Providence Game

I was there, am an official, and in my honest opinion... we got a home job! My leader is Pointer. He was ineffective due to my latter comments. At least we had an awesome dinner at Zoomas on Atwells Ave.
 
Branch is a gamer but, is obviously not 100%.. Then, he got hurt again in the 2nd half but, returned in place of Balamou after the 4 pt play.

Harrison wasn't missed because of late his play has deteriorated to a non contributor level.. Thinking he would have saved the game is fantasy. His poor attitude would not have been a favorable contributor last night, just as it hasn't been in several of the last 4-5 games.

Lavin's in game Coaching, which many have questioned over the season, is still bizarre to me... As are his substitutions,I'd love to see Marco get 16 shots like Phil had.. The dynamics of this game begged for us to have a 3 pt shooter on the floor at several key times. Marco had his warm up jacket on the bench next to one of the Assistants.

Dinkins, still think we have the spot up shooters we need? Obviously, Lavin doesn't think much of Marco by not playing him in this game, other than his cameo.

I really like Lavin's brand identity as a Coach but, even the most fervent supporters have to question many of his moves, on the Court.
Late in the game, why not foul Cotton, instead of giving up 3's or the 4pt play? Let him make 2 from the line instead of burying those late 3's? We all knew Cotton was going to shoot the ball every possession in the last 5 minutes from 3 pt range. Give him the 2 foul shots not the 4 or 5 3's plus the 4, when Balamou fouled him? But, that only works if we can score ourselves, which down the stretch we missed 9 in a row. If Marco took 9 shots , how many would he make? O? Well, we were able to do that without him. If he hits 2 out of 9, we may win this game..

Garrett was invisible. Again.. If he opts to go full time baseball and not return next year, does that free up a scholarship? Jones? Where is he at? Has Steve given up on him?

All up , it was a gutsy performance..PC has athletes too.. Cotton is having a great year and demonstrates what a SG should be. We need one badly.. And, it isn't Harrison , who was a scorer not a shooter. He won't be back in my opinion.

If this were SU or Uconn, he would get a 2-3 game suspension and be back for the BE tourney.. But, I have no problem with the way it was handled here by Lavin..
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I was so upset last night with Lavin's decision to sit Marco after two shots, and replace him with a terrible shooter. Did anyone tell him that the Friars were playing zone. Duh! So you bench the only three point shooter you have. My guess, Lavin doesn't like Marco's defensive game. Well I have news for you Steve I didn't like your weak zone defense that allowed Providence to penetrate easily, leading to easy handoffs. Remember they couldn't hit any outside shots at the outset. With their offensive boards they didn't have to.
Garrett has regressed, can't shoot, can't dribble, and can't pass. How many times is he going to walk with ball when he's tied up.
Why keep Branch on the bench until the minute and a half remaining and leave Balamou in the game guarding Cotton. ( 4 point foul). I'm aware that he appeared to be injured, obviously not a serious one. Afterall, he finished at the point.
Still not impressed with Lavin's coaching but that's me.
 
Another L... Doesn't look promising for the remainder of the year. If we lose remaining games and lose 1st round big east we'll go home.. Don't deserve even NIT berth.. Looks like another pretty disappointing season. Last year was atrocious and this year proving to be slightly better than atrocious. Tough to get pumped gents.. Marquette is going to take us to the shed with their size. I hear coaches post game quotes already. We were taken to the shed.. And hammer to rock.. It's proving to be a rather big rock isn't it?
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You forgot the usual quote, " We're young."
 
Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys
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I dont understand why the Frenchman didnt play at all in the second half. It is beyond me.
 
Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys
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I dont understand why the Frenchman didnt play at all in the second half. It is beyond me.
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He has a name. Is it that hard to write?
 
I agree with Lavin's decision not to use the timeout there. Calling the timeout would have allowed PC to setup their defense. They were unorganized and there were guys open on the wings. On TV it looked like Greene was wide open on the left side. I would rather have Marco shoot than Greene or branch but allowing PC to setup their defense (even with Marco on floor) would have made a higher percentage shot unlikely.
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Phil had just air balled a 3.

You call a timeout to diagram a play and/or make a substitution. Down 3 and Marco is on the bench.

Give yourself the best option to win. If you draw something up and the players fail to execute, that's another story.

You don't sit on your hands at that point though and then play the "we're the youngest team in America" trump card to the media. You can't have it both ways.
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I agree with you 100%. I love Lavin but his in game coaching leaves something to be desired. His assistants do not help him.
Going home with a timeout in his pocket and as you say playing the youngest team in America line does not fly with me.
 
Another L... Doesn't look promising for the remainder of the year. If we lose remaining games and lose 1st round big east we'll go home.. Don't deserve even NIT berth.. Looks like another pretty disappointing season. Last year was atrocious and this year proving to be slightly better than atrocious. Tough to get pumped gents.. Marquette is going to take us to the shed with their size. I hear coaches post game quotes already. We were taken to the shed.. And hammer to rock.. It's proving to be a rather big rock isn't it?
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You forgot the usual quote, " We're young."
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or "Youngest team in America."
 
-- we lost the game due to the 4 pt play and 0 for 6 foul shots-- from 3 players. this team has great potential and proved it last night.
next year it will al come together and lets stop all the negatives for the players and the coaching staff. we have come a long way in 3 seasons
since the jarvis -norm days -- lets go redmen
 
-- we lost the game due to the 4 pt play and 0 for 6 foul shots-- from 3 players. this team has great potential and proved it last night.
next year it will al come together and lets stop all the negatives for the players and the coaching staff. we have come a long way in 3 seasons
since the jarvis -norm days -- lets go redmen
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Now what we need is to get some butts in the seats.
 
-- we lost the game due to the 4 pt play and 0 for 6 foul shots-- from 3 players. this team has great potential and proved it last night.
next year it will al come together and lets stop all the negatives for the players and the coaching staff. we have come a long way in 3 seasons
since the jarvis -norm days -- lets go redmen
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I abstained from commenting on this game because, in effect, the game was lost on that 4 point play. Our foul shooting also killed us, yes, but in spite of the usual poor coaching moves and Branch trying to get into the flow after a serious injury, our team almost won this game against the hottest team in the BE.
Our kids get a pass in this game, given the Harrison bomb.
On to ND!
 
Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys
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My strong opinion is that we played better without him. This wasn't losing to a Providence team that played poorly. Providence shot extremely well down the stretch and we stayed right with them. When we ran the ball we ended up with layups or drew fouls, not jump shots. There were often 3 or 4 meaningful passes before a good look, and often guys passed up a good look for an even better look - sometimes evena layup.

It was a fun game to watch , and be in a tight game where both teams played well. We were in the gaem till the very end, and even Greene's airball from the left corner was a wide open look.

Kudos to the team for playing a spirited game. My call is that if Harrison were there we'd have played another stinker.
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I don;t believe that. Harrison plays well against "weaker" teams. The board says that.
 
-- we lost the game due to the 4 pt play and 0 for 6 foul shots-- from 3 players. this team has great potential and proved it last night.
next year it will al come together and lets stop all the negatives for the players and the coaching staff. we have come a long way in 3 seasons
since the jarvis -norm days -- lets go redmen
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I abstained from commenting on this game because, in effect, the game was lost on that 4 point play. Our foul shooting also killed us, yes, but in spite of the usual poor coaching moves and Branch trying to get into the flow after a serious injury, our team almost won this game against the hottest team in the BE.
Our kids get a pass in this game, given the Harrison bomb.
On to ND!
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I don't think they get a pass.. They get about as high a grade you can get when you come away with a loss. Providence had won 5 of 6, played well on saturday, and our guys played them tough from start to finish. We drop in one of those late threes, go home w a W, and all the critics here would be singing high praises. This was one of our top 5 best played games. I'll take the way we played in a loss to Providence over how badly we played in the win over DePAul at home.
 
Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys
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You've got to be kidding. Harrison was the heart and soul of nothing and no leader. IMO, we played one of our best games of the season against Providence; we finally looked like a TEAM. Losing is no fun and I am completely befuddled by Lavin's refusal to play Bourgault but I enjoyed the Providence game more than any other this season. Lavin needs to build a program, not peck for wins catering to a kid who thinks he is above everything and everyone else. I understand I may be in an extreme minority but that's how I see it.
 
Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys
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You've got to be kidding. Harrison was the heart and soul of nothing and no leader. IMO, we played one of our best games of the season against Providence; we finally looked like a TEAM. Losing is no fun and I am completely befuddled by Lavin's refusal to play Bourgault but I enjoyed the Providence game more than any other this season. Lavin needs to build a program, not peck for wins catering to a kid who thinks he is above everything and everyone else. I understand I may be in an extreme minority but that's how I see it.
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You enjoyed Providence game more than any other? Really?

ND?
Uconn?
 
I was there, am an official, and in my honest opinion... we got a home job! My leader is Pointer. He was ineffective due to my latter comments. At least we had an awesome dinner at Zoomas on Atwells Ave.
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Don't get me started on those refs. That goaltend that was called on Pointer is one of the worst calls I've ever seen. Providence is very fortunate that they won that game by 3 points, and not 1 or 2.
 
-- we lost the game due to the 4 pt play and 0 for 6 foul shots-- from 3 players. this team has great potential and proved it last night.
next year it will al come together and lets stop all the negatives for the players and the coaching staff. we have come a long way in 3 seasons
since the jarvis -norm days -- lets go redmen
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I abstained from commenting on this game because, in effect, the game was lost on that 4 point play. Our foul shooting also killed us, yes, but in spite of the usual poor coaching moves and Branch trying to get into the flow after a serious injury, our team almost won this game against the hottest team in the BE.
Our kids get a pass in this game, given the Harrison bomb.
On to ND!
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This "hottest" team was destroyed by Syracuse by 25 points, who then went on to lose 3 straight games. Since the Johnnie's played Pitt both with 8 and 6 records. Pitt has won 3 straight to move into 4 place in Big East.
Maybe they're hot. We know who is not hot. Red S. have lost 4 of 5 since the UCONN game. Big East bottom/middle cannot play with Big Boys.
 
Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys
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You've got to be kidding. Harrison was the heart and soul of nothing and no leader. IMO, we played one of our best games of the season against Providence; we finally looked like a TEAM. Losing is no fun and I am completely befuddled by Lavin's refusal to play Bourgault but I enjoyed the Providence game more than any other this season. Lavin needs to build a program, not peck for wins catering to a kid who thinks he is above everything and everyone else. I understand I may be in an extreme minority but that's how I see it.
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You enjoyed Providence game more than any other? Really?

ND?
Uconn?
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Yes really; the bottom line is W's and L's but Lavin needs to build a program, needs to build a brand, a style. I have made no bones about the fact I don't like how we play and against Providence I finally saw flashes of a team out there; not five guys who don't play together but win some in spite of that approach because they have talent. That style will win you some games, lose you some you shouldn't (as we have seen) and in the long run never be consistent. I am old school and like Bobby Knight, I believe that you play against the game, not your opponent. Give Bourgault some of Greene's minutes and I think we win going away. One small but telling example, relatively early in the game, Bourgault gets a pass on the wing, ball barely touches his hands and he feeds Obekpa in the post, who just as quickly hits Sampson on the baseline for a jam. Greene would not have thrown that pass in a month of Sundays but a minute later Bourgault is on the bench for the game while Greene does his usual for the rest of the game. Become a craw in my stomach because I feel Bourgault knows and plays the team game and I think we would be much better with him on the court. I would like Lavin to leave him in and find out rather than the one shot cameos he currently gives him.
 
I wish Bourgault got 16 shots instead of Greene.. He could have shot 2 for 16, with 2 treys and we win..Of course, if you do the math, Greene would have had to take fewer shots, score fewer points, etc..Not a bad thing , right?

But, that would undermine my own point about Bourgault playing and allowed to have a green light to shoot.. :)
 
ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW
 
With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?
 
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