Providence Game
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My biggest concern regarding next season is this: Let's say D'lo can't get over this and decides to transfer. So to replace him (which is not exactly easy to do), they have to recruit a guard who can put the ball in the hoop. Outside of Jordan (who some have said is a long shot at this point), there are slim pickings left in this recruiting class. Which basically means next year, our SG options are Greene, Balamou, Bourgault, and Hooper. I don't know about any of you, but that group doesn't exactly put me at ease.
Agree. What I may have done differently if I were the coach is at the end I may have used my time out to get Marco in the game to set something up. Then again, the SNYDER announcers felt that PC was not organized and Coach felt they (SJU) could get a decent shot in transition. Who knows?
terrificboss
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Yes he went home with 1 in his pocket. I can understand not calling one with the possession at the 35 second mark but wanted one called after the FT miss with 8 secs left. He burns them all over the place and the time I believe he should have called one, he sits on it. I can tell you one thing his assistant coaches do not help him at all with game management.
However the team played hard tonight!
Well since we were in zone most of the game I don't understand your comment; plus since Cotton abused Balamou (who played hard and well, Cotton is tough), I think a little shooting on the court throughout the game would have helped. And enough on the board about Bourgault's defense, it is not like Greene even plays D half the time; he is continually broken down and needs help.
Wow...last night was really tough to watch! We looked lost all game.. No penetration, people aimlessy dribbling, our only offensive threat was on the bench all game!!! Innate to say this but the immediate future of our program is riding on whether or not our 20 year combustable star can get his stuff together! If we go into next year with this same team plus Orlando we are a bottom dwelling team....listen I'm the most optimistic fan around but I see no progress minus CO and pointer, even jakaar looked lost for major stretches of the game, hopefully Dunlop gets canned and comes back to queens. Our basketball IQ is just way below big east average....not sure if it's our coaches, there system or just the players anymore....
I agree with Lavin's decision not to use the timeout there. Calling the timeout would have allowed PC to setup their defense. They were unorganized and there were guys open on the wings. On TV it looked like Greene was wide open on the left side. I would rather have Marco shoot than Greene or branch but allowing PC to setup their defense (even with Marco on floor) would have made a higher percentage shot unlikely.
montyaloofah
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Despite the loss, I was encouraged by what I saw. We could have folded given our circumstances, but we fought hard. Providence has been tough at home. Jakarr took the burden of increased scoring. Our defense was very active. Sir Dom played another solid game, obekpa is asserting himself on the boards, and our flow looked better. We missed a lot of open shots, which people will work on in the summer. PC needed a 4pt play to beat us. We had a shot at the end of the game. I'm not sure if we're in that position with how D Lo has played recently.
Phil had just air balled a 3.
You call a timeout to diagram a play and/or make a substitution. Down 3 and Marco is on the bench.
Give yourself the best option to win. If you draw something up and the players fail to execute, that's another story.
You don't sit on your hands at that point though and then play the "we're the youngest team in America" trump card to the media. You can't have it both ways.
Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys
I can't agree with this. The team played with some degree of disorganization, which is understand able when your 2 best guards are either suspended or coming off an injury. Branch is the key as he can step up and be a BE caliber player if healthy. He can score and replace some of what DLo gave us. But, I think DLo will be back, and I think this team will be VERY good next year. When this class came in, we all said a lot of these kids would be 4 year guys, and I think Greene and Pointer especially will be better and better as time goes on. I am not sure about Garrett as a major contributor, but if we have GG and Sanchez, on top of CO and Sampson, I am not sure that he is too critical.
westchesterjoe
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Branch is a gamer but, is obviously not 100%.. Then, he got hurt again in the 2nd half but, returned in place of Balamou after the 4 pt play.
Harrison wasn't missed because of late his play has deteriorated to a non contributor level.. Thinking he would have saved the game is fantasy. His poor attitude would not have been a favorable contributor last night, just as it hasn't been in several of the last 4-5 games.
Lavin's in game Coaching, which many have questioned over the season, is still bizarre to me... As are his substitutions,I'd love to see Marco get 16 shots like Phil had.. The dynamics of this game begged for us to have a 3 pt shooter on the floor at several key times. Marco had his warm up jacket on the bench next to one of the Assistants.
Dinkins, still think we have the spot up shooters we need? Obviously, Lavin doesn't think much of Marco by not playing him in this game, other than his cameo.
I really like Lavin's brand identity as a Coach but, even the most fervent supporters have to question many of his moves, on the Court.
Late in the game, why not foul Cotton, instead of giving up 3's or the 4pt play? Let him make 2 from the line instead of burying those late 3's? We all knew Cotton was going to shoot the ball every possession in the last 5 minutes from 3 pt range. Give him the 2 foul shots not the 4 or 5 3's plus the 4, when Balamou fouled him? But, that only works if we can score ourselves, which down the stretch we missed 9 in a row. If Marco took 9 shots , how many would he make? O? Well, we were able to do that without him. If he hits 2 out of 9, we may win this game..
Garrett was invisible. Again.. If he opts to go full time baseball and not return next year, does that free up a scholarship? Jones? Where is he at? Has Steve given up on him?
All up , it was a gutsy performance..PC has athletes too.. Cotton is having a great year and demonstrates what a SG should be. We need one badly.. And, it isn't Harrison , who was a scorer not a shooter. He won't be back in my opinion.
If this were SU or Uconn, he would get a 2-3 game suspension and be back for the BE tourney.. But, I have no problem with the way it was handled here by Lavin..
Harrison wasn't missed because of late his play has deteriorated to a non contributor level.. Thinking he would have saved the game is fantasy. His poor attitude would not have been a favorable contributor last night, just as it hasn't been in several of the last 4-5 games.
Lavin's in game Coaching, which many have questioned over the season, is still bizarre to me... As are his substitutions,I'd love to see Marco get 16 shots like Phil had.. The dynamics of this game begged for us to have a 3 pt shooter on the floor at several key times. Marco had his warm up jacket on the bench next to one of the Assistants.
Dinkins, still think we have the spot up shooters we need? Obviously, Lavin doesn't think much of Marco by not playing him in this game, other than his cameo.
I really like Lavin's brand identity as a Coach but, even the most fervent supporters have to question many of his moves, on the Court.
Late in the game, why not foul Cotton, instead of giving up 3's or the 4pt play? Let him make 2 from the line instead of burying those late 3's? We all knew Cotton was going to shoot the ball every possession in the last 5 minutes from 3 pt range. Give him the 2 foul shots not the 4 or 5 3's plus the 4, when Balamou fouled him? But, that only works if we can score ourselves, which down the stretch we missed 9 in a row. If Marco took 9 shots , how many would he make? O? Well, we were able to do that without him. If he hits 2 out of 9, we may win this game..
Garrett was invisible. Again.. If he opts to go full time baseball and not return next year, does that free up a scholarship? Jones? Where is he at? Has Steve given up on him?
All up , it was a gutsy performance..PC has athletes too.. Cotton is having a great year and demonstrates what a SG should be. We need one badly.. And, it isn't Harrison , who was a scorer not a shooter. He won't be back in my opinion.
If this were SU or Uconn, he would get a 2-3 game suspension and be back for the BE tourney.. But, I have no problem with the way it was handled here by Lavin..
I think this program is better than moral victories....I just feel we should further along than where we are..... It's not like another summer of development means phil will shoot it alot better or Amir will all of a sudden have the highest basketball iq around.... We are who we are, and without dlo we are not a top of line team! He and Orlando may make us better but just one and not the other with the surrounding cast is very ordinary
I, seriously doubt this team is a bottom-dweller with the same returning cast, plus Sanchez and Gift. They aren't one now, so I don't expect to see them being one next season. They've won 8 conference games with Branch missing games, and without the services of Sanchez and Gift. Some of you would be surprised how some kids can make the jump from one season to the next. It happens all the time in collegiate hoops. I, specifically saw that in guys like Postell and Chudney Gray. We saw it in Obekpa and Pointer, this season, as you mentioned. I, sense we'll see that in a couple players next season.
I'll agree the overall hoops IQ of the team is low. I've been saying that since the beginning of the season. This is where a skillful and intelligent player like Sanchez could pay dividends.
I don't think the system is a problem. I watched Oklahoma State run something similar, and the difference was they have the requisite personnel to make it work. Maybe, with some seasoning, Branch, and a guy like Sanchez can make the system beneficial. But I've always thought this team was more suitable in a helter-skelter type setting. What do I know? By the way, it's Dunlap.
you can't comprehend what you read by continuing to regurgitate something that I never said. You must be trying to be a jerk, as you've said it two times in as many days. What else should I expect from a person who complained during our 5-game winning streak....
You tried to make it seem like we didn't have ANY spot up shooters because we didn't have a kid like Jordan Hulls. That was pretty much the basis of your argument. If that is the case, then several schools do not have any shooters. That is a strawman argument, if I ever saw one.
I said, Bourgault and Hooper were spot-up shooters. That was all I said. Nowhere did I say, we didn't need more shooters. There isn't a such thing of having too many shooters (spot-up; off-the-dribble, etc). Whether Lavin plays him or not is irrelevant to his role on the team. His role is one of a spot-up shooter. That will also be the role of Hooper. Harrison is also a shooter, albeit a streaky one.
Continue to call me out with your foolishness.
redmen2014champs
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I can understand you questioning Lavin's in game coaching because although I am happy he is our coach I believe it his his weakest attribute. However, in the same post to suggest the worst strategy ever is mind boggling. I don't care how well Cotton was shooting treys, it is never, ever a good idea to foul a good free throw shooter to avoid the possibilty of him hitting a trey or the unlikely 4 point play. It doesn't even usually work when you are fouling Dwight Howard for goodness sake. The percentages of him making his foul shots compared to making a 3 pointer are incomparable.
Pray4change
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Another L... Doesn't look promising for the remainder of the year. If we lose remaining games and lose 1st round big east we'll go home.. Don't deserve even NIT berth.. Looks like another pretty disappointing season. Last year was atrocious and this year proving to be slightly better than atrocious. Tough to get pumped gents.. Marquette is going to take us to the shed with their size. I hear coaches post game quotes already. We were taken to the shed.. And hammer to rock.. It's proving to be a rather big rock isn't it?
beast of the east
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My strong opinion is that we played better without him. This wasn't losing to a Providence team that played poorly. Providence shot extremely well down the stretch and we stayed right with them. When we ran the ball we ended up with layups or drew fouls, not jump shots. There were often 3 or 4 meaningful passes before a good look, and often guys passed up a good look for an even better look - sometimes evena layup.
It was a fun game to watch , and be in a tight game where both teams played well. We were in the gaem till the very end, and even Greene's airball from the left corner was a wide open look.
Kudos to the team for playing a spirited game. My call is that if Harrison were there we'd have played another stinker.