Providence Game

[brooklyndon1]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

i also like geen he has a lot of heart he is not afraid/timid while others pass up shots he take them even thogh he does not make most of them meanwhile bourgault pointer and branch play tentative they seem scared to fail,

 

[SJUalum98]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

This issue falls squarely on the staff.

Without any sort of set plays, Phil (whoever the primary ball handler is) will always have an open shot. You saw it in the first half of the DePaul game where Branch went off, mostly in the midrange.

1. Run the Weave
2. PF or C sets a pick for the ball handler
3. Create your own shot or dish

Until Lavin or anybody on that staff can both design and teach them how to run an actual play, the above will be the result.

The sad thing is we run this same nonsense whether the defense is playing Zone or Man.

Branch's injury was our downfall. And even before he went down, the staff for some reason felt the need to have a 3-guard lineup with Phil out there instead of him coming off the bench.

 

[Moose]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

This issue falls squarely on the staff.

Without any sort of set plays, Phil (whoever the primary ball handler is) will always have an open shot. You saw it in the first half of the DePaul game where Branch went off, mostly in the midrange.

1. Run the Weave
2. PF or C sets a pick for the ball handler
3. Create your own shot or dish

Until Lavin or anybody on that staff can both design and teach them how to run an actual play, the above will be the result.

The sad thing is we run this same nonsense whether the defense is playing Zone or Man.

Branch's injury was our downfall. And even before he went down, the staff for some reason felt the need to have a 3-guard lineup with Phil out there instead of him coming off the bench.

Ever see a guy cut or slash?

And honestly our 'picks' are a joke. The NBA is now something like 30-40% of the plays are pick and rolls. Our guys set a loose pick and stand there.

 

[L J S A]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

Good to see the board's martyr complex quota won't go unfilled in Joe3's absence.

 

[mjmaherjr]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

BECAUSE YOU USUALLY POST IN ALL CAPS WHICH ANNOYS THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE

 

[logen]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

Not sure about the injury everyone alludes to, he is well enough to consistently be among the leaders in shots attempted.

 

[logen]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

i also like geen he has a lot of heart he is not afraid/timid while others pass up shots he take them even thogh he does not make most of them meanwhile bourgault pointer and branch play tentative they seem scared to fail,

Pointer is tentative?? I realize your goal on the board is to do nothing but tweak people but that is nonsense even for you!!

 

[brooklyndon1]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

i also like geen he has a lot of heart he is not afraid/timid while others pass up shots he take them even thogh he does not make most of them meanwhile bourgault pointer and branch play tentative they seem scared to fail,

Pointer is tentative?? I realize your goal on the board is to do nothing but tweak people but that is nonsense even for you!!

yes pointer is tentetive when it comes to shooting the ball now in providence he was not but usually he is not agressive enough.

 

[SJUalum98]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

This issue falls squarely on the staff.

Without any sort of set plays, Phil (whoever the primary ball handler is) will always have an open shot. You saw it in the first half of the DePaul game where Branch went off, mostly in the midrange.

1. Run the Weave
2. PF or C sets a pick for the ball handler
3. Create your own shot or dish

Until Lavin or anybody on that staff can both design and teach them how to run an actual play, the above will be the result.

The sad thing is we run this same nonsense whether the defense is playing Zone or Man.

Branch's injury was our downfall. And even before he went down, the staff for some reason felt the need to have a 3-guard lineup with Phil out there instead of him coming off the bench.

Ever see a guy cut or slash?

And honestly our 'picks' are a joke. The NBA is now something like 30-40% of the plays are pick and rolls. Our guys set a loose pick and stand there.

The only game was the South Carolina game at CA. I thought we were turning the corner with our "offense" but it looked like we turned and fell right off the map after that game.

It really pains me.

And it's really why I always ask what does this team do during practices?

We run a bailout offense. Long-term success cannot be sustained like that. I'd love to see some footage from Keady's old Purdue teams as a comparison. Surely he has some actual plays drawn up that we can get some use of the fancy clipboards the assistants hold during games.

 

[brooklyndon1]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

Good to see the board's martyr complex quota won't go unfilled in Joe3's absence.

glad to see you keep bringing up the same mantra over and over ,

 

[brooklyndon1]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

BECAUSE YOU USUALLY POST IN ALL CAPS WHICH ANNOYS THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE

look i was told by a poster on here in pm that dinkings mjmaher and logen are part of the good old boys club where if you say anything to disagree they will make sure you get banned. ive been warned so ill proceed to not reply to you as it will only get me banned bye bye

 

[SJU1512]

With all the talk about whether or not we would have been better or not with Harrison on Saturday night, I'm glad you alluded to a similar analysis with Greene after his 4-16, 1 assist.

In his last 21 games, he's 64-212 (30.2%) from the field and 16-73 (21.9%) from 3. Over that same 21 game stretch he's had more than 4 assists in a game two times (5 and 6, respectively). Incredibly, he's made less free throws (19) than games played (21) over that time. The percentage is good (19-24, 79.1%), but to have that few attempts from a point guard is indicative of the amount of penetration taking place. He went on an 11 game stretch between South Carolina and Seton Hall (Nov. 29-Jan. 27) where he attempted 3 free throws total.

None of this is meant to be critical of him beyond his play. I like Phil, he seems to have a great attitude and plays hard every game, and I think part of the problem is the role he's being asked to play. He's not a point, and he's not really a SG either, probably best suited to be a 6th/7th man in more of a combo-guard role. But he is not helping us right now, and he is shooting a lot (double-digit attempts in 7 of the last 8 games). Is the injury bothering him more than we know? With the exception of the attitude and focusing on play only, isn't it a similar situation to D'Angelo offensively (inefficient, volume scoring)?

This issue falls squarely on the staff.

Without any sort of set plays, Phil (whoever the primary ball handler is) will always have an open shot. You saw it in the first half of the DePaul game where Branch went off, mostly in the midrange.

1. Run the Weave
2. PF or C sets a pick for the ball handler
3. Create your own shot or dish

Until Lavin or anybody on that staff can both design and teach them how to run an actual play, the above will be the result.

The sad thing is we run this same nonsense whether the defense is playing Zone or Man.

Branch's injury was our downfall. And even before he went down, the staff for some reason felt the need to have a 3-guard lineup with Phil out there instead of him coming off the bench.

Ever see a guy cut or slash?

And honestly our 'picks' are a joke. The NBA is now something like 30-40% of the plays are pick and rolls. Our guys set a loose pick and stand there.

I'm not sold the issue is entirely on the staff (we have a number of players who could have executed better this season, including Greene and Harrison), but I agree they are a part of the problem, as they could have put players in a better position to succeed in instances by (1) putting them in roles that better suit their skillset and (2) running better stuff on offense.

On (2), I was looking for a highlight on YouTube recently and came across our Second Round game vs. Gonzaga from 2000 (the full game is available). You watch our 2000 team play offense for 5 possessions and the contrast from the current team is just unbelievable. The structure, space, speed, and purpose of the offensive sets were really like watching a different level of basketball. The interior pacing and finishing around the rim - for an undersized team - was really something as well. Not to mention, that zone press was suffocating. There are a lot of things - a lot - Lavin does better than Jarvis, but watching some of that game I couldn't help but think I wish we could show this to our current group.

That game doesn't sting as much as OSU the year before, but man...a win and we get #6 Purdue in the 16 and #8 Wisconsin in the 8! We played well too, but 5-26 from 3 for us (Bootsy 1-8) and 9-22 from 3 for them (with Santangelo going of at 6-10) did us in.

 

[Section3]

Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys

You've got to be kidding. Harrison was the heart and soul of nothing and no leader. IMO, we played one of our best games of the season against Providence; we finally looked like a TEAM. Losing is no fun and I am completely befuddled by Lavin's refusal to play Bourgault but I enjoyed the Providence game more than any other this season. Lavin needs to build a program, not peck for wins catering to a kid who thinks he is above everything and everyone else. I understand I may be in an extreme minority but that's how I see it.

You enjoyed Providence game more than any other? Really?

ND?
Uconn?

Yes really; the bottom line is W's and L's but Lavin needs to build a program, needs to build a brand, a style. I have made no bones about the fact I don't like how we play and against Providence I finally saw flashes of a team out there; not five guys who don't play together but win some in spite of that approach because they have talent. That style will win you some games, lose you some you shouldn't (as we have seen) and in the long run never be consistent. I am old school and like Bobby Knight, I believe that you play against the game, not your opponent. Give Bourgault some of Greene's minutes and I think we win going away. One small but telling example, relatively early in the game, Bourgault gets a pass on the wing, ball barely touches his hands and he feeds Obekpa in the post, who just as quickly hits Sampson on the baseline for a jam. Greene would not have thrown that pass in a month of Sundays but a minute later Bourgault is on the bench for the game while Greene does his usual for the rest of the game. Become a craw in my stomach because I feel Bourgault knows and plays the team game and I think we would be much better with him on the court. I would like Lavin to leave him in and find out rather than the one shot cameos he currently gives him.

+1000

 

[L J S A]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

Good to see the board's martyr complex quota won't go unfilled in Joe3's absence.

glad to see you keep bringing up the same mantra over and over ,

Pretty sure this is the only time I've said this to you. But perhaps I've said it to one or more of your old screen names.

 

[redmannorth]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

BECAUSE YOU USUALLY POST IN ALL CAPS WHICH ANNOYS THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE

look i was told by a poster on here in pm that dinkings mjmaher and logen are part of the good old boys club where if you say anything to disagree they will make sure you get banned. ive been warned so ill proceed to not reply to you as it will only get me banned bye bye

Dinkins, mjmaher and Logen are all great long-time posters but to say that a special group of rules exists for them is just crap.
Just a few days ago I censored one of their posts when inappropriate language was used. In fact as I recently mentioned one of my own posts was recently sent to the graveyard as it was felt the topic had outlived its useful life.
Rules are rules and they must be followed by all.
You come on to make your point over and over and spam the board with crap.
When your point of view is not accepted you start to post in caps and now call out the moderators saying we ban people who don"t agree with our friend"s point of view.
I have never heard so much hogwash in such a brief period of time.
I strongly suggest you stick to discussing bball and not the conduct of other posters or the inactions of the moderators.
Have a nice day.

 

[logen]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

BECAUSE YOU USUALLY POST IN ALL CAPS WHICH ANNOYS THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE

look i was told by a poster on here in pm that dinkings mjmaher and logen are part of the good old boys club where if you say anything to disagree they will make sure you get banned. ive been warned so ill proceed to not reply to you as it will only get me banned bye bye

Well, don't believe that pm poster; I have posted here for a long time but am part of no club and have never had anything to do with getting anyone banned. I don't see why anyone should be banned just because they leave all their senses elsewhere when they post.

 

[Redfaced]

Sorry but I'm done with moral victories.... Bottom line whether we agree or disagree with what happened to dlo, we are a bad team without him! He is for all his faults still the heart and sole of this team and our leader, we have no one to turn to now..... How can a big we honestly think we can win with the players we have..... No shooters, no basketball iq, no team play, our program is in a bad way right now guys

You've got to be kidding. Harrison was the heart and soul of nothing and no leader. IMO, we played one of our best games of the season against Providence; we finally looked like a TEAM. Losing is no fun and I am completely befuddled by Lavin's refusal to play Bourgault but I enjoyed the Providence game more than any other this season. Lavin needs to build a program, not peck for wins catering to a kid who thinks he is above everything and everyone else. I understand I may be in an extreme minority but that's how I see it.

You are nt in the minority at all. There are many on this site who think the same way. I have even gone as far to say that this team would ave been much further in its development as a TEAM were it not for Harrison's presence on the court. I, for one, do not look forward to his return.

 

[MJDinkins]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

BECAUSE YOU USUALLY POST IN ALL CAPS WHICH ANNOYS THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE

look i was told by a poster on here in pm that dinkings mjmaher and logen are part of the good old boys club where if you say anything to disagree they will make sure you get banned. ive been warned so ill proceed to not reply to you as it will only get me banned bye bye

I don't care what you were told by a poster. I also wouldn't doubt it's someone who talks a bunch of foolishness like you do (if that PM even existed). If you bring some commentary to the board, other than trying to be a nuisance, then you wouldn't get any stuff thrown back at you. Please! Do not play the victim. Everything you've received on this board, so far, has been warranted.

Besides, I've never had anyone banned from the board. The posters who were banned have done a good job of doing so on their own.

 

[MJDinkins]

ITS FUNNY A LOT OF NEGATIVE PEOPLE ON HERE BUT IF I SAY SOMETHING TO THE SAME EFFECT PEOPLE WANT ME BANNED. BUT IF THE SAME OTHER PEOPLE WHO SAY I DO IT MAKE NEGATIVE POST NO PROBLEM WOW JUST WOW

BECAUSE YOU USUALLY POST IN ALL CAPS WHICH ANNOYS THE HELL OUT OF PEOPLE

look i was told by a poster on here in pm that dinkings mjmaher and logen are part of the good old boys club where if you say anything to disagree they will make sure you get banned. ive been warned so ill proceed to not reply to you as it will only get me banned bye bye

Dinkins, mjmaher and Logen are all great long-time posters but to say that a special group of rules exists for them is just crap.
Just a few days ago I censored one of their posts when inappropriate language was used. In fact as I recently mentioned one of my own posts was recently sent to the graveyard as it was felt the topic had outlived its useful life.
Rules are rules and they must be followed by all.
You come on to make your point over and over and spam the board with crap.
When your point of view is not accepted you start to post in caps and now call out the moderators saying we ban people who don"t agree with our friend"s point of view.
I have never heard so much hogwash in such a brief period of time.
I strongly suggest you stick to discussing bball and not the conduct of other posters or the inactions of the moderators.
Have a nice day.

Exactly! It was my post that was censored.

By the way, I couldn't have said it better, 'north.

 

[L J S A]

Hmmm, going after MJDinkins and MJMaher. I wonder who that could be. . .