his consistent defense of every malcontent, red flag problem child his boy routinely chased as a recruiting strategy, most of whom did nothing here except waste a scholarship, leave us short handed and cause problems.
 
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