(POST-GAME) @Seton Hall (Pru Ctr), Sat. Dec. 29, 8:30p, FSN / 570AM

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[quote="frank" post=310523]It goes along with some of the great unforgettable losses. At least Lou kicked the chair when they called a charge against George Johnson in the final minutes that would have been called a basket and block , and put us ahead against that great 1976 Indiana team in the Holiday Festival. The garden was rocking[/quote]

Memories....
 
[quote="Logen" post=310532][quote="Beast of the East" post=310518]Here's clarity. Our guys played poorly for the last 8 minutes. They stood around and hoisted shots that the defense gave them, and it allowed SH to climb into the game. Everybody would agree with that. It takes no genius or higher knowledge of the game.

It became a 10 second game.
Seton hall was given 3 possessions to win the game in those last 10 seconds when they should have had 2. Their last shot was a result of a bad decision by a big man on the way to the hoop guarded by 6ft 2 ponds. He passed it to a guy averaging 1.4 mpg. Defenses sag in those moments and villanova won championship 1 by banking on that.

The coaches will reinforce in the next practice that getting to that point with poor play cost them the game but it doesn't change the fact that a horrifically bad whistle when the game should have been over caused this, not what happened before that.[/quote]

Cry about the refs all you want, the players and coaches lost that game, not the refs. Anyone with a modicum of objectivity knows that bad calls happen all the time. You play poorly and keep the other team in the game, you get what you asked for. One call never decides a game, regardless of when it is made. Our poor play made that poor call everything and that is on the team.[/quote]
Logen...while much of what you say makes sense, this was a clear error which directly resulted in the loss...nothing grey about it...we played well enough to have that margin of error which we unfortunately coughed up. Did we shoot ourselves in the foot. Absolutely.

The fact that we blew it doesn’t change the magnitude of that ref’s bleepup
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=310536]Steere at game & now living on campus. Needed to stop grousing about the disappointment lol

Marquette win at home is quite important on several levels. Don’t want to dig a hole to start season in such a competitive league.

Lastly, my buddy Monte is far from a “dick” lol[/quote]
Team will respond.
 
[quote="Amaseinyourface" post=310610][quote="MJDinkins" post=310583][quote="we are sju" post=310567]I have said this since he started doing it but Ponds taking a half off and not shooting is not right. He just needs to balance it out better.[/quote]

IMO, it doesn't quite look intuitive. It kinda seems somewhat forced. I know he's a good passer and all, but this style of ball where he's barely looking at the basket and attempting to get his cohorts involved just doesn't seem organic.

He needs to be himself.[/quote]

Not saying you guys are wrong and it’s obvious sometimes he’s making a point to pass and to shoot, but didn’t we play fantastic in the first half when he was doing just that?[/quote]

Yes when everyone is hitting shots. He still needs to involve himself. His driving to the basket is our best shot and when he gets that going his outside shot tends to start falling. Just saying he has to stay involved more. Can't just pass for a half.
 
[quote="Phil G" post=310657]Wish Mulljn showed more emotion
Especially yesterday[/quote]

It's amazing, for the first 3 years people complain he is on the refs too much, now not enough?
 
[quote="41ndone" post=310644][quote="Mean Gene" post=310642][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310603][quote="Adam" post=310601][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310595]It’s 1pm and I’m not even close to over this fucking ref debacle. I’m not opposed to deporting then to Afghanistan or the north sentinel island. Oh and btw I know Monte and he is a great guy and definitely doesn’t have an agenda. I can see both sides of people who were pissed about the last 8 minutes of standing around on offense and no ball movement because I was furious during that time too. But the refs cost us the game IMO. I’m still fucking stunned[/quote]
I legit couldn't sleep last night because I kept waking up nightmare after nightmare.

This is the worst loss I can remember. Not because we lost, but because we 100% deserved to win.

**** the refs. I hope the team uses this as motivation every single remaining game. That is the only way to right the wrong.[/quote]


I had to take 2 ambien last night. One at 1:30 and then I woke up pissed as hell and took another at 4:30

And sorry to the mods for my cursing but this game warrants F bombs :)[/quote]

We are all right there with you Mr. Maher. This was a blatant blown call and a lie to cover it up. Val Ackerman and Stu Jackson are not worth shit as the heads of this league if they can’t come clean and also discipline these refs in some way.[/quote]

vackerman@bigeast.com

sjackson@bigeast.com[/quote]

Just sent this to Val Ackerman and Stu Jackson

Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson

I am writing to you in order to voice my extreme displeasure with the officiating at the end of last nights St. John’s vs Seton Hall game. It is not only that the blatant missed call cost St. John’s the game, but the lie and misrepresentation of the facts by both the referees, Mr. Jackson and yourself is completely and utterly despicable.

watching the play at the end could see that LJ Figueroa did not step out of bounds and executed a clean steal which was directed inbounds right to Mustapha Heron. The referee inadvertently blew the play dead in anticipation of Figueroa going out of bounds which never happened. In fact, he blew the whistle before the play was even completed due to his anticipation of the expected outcome. Then the lie and cover up began.

The explanation was that the clock never started which was false. Even if it didn’t start (hypothetically) , if a whistle is blown inadvertently and neither team possesses the ball , it should be then ruled a jump ball which should have gone to St. John’s as a result of the possession arrow. But, no, the referees not only lie about the clock not starting, they give the ball to Seton Hall. The clock went from 3.9 seconds to 3.5 seconds before the referee prematurely blew the whistle and then after the review they only put 3.1 seconds on the clock which screws St. John’s even more because after Seton Hall scored there was not enough time left for St. John’s to have a chance at a quality shot.

Then, as if that is not bad enough, after Seton Hall inbounds the Ball, Mamukelashvili blatantly walks with the ball and nothing is called and he passes the ball off for the winning shot. The utter incompetence of the referees stole this game from St. John’s last night and the response from the Big East office which I assume came yourself Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson was completely inadequate. Why was the whistle blown to begin with when Figueroa never steps out of bounds? Why were we told the clock never started when that was false? Why was time taken off the clock to begin play again? Why wasn’t St. John’s awarded to the ball due to the fact that Figueroa never stepped out of bounds or because after an inadvertent whistle where neither team possesses the ball it should have been awarded to St. John’s ? I and every other St. John’s fan needs these questions answered along with why traveling wasn’t called on Mamukleshvili.

This was arguably the most important game for the St. John’s Basketball Program in a very long time and to have it stolen from them the way it was is unacceptable. The Big East in my opinion needs St. John’s to be very good on a consistent basis and needs New York City engaged in order to truly compete with the power football conferences in basketball. I This game would have put the St. John’s program on a path towards achieving that goal and to have it ripped away from them in such fashion is a travesty. Also, for your office to put forth such a lame explanation of the aforementioned events at the end of the game is disgusting and does a huge disservice to both the St. John’s Basketball Program and the Big East itself. These referees should be disciplined in some fashion. To review the play for ten minutes and not get it right is complete incompetence.

This game, when all is said and done, could very well cost the St. John’s Basketball Program an NCAA Tournament Bid. If that were to happen, if the NCAA Selection Committee, in the end, decides that St. John’s just falls short of a bid, that they just did not quite do enough, then last nights referees along with you Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson must absorb part of the blame for not righting the wrong that has occurred here. If you want to be seen as big time conference along with the power football conferences then you have to act like one. What occurred last night was reminiscent of something that would occur in a CYO game. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so devastating to the St. John’s Basketball Program and their fan base.
 
[quote="fan5577" post=310662][quote="Phil G" post=310657]Wish Mulljn showed more emotion
Especially yesterday[/quote]

It's amazing, for the first 3 years people complain he is on the refs too much, now not enough?[/quote]
I love Mullin and have never criticized him but I too was surprised he didn't go nuts. They would have had to pull me off the court on the thing that put Hannibal Lechner in to transport him.
 
[quote="BasketballJones" post=310554]I get that a tired team played poorly in the last 10 minutes, maybe 14 by my view. However, that does not excuse the fact that LJF legitimately deflected and stole the inbounds pass with 3.9 seconds to go and the ref stopped play. Then both officials look extensively at a replay and awarded what amounts to a do over to SH. No one can justify that decision, except to say the clock never started in the home gym with the home team down 1 with 3.9 seconds left to play. St. John’s ball after the steal no matter who stopped play or why. This wasn’t just a bad call. It was a huge mistake by the ref to stop the clock in the first place, and then made worse by giving the ball back and to SH for another crack at it. Just covering his own ass. He gets demoted today if I’m commissioner. That was horrendous. And I’d say it if he did it in our favor too.[/quote]

Based on the replay, the reality is the clock did start and the refs hand was up b4 the ball or LJF hit the ground. There is absolutely no way the clock played any part in the refs decision to blow the whistle. Play happened too quickly for any human to have reacted to the clock. Clock was at 3.9, went to 3.4 at the whistle and they changed it to 3.1. Any spin that involves clock is horse$hit and an insult to our intelligence. BE should either say nothing or own up to it. Don’t put out some BS that no one believes.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=310560][quote="Ray Morgan" post=310550]It seems like everyone is expecting perfection. They outplayed a pretty goad Hall team for 36 minutes on the road, then reverted to bad habits, as tired teams do, and had 2 foul shots roll off the rim. A 10 point lead isn't the big deal it used to be. The 3 point shot changed that. One critique is that our lack of bigs that pound down low and lack of drives to the hoops left us still in the one and one in the last minute. Need to draw more fouls and be in the double bonus. Hall did a great job keeping Ponds in front of them, something our guards dont do enough of on defense. Ponds apparent level of exhaustion, evidenced by his shots being short and his failure to drive more, was a factor. Sometimes I get the feeling that all the advice and critiques Ponds got playing for NBA scouts and execs this summer has screwed with his head.[/quote]
Yup, the SH transfer from Sacred Heart, McKnight, really played Ponds extremely well, very quick player who stayed in front of him consistently.[/quote]
Absolutely but he had a lot of help. Kudos to Willard. Every time ponds attempted to dribble he was doubled by the big guy.
 
[quote="Mean Gene" post=310663][quote="41ndone" post=310644][quote="Mean Gene" post=310642][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310603][quote="Adam" post=310601][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310595]It’s 1pm and I’m not even close to over this fucking ref debacle. I’m not opposed to deporting then to Afghanistan or the north sentinel island. Oh and btw I know Monte and he is a great guy and definitely doesn’t have an agenda. I can see both sides of people who were pissed about the last 8 minutes of standing around on offense and no ball movement because I was furious during that time too. But the refs cost us the game IMO. I’m still fucking stunned[/quote]
I legit couldn't sleep last night because I kept waking up nightmare after nightmare.

This is the worst loss I can remember. Not because we lost, but because we 100% deserved to win.

**** the refs. I hope the team uses this as motivation every single remaining game. That is the only way to right the wrong.[/quote]


I had to take 2 ambien last night. One at 1:30 and then I woke up pissed as hell and took another at 4:30

And sorry to the mods for my cursing but this game warrants F bombs :)[/quote]

We are all right there with you Mr. Maher. This was a blatant blown call and a lie to cover it up. Val Ackerman and Stu Jackson are not worth shit as the heads of this league if they can’t come clean and also discipline these refs in some way.[/quote]

vackerman@bigeast.com

sjackson@bigeast.com[/quote]

Just sent this to Val Ackerman and Stu Jackson

Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson

I am writing to you in order to voice my extreme displeasure with the officiating at the end of last nights St. John’s vs Seton Hall game. It is not only that the blatant missed call cost St. John’s the game, but the lie and misrepresentation of the facts by both the referees, Mr. Jackson and yourself is completely and utterly despicable.

watching the play at the end could see that LJ Figueroa did not step out of bounds and executed a clean steal which was directed inbounds right to Mustapha Heron. The referee inadvertently blew the play dead in anticipation of Figueroa going out of bounds which never happened. In fact, he blew the whistle before the play was even completed due to his anticipation of the expected outcome. Then the lie and cover up began.

The explanation was that the clock never started which was false. Even if it didn’t start (hypothetically) , if a whistle is blown inadvertently and neither team possesses the ball , it should be then ruled a jump ball which should have gone to St. John’s as a result of the possession arrow. But, no, the referees not only lie about the clock not starting, they give the ball to Seton Hall. The clock went from 3.9 seconds to 3.5 seconds before the referee prematurely blew the whistle and then after the review they only put 3.1 seconds on the clock which screws St. John’s even more because after Seton Hall scored there was not enough time left for St. John’s to have a chance at a quality shot.

Then, as if that is not bad enough, after Seton Hall inbounds the Ball, Mamukelashvili blatantly walks with the ball and nothing is called and he passes the ball off for the winning shot. The utter incompetence of the referees stole this game from St. John’s last night and the response from the Big East office which I assume came yourself Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson was completely inadequate. Why was the whistle blown to begin with when Figueroa never steps out of bounds? Why were we told the clock never started when that was false? Why was time taken off the clock to begin play again? Why wasn’t St. John’s awarded to the ball due to the fact that Figueroa never stepped out of bounds or because after an inadvertent whistle where neither team possesses the ball it should have been awarded to St. John’s ? I and every other St. John’s fan needs these questions answered along with why traveling wasn’t called on Mamukleshvili.

This was arguably the most important game for the St. John’s Basketball Program in a very long time and to have it stolen from them the way it was is unacceptable. The Big East in my opinion needs St. John’s to be very good on a consistent basis and needs New York City engaged in order to truly compete with the power football conferences in basketball. I This game would have put the St. John’s program on a path towards achieving that goal and to have it ripped away from them in such fashion is a travesty. Also, for your office to put forth such a lame explanation of the aforementioned events at the end of the game is disgusting and does a huge disservice to both the St. John’s Basketball Program and the Big East itself. These referees should be disciplined in some fashion. To review the play for ten minutes and not get it right is complete incompetence.

This game, when all is said and done, could very well cost the St. John’s Basketball Program an NCAA Tournament Bid. If that were to happen, if the NCAA Selection Committee, in the end, decides that St. John’s just falls short of a bid, that they just did not quite do enough, then last nights referees along with you Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson must absorb part of the blame for not righting the wrong that has occurred here. If you want to be seen as big time conference along with the power football conferences then you have to act like one. What occurred last night was reminiscent of something that would occur in a CYO game. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so devastating to the St. John’s Basketball Program and their fan base.[/quote]

No sarcasm or criticism intended, I admire your zeal in sending this but Ackerman and Jackson care about two things, covering this up until it goes away and counting their tv money.
 
Believe me I want him to succeed. I attended sju during his last two years.

At times over the past he's been in the refs ear but yesterday on a blatant ref screw up. It seemed he took it passively
 
[quote="Ray Morgan" post=310575][quote="Paultzman" post=310560][quote="Ray Morgan" post=310550]It seems like everyone is expecting perfection. They outplayed a pretty goad Hall team for 36 minutes on the road, then reverted to bad habits, as tired teams do, and had 2 foul shots roll off the rim. A 10 point lead isn't the big deal it used to be. The 3 point shot changed that. One critique is that our lack of bigs that pound down low and lack of drives to the hoops left us still in the one and one in the last minute. Need to draw more fouls and be in the double bonus. Hall did a great job keeping Ponds in front of them, something our guards dont do enough of on defense. Ponds apparent level of exhaustion, evidenced by his shots being short and his failure to drive more, was a factor. Sometimes I get the feeling that all the advice and critiques Ponds got playing for NBA scouts and execs this summer has screwed with his head.[/quote]
Yup, the SH transfer from Sacred Heart, McKnight, really played Ponds extremely well, very quick player who stayed in front of him consistently.[/quote]

Ponds has shown he can get by anyone. I still believe that. Do you think it was just great defense, or a combo of very good defense and a drained Ponds with no legs under him?[/quote]

A good double team strategy and Ponds along with others got tired.

I noticed it in the warmups leading to 2nd half. Prior to game, our guys were hitting everything. Half time, all of them were clanking them short. Remarked to my buddy that energy level looked drained.
 
[quote="Section3" post=310654][quote="Logen" post=310532][quote="Beast of the East" post=310518]Here's clarity. Our guys played poorly for the last 8 minutes. They stood around and hoisted shots that the defense gave them, and it allowed SH to climb into the game. Everybody would agree with that. It takes no genius or higher knowledge of the game.

It became a 10 second game.
Seton hall was given 3 possessions to win the game in those last 10 seconds when they should have had 2. Their last shot was a result of a bad decision by a big man on the way to the hoop guarded by 6ft 2 ponds. He passed it to a guy averaging 1.4 mpg. Defenses sag in those moments and villanova won championship 1 by banking on that.

The coaches will reinforce in the next practice that getting to that point with poor play cost them the game but it doesn't change the fact that a horrifically bad whistle when the game should have been over caused this, not what happened before that.[/quote]

Cry about the refs all you want, the players and coaches lost that game, not the refs. Anyone with a modicum of objectivity knows that bad calls happen all the time. You play poorly and keep the other team in the game, you get what you asked for. One call never decides a game, regardless of when it is made. Our poor play made that poor call everything and that is on the team.[/quote]
Logen...while much of what you say makes sense, this was a clear error which directly resulted in the loss...nothing grey about it...we played well enough to have that margin of error which we unfortunately coughed up. Did we shoot ourselves in the foot. Absolutely.

The fact that we blew it doesn’t change the magnitude of that ref’s bleepup[/quote]

I have to agree with Logen on the closing minutes of the game. It was a big blown call but we handed the game to Seton Hall by missing 9 straight attempts at the basket on mostly bad shots. I'm the first to pin losses more on the coaches for poor in game coaching but even Shamorie Ponds owned up to taking responsibility for the loss. Great players don't shoot 2-13 and commit 5 key turnovers. Great players don't casually bring the ball inbounds or take 25 foot prayer shots. Unfortunately for Ponds his next test is against the best guard in the conference. These two matchups will impact his NBA Draft status because if you can't handle the college competition you damn sure won't handle NBA competition.
The bottom line is if Ponds had even an average offensive game we would have won going away.
 
[quote="41ndone" post=310644][quote="Mean Gene" post=310642][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310603][quote="Adam" post=310601][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310595]It’s 1pm and I’m not even close to over this fucking ref debacle. I’m not opposed to deporting then to Afghanistan or the north sentinel island. Oh and btw I know Monte and he is a great guy and definitely doesn’t have an agenda. I can see both sides of people who were pissed about the last 8 minutes of standing around on offense and no ball movement because I was furious during that time too. But the refs cost us the game IMO. I’m still fucking stunned[/quote]
I legit couldn't sleep last night because I kept waking up nightmare after nightmare.

This is the worst loss I can remember. Not because we lost, but because we 100% deserved to win.

**** the refs. I hope the team uses this as motivation every single remaining game. That is the only way to right the wrong.[/quote]


I had to take 2 ambien last night. One at 1:30 and then I woke up pissed as hell and took another at 4:30

And sorry to the mods for my cursing but this game warrants F bombs :)[/quote]

We are all right there with you Mr. Maher. This was a blatant blown call and a lie to cover it up. Val Ackerman and Stu Jackson are not worth shit as the heads of this league if they can’t come clean and also discipline these refs in some way.[/quote]

vackerman@bigeast.com

sjackson@bigeast.com[/quote]
 
[quote="IDRAFT" post=310598]For me it’s not the blown call, it’s that they spent ten minutes at the monitor and didn’t reverse it. If that call could not be overturned there is no reason to review out of bounds calls in the last two minutes. None.

There will not be a more obvious out of bounds call to reverse in the entire NCAA season.

Review should be abolished it all it does is take the momentum of the game away and it solves nothing.[/quote]
There is absolutely a reason to spend an inordinate amount of time reviewing the replay when you’re looking to come up with some justification.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=310603][quote="Adam" post=310601][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310595]It’s 1pm and I’m not even close to over this fucking ref debacle. I’m not opposed to deporting then to Afghanistan or the north sentinel island. Oh and btw I know Monte and he is a great guy and definitely doesn’t have an agenda. I can see both sides of people who were pissed about the last 8 minutes of standing around on offense and no ball movement because I was furious during that time too. But the refs cost us the game IMO. I’m still fucking stunned[/quote]
I legit couldn't sleep last night because I kept waking up nightmare after nightmare.

This is the worst loss I can remember. Not because we lost, but because we 100% deserved to win.

**** the refs. I hope the team uses this as motivation every single remaining game. That is the only way to right the wrong.[/quote]


I had to take 2 ambien last night. One at 1:30 and then I woke up pissed as hell and took another at 4:30

And sorry to the mods for my cursing but this game warrants F bombs :)[/quote]
Now that’s a fan!!!! Love it
 
[quote="Logen" post=310669][quote="Mean Gene" post=310663][quote="41ndone" post=310644][quote="Mean Gene" post=310642][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310603][quote="Adam" post=310601][quote="mjmaherjr" post=310595]It’s 1pm and I’m not even close to over this fucking ref debacle. I’m not opposed to deporting then to Afghanistan or the north sentinel island. Oh and btw I know Monte and he is a great guy and definitely doesn’t have an agenda. I can see both sides of people who were pissed about the last 8 minutes of standing around on offense and no ball movement because I was furious during that time too. But the refs cost us the game IMO. I’m still fucking stunned[/quote]
I legit couldn't sleep last night because I kept waking up nightmare after nightmare.

This is the worst loss I can remember. Not because we lost, but because we 100% deserved to win.

**** the refs. I hope the team uses this as motivation every single remaining game. That is the only way to right the wrong.[/quote]


I had to take 2 ambien last night. One at 1:30 and then I woke up pissed as hell and took another at 4:30

And sorry to the mods for my cursing but this game warrants F bombs :)[/quote]

We are all right there with you Mr. Maher. This was a blatant blown call and a lie to cover it up. Val Ackerman and Stu Jackson are not worth shit as the heads of this league if they can’t come clean and also discipline these refs in some way.[/quote]

vackerman@bigeast.com

sjackson@bigeast.com[/quote]

Just sent this to Val Ackerman and Stu Jackson

Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson

I am writing to you in order to voice my extreme displeasure with the officiating at the end of last nights St. John’s vs Seton Hall game. It is not only that the blatant missed call cost St. John’s the game, but the lie and misrepresentation of the facts by both the referees, Mr. Jackson and yourself is completely and utterly despicable.

watching the play at the end could see that LJ Figueroa did not step out of bounds and executed a clean steal which was directed inbounds right to Mustapha Heron. The referee inadvertently blew the play dead in anticipation of Figueroa going out of bounds which never happened. In fact, he blew the whistle before the play was even completed due to his anticipation of the expected outcome. Then the lie and cover up began.

The explanation was that the clock never started which was false. Even if it didn’t start (hypothetically) , if a whistle is blown inadvertently and neither team possesses the ball , it should be then ruled a jump ball which should have gone to St. John’s as a result of the possession arrow. But, no, the referees not only lie about the clock not starting, they give the ball to Seton Hall. The clock went from 3.9 seconds to 3.5 seconds before the referee prematurely blew the whistle and then after the review they only put 3.1 seconds on the clock which screws St. John’s even more because after Seton Hall scored there was not enough time left for St. John’s to have a chance at a quality shot.

Then, as if that is not bad enough, after Seton Hall inbounds the Ball, Mamukelashvili blatantly walks with the ball and nothing is called and he passes the ball off for the winning shot. The utter incompetence of the referees stole this game from St. John’s last night and the response from the Big East office which I assume came yourself Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson was completely inadequate. Why was the whistle blown to begin with when Figueroa never steps out of bounds? Why were we told the clock never started when that was false? Why was time taken off the clock to begin play again? Why wasn’t St. John’s awarded to the ball due to the fact that Figueroa never stepped out of bounds or because after an inadvertent whistle where neither team possesses the ball it should have been awarded to St. John’s ? I and every other St. John’s fan needs these questions answered along with why traveling wasn’t called on Mamukleshvili.

This was arguably the most important game for the St. John’s Basketball Program in a very long time and to have it stolen from them the way it was is unacceptable. The Big East in my opinion needs St. John’s to be very good on a consistent basis and needs New York City engaged in order to truly compete with the power football conferences in basketball. I This game would have put the St. John’s program on a path towards achieving that goal and to have it ripped away from them in such fashion is a travesty. Also, for your office to put forth such a lame explanation of the aforementioned events at the end of the game is disgusting and does a huge disservice to both the St. John’s Basketball Program and the Big East itself. These referees should be disciplined in some fashion. To review the play for ten minutes and not get it right is complete incompetence.

This game, when all is said and done, could very well cost the St. John’s Basketball Program an NCAA Tournament Bid. If that were to happen, if the NCAA Selection Committee, in the end, decides that St. John’s just falls short of a bid, that they just did not quite do enough, then last nights referees along with you Ms. Ackerman and Mr. Jackson must absorb part of the blame for not righting the wrong that has occurred here. If you want to be seen as big time conference along with the power football conferences then you have to act like one. What occurred last night was reminiscent of something that would occur in a CYO game. It would be laughable if it wasn’t so devastating to the St. John’s Basketball Program and their fan base.[/quote]

No sarcasm or criticism intended, I admire your zeal in sending this but Ackerman and Jackson care about two things, covering this up until it goes away and counting their tv money.[/quote]

It felt good!! Lol
 
[quote="Section3" post=310674][quote="IDRAFT" post=310598]For me it’s not the blown call, it’s that they spent ten minutes at the monitor and didn’t reverse it. If that call could not be overturned there is no reason to review out of bounds calls in the last two minutes. None.

There will not be a more obvious out of bounds call to reverse in the entire NCAA season.

Review should be abolished it all it does is take the momentum of the game away and it solves nothing.[/quote]
There is absolutely a reason to spend an inordinate amount of time reviewing the replay when you’re looking to come up with some justification.[/quote]
The one factor that is rarely mentioned is that Seton Hall (I believe) was OUT OF TIME OUTS. The false whistle and subsequent ENDLESS review allowed SH to get a free time-out and design a new play after the first play had failed. Terrible.
 
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