Ray Salnave List of Three

[quote="Monte" post=386891]Saw him a few times in High School and the closest comparison i could make is Brian Trimble, with not as good a stroke. In fairness, that was 4 years ago. He looks leaner then he did back then. Very on the fence about this one, but i'll trust the staff.[/quote]

It might be more comforting think of it as Cole "replacing" LJ and Salnave coming in as a depth piece.

If for some reason LJ stays and Salnave is brought in anyway, even better. Means CMA is really stacking the lineup for something potentially special.
 
[quote="Monte" post=386891]Saw him a few times in High School and the closest comparison i could make is Brian Trimble, with not as good a stroke. In fairness, that was 4 years ago. He looks leaner then he did back then. Very on the fence about this one, but i'll trust the staff.[/quote]

Salnave a lot quicker and more aggressive than Trimble. Quite the opposite he attacks the rim a lot. Salnave’s numbers are quite good as well and he’s a clutch kid. Also an 85% ft shooter. We will have Nova-like depth at guard and can press a ton with what we have at the 1-3 spots if it happens. Tough, local queens kid would be great imo.
 
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[quote="MCNPA" post=386896][quote="Monte" post=386891]Saw him a few times in High School and the closest comparison i could make is Brian Trimble, with not as good a stroke. In fairness, that was 4 years ago. He looks leaner then he did back then. Very on the fence about this one, but i'll trust the staff.[/quote]

Salnave a lot quicker and more aggressive than Trimble. Quite the opposite he attacks the rim a lot. Salnave’s numbers are quite good as well and he’s a clutch kid. Also an 85% ft shooter. We will have Nova-like depth at guard and can press a ton with what we have at the 1-3 spots if it happens. Tough, local queens kid would be great imo.[/quote]

Yes, Plus it would mean another local kid chooses to stay local and "makes good" if he should became a Johnnie. We will become even more attractive and acceptable to local star players.
 
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NCJohnnie wrote: Seems to me if Salnave comes and LJ stays we would be top 3 in BE, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Generous man

I am an eternal optimist for sure, but really don't think it would be a big reach for us to finish 3rd or at worst 4th if LJ returns & Salnave signs on. With virtually all of solid core that finished well last year returning (minus Nick) and newcomers like Posh, Cole, Toro, Moore & Salnave, we will be very deep and much better able to score in the half court offense. Also would love the fact that we'd have 3 guys who have proven they can get to the line and make their foul shots at a very high rate in Dunn, Cole & Salnave.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=386898]Paultzman wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote: Seems to me if Salnave comes and LJ stays we would be top 3 in BE, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Generous man

I am an eternal optimist for sure, but really don't think it would be a big reach for us to finish 3rd or at worst 4th if LJ returns & Salnave signs on. With virtually all of solid core that finished well last year returning (minus Nick) and newcomers like Posh, Cole, Toro, Moore & Salnave, we will be very deep and much better able to score in the half court offense. Also would love the fact that we'd have 3 guys who have proven they can get to the line and make their foul shots at a very high rate in Dunn, Cole & Salnave.[/quote]

Too bad there’s a good possibility the season will be canceled. We are . . .
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=386898]Paultzman wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote: Seems to me if Salnave comes and LJ stays we would be top 3 in BE, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Generous man

I am an eternal optimist for sure, but really don't think it would be a big reach for us to finish 3rd or at worst 4th if LJ returns & Salnave signs on. With virtually all of solid core that finished well last year returning (minus Nick) and newcomers like Posh, Cole, Toro, Moore & Salnave, we will be very deep and much better able to score in the half court offense. Also would love the fact that we'd have 3 guys who have proven they can get to the line and make their foul shots at a very high rate in Dunn, Cole & Salnave.[/quote]

Would possibly having a starting lineup of 4 red-shirt seniors if Salnave beats out some guys.

1 - Dunn (RS SR)
2 - Salnave (RS SR)
3 - LJ (RS SR)
4 - Champaigne (Soph)
5 - Toro (RS SR)

Then you come in with Posh, Williams, Cole, Earlington, and Moore with the 2nd unit, and you've got a really solid rotation.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=386898]Paultzman wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote: Seems to me if Salnave comes and LJ stays we would be top 3 in BE, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Generous man

I am an eternal optimist for sure, but really don't think it would be a big reach for us to finish 3rd or at worst 4th if LJ returns & Salnave signs on. With virtually all of solid core that finished well last year returning (minus Nick) and newcomers like Posh, Cole, Toro, Moore & Salnave, we will be very deep and much better able to score in the half court offense. Also would love the fact that we'd have 3 guys who have proven they can get to the line and make their foul shots at a very high rate in Dunn, Cole & Salnave.[/quote]

Respect your opinion, but middle of pack is mine. I just like Nova, Creighton & PC in top 3, but we’re in same ballpark. In BE, imo middle of pack means we dance, if you are right I will be even happier. :)
 
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Paultzman wrote: Respect your opinion, but middle of pack is mine. I just like Nova, Creighton & PC in top 3, but we’re in same ballpark. In BE, imo middle of pack means we dance, if you are right I will be even happier.

Certainly reasonable to see us finishing in the middle. I think all of Nova, Creighton, PC & UConn have reason to think they can be near the top with Nova a distinct cut above. I have a feeling Creighton will miss Alexander a lot and I am hopeful we can beat out one of UConn or PC. Hall will be good but I think with LJ back we will be better.
Of course, all might be moot if season doesn't go off, but I am cautiously optimistic they'll be some kind of season...only if it can be done safely of course.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=386902][quote="NCJohnnie" post=386898]Paultzman wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote: Seems to me if Salnave comes and LJ stays we would be top 3 in BE, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Generous man

I am an eternal optimist for sure, but really don't think it would be a big reach for us to finish 3rd or at worst 4th if LJ returns & Salnave signs on. With virtually all of solid core that finished well last year returning (minus Nick) and newcomers like Posh, Cole, Toro, Moore & Salnave, we will be very deep and much better able to score in the half court offense. Also would love the fact that we'd have 3 guys who have proven they can get to the line and make their foul shots at a very high rate in Dunn, Cole & Salnave.[/quote]

Respect your opinion, but middle of pack is mine. I just like Nova, Creighton & PC in top 3, but we’re in same ballpark. In BE, imo middle of pack means we dance, if you are right I will be even happier. :)[/quote] If we finish middle of the pack and make the tourney CMAs second year, that’s a nice jump and you would have to call it a successful second year.
 
[quote="Monte" post=386891]Saw him a few times in High School and the closest comparison i could make is Brian Trimble, with not as good a stroke. In fairness, that was 4 years ago. He looks leaner then he did back then. Very on the fence about this one, but i'll trust the staff.[/quote]
Agree with your assessment, Monte. As I posted earlier, saw him in a couple of games and wasn't impressed. I realize he's not a PG, but in addition to other things, he came across as a ball hog. Again, maybe he's matured and developed his game -- although the shooting stats are not impressive.
 
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[quote="redken" post=386905][quote="Monte" post=386891]Saw him a few times in High School and the closest comparison i could make is Brian Trimble, with not as good a stroke. In fairness, that was 4 years ago. He looks leaner then he did back then. Very on the fence about this one, but i'll trust the staff.[/quote]
Agree with your assessment, Monte. As I posted earlier, saw him in a couple of games and wasn't impressed. I realize he's not a PG, but in addition to other things, he came across as a ball hog. Again, maybe he's matured and developed his game -- although the shooting stats are not impressive.[/quote]

His 3pt shooting stats would be top 15 in the big East, ahead of Collin Gillespie and Jordan Tucker. He’s by no means the next Mullin from the outside but he’s a very capable shooter and scorer. There is almost no downside to bringing him aboard, especially a grad player with experience from down the road. We’d instantly add a capable guard/wing that can come in and give us minutes. It would mean we are losing somebody, and if it’s LJ that would have happened anyway. If it’s not LJ it’s either likely McGriff or a surprise but I don’t see it being one of the others.
 
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Regardless of the level of competition, I don't think Trimble was ever capable of doing something like this:
 
from his stats from last year, he had a good game vs K-State but didn't do anything vs Kansas & Pitt. Other than that the teams he faced are nowhere close to BE talented teams. Big difference! That being said, I like that the kid rebounds for 6-3, is a great FT % shooter, and decent from 3, but does commit turnovers and we have no need for another guard if LJ stays. What we do need is another inside banger who can rebound and finish inside. Don't get me wrong, if we land him, I wouldn't be upset just not what we really need on this team. Just my thoughts
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=386904][quote="Paultzman" post=386902][quote="NCJohnnie" post=386898]Paultzman wrote:
NCJohnnie wrote: Seems to me if Salnave comes and LJ stays we would be top 3 in BE, but I'll believe it when I see it.
Generous man

I am an eternal optimist for sure, but really don't think it would be a big reach for us to finish 3rd or at worst 4th if LJ returns & Salnave signs on. With virtually all of solid core that finished well last year returning (minus Nick) and newcomers like Posh, Cole, Toro, Moore & Salnave, we will be very deep and much better able to score in the half court offense. Also would love the fact that we'd have 3 guys who have proven they can get to the line and make their foul shots at a very high rate in Dunn, Cole & Salnave.[/quote]

Respect your opinion, but middle of pack is mine. I just like Nova, Creighton & PC in top 3, but we’re in same ballpark. In BE, imo middle of pack means we dance, if you are right I will be even happier. :)[/quote] If we finish middle of the pack and make the tourney CMAs second year, that’s a nice jump and you would have to call it a successful second year.[/quote]

I'd sign on for that in a heartbeat
 
[quote="MainMan" post=386911]Regardless of the level of competition, I don't think Trimble was ever capable of doing something like this:
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If the level of comp doesn't matter, then have a look of what Brian was/is capable of:

 
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[quote="Monte" post=386921][quote="MainMan" post=386911]Regardless of the level of competition, I don't think Trimble was ever capable of doing something like this:
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If the level of comp doesn't matter, then have a look of what Brian was/is capable of:

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Yeah but he didn’t do it in college. Salnave just did it for 4 Years even though it was Monmouth not the big East. Our staff also has a good eye for talent and he’s got experience. I don’t think this is to replace LJ, it’s obviously to replace somebody else with an experienced 1 years grad transfer. Again it’s a no brainer for depth and to grab a local player to boot. Good Will doesn’t hurt either with another local kid coming home. Gonna be stacked, especially if LJ returns. Won’t get tired against anybody and I am sure that Mike Anderson can get the most out of Salnave, much like Dunn, Champagnie etc.
 
Everyone worried about same level of competition jump with Rutherford & Dunn. College basketball parity has made this concern extremely exaggerated imho. I have no doubt this kid can help us if he winds up coming here.
 
I'm torn on this kid coming.

If it's because LJ is leaving, then a good move.

If we're pushing MCGriff out to make room, I'm not a fan of that tactic.

I'd rather keep McGriff if he wants to be here and take my chances on LJ decision and hope Salnave or other decent immediate eligible is still around at that point.
 
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As NCJohnnie pointed out the difference in talent between the mid major and power conference has never been smaller and we see more and more of mid major grad transfers moving up and contributing at the power conference level. If the NCAA passes the one time immediate eligibility transfer rule the mid majors will lose many players after their freshmen and soph years to the power conference programs.
 
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