(POST GAME) St. Peter’s, Wed., Nov. 25, 7p, FS2 / 970 AM WNYM

I’ll say one thing after tonight and watching Julian last year Mike definitely has an eye for talent. His scouting has been great.
 
[quote="Monte" post=403219][quote="Moose" post=403186][quote="Monte" post=403171][quote="mjmaherjr" post=403154]Heed the Monte hame warnings he was on the money with this one[/quote]


Right now we are the equivalent of a decent mid major team. Same as St Pete's. Of course it's one game and we didn't have Champ. We'll get better, but so will most teams. Think we found some good things tonight: Cole, Posh and Moore (offense) to name 3. Not sure why CMA played Wusu so much. Thought Earl should have been in for last 5 minutes of game. Of newcomers, wasn't impressed with Toro. Very early, but we did about what I expected; pulled out a win against an evenly matched team.[/quote]

Re: Wusu who did you want to see in there. I think you probably wanted Dunn but he was clearly hurt and not coming back in. Some could argue Wusu deserved to be out there if Dunn wasn't hurt. Lord know the others didn't.[/quote]

Thought Earl should have been in, mostly because of experience, but probably wouldn't have made much of a difference. Earl was playing like crap anyways.[/quote]

Fair

We know CMA isnt afraid to sit players who play like crap. Hello New Years Eve last year against DePaul with LJ.
 
[quote="Making Plays" post=403214][quote="SJU61982" post=403210][quote="Making Plays" post=403200][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=403187]What do you guys think was up with the vets? Dunn, Gwill and Duke led this team last year. They just let these new kids come in and take the reigns??

Something was off w/ our vets.[/quote]

Something like more talent came in and they been getting outplayed at practice and it showed up in the game today. I'm not going to lie I was one of Dunn's biggest defenders when people kept putting Posh over him in lineups, I'm eating crow on that, because there a big talent gap, Dunn's starting days are numbered if not already over. Even in Dunn's best game last year, I don't ever remember him being that disruptive on the defensive end and just having such much control over the offense. I now see why Jordan Riley's dad thought his son would have no chance to play PG here, Posh has got it locked up for the next 4 (Maybe 5) years.

I ultimately see this team ending up being a 9 man rotation once the dust settles.

Starters
Posh
Williams
Cole
Champ
Moore

Bench
Dunn
Wusu
Earlington
Toro

I know tonight was rough, but man once Posh, Cole, and Moore put it together to go along with Champagnie, the future looks good.[/quote]

If McGriff can ever get healthy, he would be 10.

I don't think you can play the way Anderson wants to, and only go 9 or 10 deep. The guys are going to need some rest. You just have to try and hide the ones who aren't performing as well. Unfortunately, that became harder to do tonight, once Posh got his 3rd foul. That's really when we started struggling offensively.[/quote]

McGriff is healthy isn't he? He was dressed out for this game, and he played in the Red/White scrimmage. He played a lot in the scrimmage actually and only made 1 shot and didn't do anything else of note.[/quote]

OK, didn't know he participated in that. Was busy the day of that practice, one of the few times I've been busy during this pandemic.

If he's healthy, he's got to play at least a few minutes. Would like to see what kind of a ball handling option he can be, and Posh is going to need breaks at some point. Don't want Dunn to be the only option, since he is best at creating for himself.
 
[quote="Moose" post=403222][quote="Monte" post=403219][quote="Moose" post=403186][quote="Monte" post=403171][quote="mjmaherjr" post=403154]Heed the Monte hame warnings he was on the money with this one[/quote]


Right now we are the equivalent of a decent mid major team. Same as St Pete's. Of course it's one game and we didn't have Champ. We'll get better, but so will most teams. Think we found some good things tonight: Cole, Posh and Moore (offense) to name 3. Not sure why CMA played Wusu so much. Thought Earl should have been in for last 5 minutes of game. Of newcomers, wasn't impressed with Toro. Very early, but we did about what I expected; pulled out a win against an evenly matched team.[/quote]

Re: Wusu who did you want to see in there. I think you probably wanted Dunn but he was clearly hurt and not coming back in. Some could argue Wusu deserved to be out there if Dunn wasn't hurt. Lord know the others didn't.[/quote]

Thought Earl should have been in, mostly because of experience, but probably wouldn't have made much of a difference. Earl was playing like crap anyways.[/quote]

Fair

We know CMA isnt afraid to sit players who play like crap. Hello New Years Eve last year against DePaul with LJ.[/quote]

It was against Butler, but he was kind of forced into that, because LJ got called for his fourth foul about a minute into the second half. It was much easier not to go back to him, when the others started playing well.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=403225][quote="Moose" post=403222][quote="Monte" post=403219][quote="Moose" post=403186][quote="Monte" post=403171][quote="mjmaherjr" post=403154]Heed the Monte hame warnings he was on the money with this one[/quote]


Right now we are the equivalent of a decent mid major team. Same as St Pete's. Of course it's one game and we didn't have Champ. We'll get better, but so will most teams. Think we found some good things tonight: Cole, Posh and Moore (offense) to name 3. Not sure why CMA played Wusu so much. Thought Earl should have been in for last 5 minutes of game. Of newcomers, wasn't impressed with Toro. Very early, but we did about what I expected; pulled out a win against an evenly matched team.[/quote]

Re: Wusu who did you want to see in there. I think you probably wanted Dunn but he was clearly hurt and not coming back in. Some could argue Wusu deserved to be out there if Dunn wasn't hurt. Lord know the others didn't.[/quote]

Thought Earl should have been in, mostly because of experience, but probably wouldn't have made much of a difference. Earl was playing like crap anyways.[/quote]

Fair

We know CMA isnt afraid to sit players who play like crap. Hello New Years Eve last year against DePaul with LJ.[/quote]

It was against Butler, but he was kind of forced into that, because LJ got called for his fourth foul about a minute into the second half. It was much easier not to go back to him, when the others started playing well.[/quote]

Thank you. No idea why I typed DePaul

But then he brought LJ in for last possession and Dunn dribbled it off his knee I believe.
 
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[quote="Monte" post=403171][quote="mjmaherjr" post=403154]Heed the Monte hame warnings he was on the money with this one[/quote]


Right now we are the equivalent of a decent mid major team. Same as St Pete's. .[/quote]

The MAAC is a low level Mid-Major. Conferences like MAC, MVC, WCC are true Mid-Major conferences. The MAAC is not on that level at all.
 
But I thought the coach had them ALL SUMMER, not letting kids go home and then had double sessions from Labor Day on for 6 weeks? If they are not in shape, then when? And they have been practicing together for 5 months already. How much more practice ? Other teams did not start till Aug/Sept and at times got shut down for Covid.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=403227][quote="Monte" post=403171][quote="mjmaherjr" post=403154]Heed the Monte hame warnings he was on the money with this one[/quote]


Right now we are the equivalent of a decent mid major team. Same as St Pete's. .[/quote]

The MAAC is a low level Mid-Major. Conferences like MAC, MVC, WCC are true Mid-Major conferences. The MAAC is not on that level at all.[/quote]

So you're saying that we're the equivalent of a decent low level mid-major?
 
[quote="AJ Hidell" post=403229]But I thought the coach had them ALL SUMMER, not letting kids go home and then had double sessions from Labor Day on for 6 weeks? If they are not in shape, then when? And they have been practicing together for 5 months already. How much more practice ? Other teams did not start till Aug/Sept and at times got shut down for Covid.[/quote]

All teams start practice at same time.
All teams are allowed informal workouts all summer.
Yes covid impacted some teams to date but nobody got a head start in the summer so let’s stop that narrative
 
It's one game. If we play well tomorrow, all the bitching and moaning will stop.

I was very impressed with Posh He played like a seasoned veteran. Cole has an unorthodox shot but he is clearly a scorer. Moore had some good moments. But, like many of you, I thought that the play of the returning players was lackluster. Williams has talent and played good defense but continued to defer to his teammates on offensive and needs to contribute more on that end. Earlington, Roberts and Caraher were nonexistent. Outside of Cole, our outside shooting was poor but our free throw percentage was very good. Posh and Dunn are our best ball handlers. One of them should be on the court at all times.

With several newcomers playing significant minutes, it's going to take awhile for this team to jell. It was not a pretty win, but it was a win. This team will learn from it's mistakes and will get better and better as the season progresses. We also played without, arguably, our best player.

I still have high hopes that this team will outperform the preseason predictions.
 
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Moose, ALL NCAA teams were allowed to start at the same date BUT SJU started practice a few weeks ahead of other Big East schools as they got a special exemption to practice from the Govenors office that even other NY colleges did not get as long as they stayed in Taffner. Nova kept their kids at home till almost school started, as did a few other member schools. Marquette flew all their players to campus, checked them in and the next day, Milwaukee went on lock down and they flew all their players home for a few weeks. PROV started 2cweeks after SJU and then only 3 players and one coach in the gym for almost 3 weeks. CREIGHTON hardly ever got started because of their Covid problems in Omaha. Georgetown did not allow athletes on campus till mid to late August. And SJU did not have INFORMAL workouts, they were regularly scheduled sessions, all taped up, three players every hr with the full staff on the court for 4 or days a week, in addition to required strength and conditioning workouts each day. These were not summer voluntary workouts. After 2 weeks of that, it was bumped to 6 players for 2 weeks, then up to full squad workouts with all the coaches and staff on the court. Informal is players go on the court by themselves and coaches watch from upstairs in their offices.
 
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[quote="Duke of Earlington" post=403207][quote="Making Plays" post=403200][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=403187]What do you guys think was up with the vets? Dunn, Gwill and Duke led this team last year. They just let these new kids come in and take the reigns??

Something was off w/ our vets.[/quote]

Something like more talent came in and they been getting outplayed at practice and it showed up in the game today. I'm not going to lie I was one of Dunn's biggest defenders when people kept putting Posh over him in lineups, I'm eating crow on that, because there a big talent gap, Dunn's starting days are numbered if not already over. Even in Dunn's best game last year, I don't ever remember him being that disruptive on the defensive end and just having such much control over the offense. I now see why Jordan Riley's dad thought his son would have no chance to play PG here, Posh has got it locked up for the next 4 (Maybe 5) years.

I ultimately see this team ending up being a 9 man rotation once the dust settles.

Starters
Posh
Williams
Cole
Champ
Moore

Bench
Dunn
Wusu
Earlington
Toro

I know tonight was rough, but man once Posh, Cole, and Moore put it together to go along with Champagnie, the future looks good.[/quote]

Very god post. I cant disagree. Im hoping the vets take tonight personel and come out against lasalle tomorrow and dominate. I will not give up on them just yet.[/quote]

They should have took the scrimmage personally, they got punked. I guess tonight is what happens when newbies are the leaders.

Hoping champ is our leader this year.
 
[quote="EliteBaller K" post=403243][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=403207][quote="Making Plays" post=403200][quote="Duke of Earlington" post=403187]What do you guys think was up with the vets? Dunn, Gwill and Duke led this team last year. They just let these new kids come in and take the reigns??

Something was off w/ our vets.[/quote]

Something like more talent came in and they been getting outplayed at practice and it showed up in the game today. I'm not going to lie I was one of Dunn's biggest defenders when people kept putting Posh over him in lineups, I'm eating crow on that, because there a big talent gap, Dunn's starting days are numbered if not already over. Even in Dunn's best game last year, I don't ever remember him being that disruptive on the defensive end and just having such much control over the offense. I now see why Jordan Riley's dad thought his son would have no chance to play PG here, Posh has got it locked up for the next 4 (Maybe 5) years.

I ultimately see this team ending up being a 9 man rotation once the dust settles.

Starters
Posh
Williams
Cole
Champ
Moore

Bench
Dunn
Wusu
Earlington
Toro

I know tonight was rough, but man once Posh, Cole, and Moore put it together to go along with Champagnie, the future looks good.[/quote]

Very god post. I cant disagree. Im hoping the vets take tonight personel and come out against lasalle tomorrow and dominate. I will not give up on them just yet.[/quote]

They should have took the scrimmage personally, they got punked. I guess tonight is what happens when newbies are the leaders.

Hoping champ is our leader this year.[/quote]

I don't think they got punked, I think Posh, Cole and Moore may be the 3 most talented kids on the team. Granted it's only one game, so I'll wait a while before passing final judgement. I'll also wait for Big East play before deciding exactly how talented all the newcomers are, even Posh.
 
[quote="AJ Hidell" post=403242]Moose, all teams were allowed to start at the same date BUT SJU started practice a few weeks ahead of other Big East schools as they got a special exemption to practice from the Govenors office that even other NY colleges did not get. Nova kept their kids at home till almost school started, as did a few other member schools. And SJU did not have INFORMAL workouts, they were regularly scheduled sessions, all taped up, three players every hr with the full staff on the court for 4 or days a week, in addition to required strength and conditioning workouts each day. These were not summer voluntary workouts. After 2 weeks of that, it was bumped to 6 players for 2 weeks, then up to full squad workouts with all the coaches and staff on the court. Informal is players go on the court by themselves and coaches watch from upstairs in their offices.[/quote]

I call that informal. You want to call it something else that’s fine and semantics. All teams to my knowledge can do that and in fact do that all off season. NCAA has rules that prevent teams from circumventing these rules. Are you saying the NCAA rules went out the window? To my knowledge anyone who didn’t practice didn’t practice because of covid issues. Like how Nova kids all were exposed early on because to a party where women’s team was and then shut down. If teams lost time because of covid that’s life unfortunately. I wouldn’t complain if the script was flipped either. It’s 2020.
 
I’d add I was also disappointed with Toro today. He didn’t win a lot of rebounds I’d expect him to for a 5th year kid known for his rebounding. He should have owned the glass when he was in there. Need better from him.
 
This is Posh's team and will be for years. He was a leader in the huddles and on the court and played harder than the rest of the team. CMA hardly gave him a breather. That's how much he means to the team already.
 
[quote="Logen" post=403191][quote="Making Plays" post=403168][quote="Mean Gene" post=403159]That might have been the worst defensive game I’ve ever seen a CMA team play.[/quote]

That's what happens when you don't get much time to practice and have a team full of newcomers, it's going to be a learn as you go season, not only for the Johnnies but for other teams as well. This season due to covid is going to be absolutely crazy and unpredictable. There will be some teams with no practice for 2 weeks after a positive test going into a game. There's already been a few upsets tonight.

This just happened.
https://twitter.com/JonRothstein/status/1331781117607809026[/quote]

Disagree, St. Peter’s had 10 practices going into the game and lost two top players from last year to transfer. Getting beat consistently off the dribble is not from lack of practice. Defense is desire and starts with taking pride in keeping your man in front of you. Protecting the rim and help rotation should be second nature at this level and we showed neither. I believe it was Mean Gene who pointed out, just a horrible defensive game.[/quote]

The post I was responding to was the guy was saying this was the worst defensively he's ever seen a CMA team play. The reason for that as I posted was because lack of practice time due to covid and 5 of his top 10 players are newcomers.

CMA's 40 minutes of hell defense takes a lot of practice and organization, despite what some people think, it's not just him running guys out there and pressing and something that's learned in a few practices, it takes a lot of time and communication to get those rotations down, even the highest of IQ newcomers take a while to pick it up, that's why you always hear CMA joke when he has a lot of new players that it's going to probably be 10 minutes of hell and 30 minutes of what the hell, because he knows it takes a while for kids to pick it up. I don't care if the other team only had 1 practice together, if guys haven't fully picked up the defense yet, it's not going to look good no matter who the opponent is, a lot of guys were out of position tonight, as they get more experience in the system that will get cleaned up.
 
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