Ray Salnave List of Three
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=386926]Everyone worried about same level of competition jump with Rutherford & Dunn. College basketball parity has made this concern extremely exaggerated imho. I have no doubt this kid can help us if he winds up coming here.[/quote]
This^
I was surprised how well Rutherford and Dunn (especially Dunn) played.
This^
I was surprised how well Rutherford and Dunn (especially Dunn) played.
JohnnyFever
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And not to mention (obviously we aren't at his level) but Jay Wright takes kids from schools like Sacred Heart and Fordham and somehow turns them into 5 star kids. If you have an eye for talent and can develop it goes a long way. Doubt anyone's saying this kid will be a star, but he would be another crucial piece to add scoring. Especially if we get an injury and unfortunately you have to expect them.
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I was surprised how well Rutherford and Dunn (especially Dunn) played.[/quote]
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CMA’s system depends upon smart hard working cogs like Nick Rutherford, Rasheem Dunn, Caraher, Earlington, Champagnie,, and others playing as a unit, the results of which play exceeds the sum of its individual parts.
With its deep bench, StJ’s will play 10 deep and press and run like no StJ’s team has ever done.
I was surprised how well Rutherford and Dunn (especially Dunn) played.[/quote]
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CMA’s system depends upon smart hard working cogs like Nick Rutherford, Rasheem Dunn, Caraher, Earlington, Champagnie,, and others playing as a unit, the results of which play exceeds the sum of its individual parts.
With its deep bench, StJ’s will play 10 deep and press and run like no StJ’s team has ever done.
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I think people are making too much of this thing. Lots of factors likely involved. LJ is on the fence so if he leaves we add a guy to take his spot. Salnave has experience, versatility and scoring ability.
If it’s someone else leaving, say a kid like McGriff as some speculated, then Salnave helps out scholarship distribution quite a bit as he only takes up this year. McGriff still has 4 years of eligibility and if staff feels he won’t get the PT , then it’s actually very smart to transfer now after a medical redshirt year with a full 4 years of eligibility. He’d have zero pushback on a transfer. It doesn’t mean anybody is being pushed out necessarily. This is all of course speculative and I’m only looking at it from a common sense standpoint as he’s the only guy who I can see on the roster as a potential transfer right now unless there is a surprise.
I don’t think anybody expects him to be a savior but for certain he can give us productive minutes and do a lot of things on the floor for us in different guard or wing roles.
I think if somebody is transferring it will shake out. Personally i want to see us use all 13 ships and into waste any:. A grad transfer fits the bill.
If it’s someone else leaving, say a kid like McGriff as some speculated, then Salnave helps out scholarship distribution quite a bit as he only takes up this year. McGriff still has 4 years of eligibility and if staff feels he won’t get the PT , then it’s actually very smart to transfer now after a medical redshirt year with a full 4 years of eligibility. He’d have zero pushback on a transfer. It doesn’t mean anybody is being pushed out necessarily. This is all of course speculative and I’m only looking at it from a common sense standpoint as he’s the only guy who I can see on the roster as a potential transfer right now unless there is a surprise.
I don’t think anybody expects him to be a savior but for certain he can give us productive minutes and do a lot of things on the floor for us in different guard or wing roles.
I think if somebody is transferring it will shake out. Personally i want to see us use all 13 ships and into waste any:. A grad transfer fits the bill.
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[quote="fuchsia" post=386964]Let me ask again. What is recovery trajectory for Josh Roberts? LJ is not the only unknown.[/quote]
From what we read he should be ready for this season. However, given the severity of the injury a lot of the muscle building work in his upper body that he should be doing in the off season, that we prayed he would be doing, he won’t be able to do. So the big off season improvement that we would hope to attain will in all probability not be there.
I hope that gives you the response you were looking for.
That is a further reason why adding the grad transfer from GW was huge for this season.
From what we read he should be ready for this season. However, given the severity of the injury a lot of the muscle building work in his upper body that he should be doing in the off season, that we prayed he would be doing, he won’t be able to do. So the big off season improvement that we would hope to attain will in all probability not be there.
I hope that gives you the response you were looking for.
That is a further reason why adding the grad transfer from GW was huge for this season.
PharmDJohnnie11
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I'm not really too crazy about adding Salnave, but I wasn't too crazy about adding Rutherford, and Champagnie at the time, and that worked out pretty well. I'll defer to CMA on this one. I am a fan opening up another scholarship for 2021 though if McGriff does indeed end up transferring.
Mullins Revenge
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The mcgriff transferring stuff is mind boggling. We only have 2 point guards on this roster and he is one of them. I think mcgriff is an integral part of this team and would be one of the last kids to think about transferring.
MakingPlays
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=386973]The mcgriff transferring stuff is mind boggling. We only have 2 point guards on this roster and he is one of them. I think mcgriff is an integral part of this team and would be one of the last kids to think about transferring.[/quote]
You have Dunn and Posh who will probably play 95% of the minutes at the PG spot, plus Williams who's a combo who last year played spot minutes at the PG, who I'm sure will also get minutes there this year as well, plus if you add Salnave he's just like Williams, he plays combo so he can play there as well if needed. All of those guys would be in the pecking order above McGriff.
And that's not a knock on McGriff, the roster is just getting better, he's the lowest rated guy on the team and just came off a season ending injury and I don't think he ever got to do full contact in practice, I think most are just assuming it's going to be a hard hill for him to climb, to beat out red-shirt seniors and juniors for playing time.
You have Dunn and Posh who will probably play 95% of the minutes at the PG spot, plus Williams who's a combo who last year played spot minutes at the PG, who I'm sure will also get minutes there this year as well, plus if you add Salnave he's just like Williams, he plays combo so he can play there as well if needed. All of those guys would be in the pecking order above McGriff.
And that's not a knock on McGriff, the roster is just getting better, he's the lowest rated guy on the team and just came off a season ending injury and I don't think he ever got to do full contact in practice, I think most are just assuming it's going to be a hard hill for him to climb, to beat out red-shirt seniors and juniors for playing time.
[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=386973]The mcgriff transferring stuff is mind boggling. We only have 2 point guards on this roster and he is one of them. I think mcgriff is an integral part of this team and would be one of the last kids to think about transferring.[/quote]
No it is not. Whether you think he is a pg or not Dunn will get serious minutes at the 1 this season and together with Posh there will be little if any minutes for McGriff. Remember McGriff was brought in when we had no other pg on our roster after Cam bolted to Nebraska. The situation has changed dramatically. Two months after we signed McGriff Dunn was brought in and he improved considerably as the season went on. Then we signed Posh, the highest rated high school player since Ponds. He didn’t come here to play 5 minutes a game as a freshman. I would be shocked if he got less than 18 minutes a game of pt as a freshman. Going forward we also see that CMA is looking at combo guards to play with Posh and Wusu , and not specifically 2 guards. Barring transfers and injuries It really does not seem that there is a big future for McGriff at SJU.
No it is not. Whether you think he is a pg or not Dunn will get serious minutes at the 1 this season and together with Posh there will be little if any minutes for McGriff. Remember McGriff was brought in when we had no other pg on our roster after Cam bolted to Nebraska. The situation has changed dramatically. Two months after we signed McGriff Dunn was brought in and he improved considerably as the season went on. Then we signed Posh, the highest rated high school player since Ponds. He didn’t come here to play 5 minutes a game as a freshman. I would be shocked if he got less than 18 minutes a game of pt as a freshman. Going forward we also see that CMA is looking at combo guards to play with Posh and Wusu , and not specifically 2 guards. Barring transfers and injuries It really does not seem that there is a big future for McGriff at SJU.
[quote="redmannorth" post=386975][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=386973]The mcgriff transferring stuff is mind boggling. We only have 2 point guards on this roster and he is one of them. I think mcgriff is an integral part of this team and would be one of the last kids to think about transferring.[/quote]
No it is not. Whether you think he is a pg or not Dunn will get serious minutes at the 1 this season and together with Posh there will be little if any minutes for McGriff. Remember McGriff was brought in when we had no other pg on our roster after Cam bolted to Nebraska. The situation has changed dramatically. Two months after we signed McGriff Dunn was brought in and he improved considerably as the season went on. Then we signed Posh, the highest rated high school player since Ponds. He didn’t come here to play 5 minutes a game as a freshman. I would be shocked if he got less than 18 minutes a game of pt as a freshman. Going forward we also see that CMA is looking at combo guards to play with Posh and Wusu , and not specifically 2 guards. Barring transfers and injuries It really does not seem that there is a big future for McGriff at SJU.[/quote]
I agree that Dunn improved last season, but still don't see him as the answer for 20 minutes at the PG. It's just not who he is mentally, from my point of view. Salnave just adds to our many options at 2G, don't see the value here. Rather have McGriff, Anderson knows what he is doing, lets see what he does.
No it is not. Whether you think he is a pg or not Dunn will get serious minutes at the 1 this season and together with Posh there will be little if any minutes for McGriff. Remember McGriff was brought in when we had no other pg on our roster after Cam bolted to Nebraska. The situation has changed dramatically. Two months after we signed McGriff Dunn was brought in and he improved considerably as the season went on. Then we signed Posh, the highest rated high school player since Ponds. He didn’t come here to play 5 minutes a game as a freshman. I would be shocked if he got less than 18 minutes a game of pt as a freshman. Going forward we also see that CMA is looking at combo guards to play with Posh and Wusu , and not specifically 2 guards. Barring transfers and injuries It really does not seem that there is a big future for McGriff at SJU.[/quote]
I agree that Dunn improved last season, but still don't see him as the answer for 20 minutes at the PG. It's just not who he is mentally, from my point of view. Salnave just adds to our many options at 2G, don't see the value here. Rather have McGriff, Anderson knows what he is doing, lets see what he does.
[quote="Rob" post=386954][quote="Paultzman" post=386933]Moose :
If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.
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Ironically, yet not surprisingly, our fearless leader on the other board cited Salnave being a “knucklehead” as one of the reasons we shouldn’t take him, in addition to not being a player we should want (in his eyes). Which is a riot given his consistent defense of every malcontent, red flag problem child his boy routinely chased as a recruiting strategy, most of whom did nothing here except waste a scholarship, leave us short handed and cause problems.[/quote]
Believe he downplayed the Rutherford signing as well and IMO Rutherford was an elite defender. It’s one thing if you’re bringing someone in to be a focal point, totally different if they are being brought in to play a role.
If you want to compare Salnave to Bangura that I get. But Trimble and Salnave are such different players physically and therefore on the court style. Salnave is another Dunn to me. And seems like a Dunn who can shoot better. He probably always wanted to come to SJU but 4 years ago we were busy recruiting crossdressers.
[/quote]Ironically, yet not surprisingly, our fearless leader on the other board cited Salnave being a “knucklehead” as one of the reasons we shouldn’t take him, in addition to not being a player we should want (in his eyes). Which is a riot given his consistent defense of every malcontent, red flag problem child his boy routinely chased as a recruiting strategy, most of whom did nothing here except waste a scholarship, leave us short handed and cause problems.[/quote]
Believe he downplayed the Rutherford signing as well and IMO Rutherford was an elite defender. It’s one thing if you’re bringing someone in to be a focal point, totally different if they are being brought in to play a role.
People making too much of the pure point guard thing. We have one in Posh and he’s a top notch one at that. Dunn played point plenty and will play more this year because he can penetrate to the hoop well. Then add Williams who can also play at times and we are set. We have more than enough even without McGriff. If McGriff is staying I don’t mind at all either but I do think his PT will be squeezed a ton not only this year but in the future as well.
I'm good with bringing in Salnave. He's improved each season. Is a respectable 3 pt shooter. Shot his best 3 pt % of his career last season while also taking the most attempts in his career. 80%+ FT shooter last season. Looks like a tough, physical guard who can defend, which fits CMA's prototype guard. He's a better player than Rutherford, who many of this board seem to have a real affinity for.
[quote="Matty Hoops" post=386983]I'm good with bringing in Salnave. He's improved each season. Is a respectable 3 pt shooter. Shot his best 3 pt % of his career last season while also taking the most attempts in his career. 80%+ FT shooter last season. Looks like a tough, physical guard who can defend, which fits CMA's prototype guard. He's a better player than Rutherford, who many of this board seem to have a real affinity for.[/quote]
Liked Rutherford for his attitude and defense. In addition I love seeing players come in as another man’s trash and them turning it around and proving something. Everybody loves the underdog story. It’s why I think Salnave will also be great for us in his final year of basketball if we land him. He’s gotten better each year but he also hasn’t been coached by Mike Anderson yet and that will add a lot of hustle, structure and defense to his game. More offensive threats is also a good thing, and he grew up a few minutes away. Always enjoy those types of players and hope they prove their worth at this level.
Liked Rutherford for his attitude and defense. In addition I love seeing players come in as another man’s trash and them turning it around and proving something. Everybody loves the underdog story. It’s why I think Salnave will also be great for us in his final year of basketball if we land him. He’s gotten better each year but he also hasn’t been coached by Mike Anderson yet and that will add a lot of hustle, structure and defense to his game. More offensive threats is also a good thing, and he grew up a few minutes away. Always enjoy those types of players and hope they prove their worth at this level.
redstorm80
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[quote="MCNPA" post=386982]People making too much of the pure point guard thing. We have one in Posh and he’s a top notch one at that. Dunn played point plenty and will play more this year because he can penetrate to the hoop well. Then add Williams who can also play at times and we are set. We have more than enough even without McGriff. If McGriff is staying I don’t mind at all either but I do think his PT will be squeezed a ton not only this year but in the future as well.[/quote]
Yeah i dont understand the pure point thing either. Dunn was by far our best penetrator and looked very natural in pick & roll situations. At the end of the day he's a guard and i look forward to seeing what he can with a full year to play with hopefully improved floor spacing and a more complete roster
Yeah i dont understand the pure point thing either. Dunn was by far our best penetrator and looked very natural in pick & roll situations. At the end of the day he's a guard and i look forward to seeing what he can with a full year to play with hopefully improved floor spacing and a more complete roster