(POST GAME) (@MSG) Pittsburgh, Sat., Dec. 18, 12 Noon, FS-1
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it doesn’t help when the opposition hits 16 more free throws on 14 more attempts.
If you just look at the box score you'd say we lost this one at the foul line. If you listen to our coach, you'd say it was lack of toughness on the boards and turning the ball over after good defense. However, while both of those contributed to the loss, watching the game it was apparent we also lost due to lack of any offensive sets, failure to go to Soriano enough and some awful substitution patterns. All of those are on the coach and he and his players needs to get better fast or we will finish with 7 or 8 Big East wins at best.
Frankly I just don't understand why he only played Coburn 3 minutes; when he was in there in the first half he was focused on defense and hit his only shot a nice three. Wonder if he may decide to just focus on his studies since Coach appears determined not to play him anyway.
Frankly I just don't understand why he only played Coburn 3 minutes; when he was in there in the first half he was focused on defense and hit his only shot a nice three. Wonder if he may decide to just focus on his studies since Coach appears determined not to play him anyway.
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Dear CMA, I don't need you to tell me that the sun is going to come up tomorrow. I can figure that one out on my own. I need you to figure out how to win games like this. Besides, I could drop dead tonight and not only would I not see the sun come up, I'd take my last breath right after having watched one of the worst games in SJU history. And if that should happen, it would not be a coincidence.RedStormNC post=447472 said:
Did staff bring in one big east quality player other then maybe the two freshman? They should have done everything they could have to keep what we had. Who chased all the upperclassmen we had last year. Something up Icant figure out. I thought he might be bringing in better players but that cant be the case. Not one guy who is a real player.
I think both Pinzon and Stanley will be contributors in future years, but it is unrealistic to expect that lower ranked kids can come in and be significant contributors right off the bat. Champ was the exception, and that gave much of our fan base the notion that CMA has sort some magical insight in to low ranked kids. The kind of insight that the recruiting services and other high D1 coaches don't have. I think we can now safely say that that notion is pure, unadulterated folly.joe 49 post=447486 said:
Monte wrote:
I think both Pinzon and Stanley will be contributors in future years, but it is unrealistic to expect that lower ranked kids can come in and be significant contributors right off the bat. Champ was the exception, and that gave much of our fan base the notion that CMA has sort some magical insight in to low ranked kids. The kind of insight that the recruiting services and other high D1 coaches don't have. I think we can now safely say that that notion is pure, unadulterated folly.
To be fair Monte, Wusu came in as a very low ranked recruit and immediately became a rotation player last year and will be a very solid 4 year college player.
I think both Pinzon and Stanley will be contributors in future years, but it is unrealistic to expect that lower ranked kids can come in and be significant contributors right off the bat. Champ was the exception, and that gave much of our fan base the notion that CMA has sort some magical insight in to low ranked kids. The kind of insight that the recruiting services and other high D1 coaches don't have. I think we can now safely say that that notion is pure, unadulterated folly.
To be fair Monte, Wusu came in as a very low ranked recruit and immediately became a rotation player last year and will be a very solid 4 year college player.
You are correct NC, Wusu became a significant contributor as the year progressed and looks to be getting better and better this year. But I'll still argue that he played more than he should have last season based on the fact that we were short on talent and depth. This year's team is deeper but not as talented IMO. So he is being asked to start on a mediocre team. On a very good team he's probably a 10-15MPG contributor.NCJohnnie post=447491 said:
Yes a rotation player on an average to below average BE team. Agree solid but not really above average at least not yet. I believe we all tend to overrate our own players. If they were as good as we think they would be finishing in top half of league every year instead of the bottom half.NCJohnnie post=447491 said:
bamafan wrote:
Yes a rotation player on an average to below average BE team. Agree solid but not really above average at least not yet. I believe we all tend to overrate our own players. If they were as good as we think they would be finishing in top half of league every year instead of the bottom half.
Again to be fair, he was a rotation player on a team that finished 4th out of 11 in Big East last year not even close to the bottom half. Where they finish this year remains to be seen.
Yes a rotation player on an average to below average BE team. Agree solid but not really above average at least not yet. I believe we all tend to overrate our own players. If they were as good as we think they would be finishing in top half of league every year instead of the bottom half.
Again to be fair, he was a rotation player on a team that finished 4th out of 11 in Big East last year not even close to the bottom half. Where they finish this year remains to be seen.
10 teams last year and wow we went 10-9 in a down year in the BE and lost first round of BET in a covid year with no fans and we all know we have one of the worst home court advantages in the league so no fans hurt our competition more than it hurt us. OK not every year but certainly most years.NCJohnnie post=447509 said:
bamafan wrote:
10 teams last year and wow we went 10-9 in a down year in the BE and lost first round of BET in a covid year with no fans and we all know we have one of the worst home court advantages in the league so no fans hurt our competition more than it hurt us. OK not every year but certainly most years.
The point is I was talking about Wusu and he only played last year and for nowhere near a bottom of the league team. I don't think there is a coach in the Big East who wouldn't want to have Wusu on their team.
10 teams last year and wow we went 10-9 in a down year in the BE and lost first round of BET in a covid year with no fans and we all know we have one of the worst home court advantages in the league so no fans hurt our competition more than it hurt us. OK not every year but certainly most years.
The point is I was talking about Wusu and he only played last year and for nowhere near a bottom of the league team. I don't think there is a coach in the Big East who wouldn't want to have Wusu on their team.
Agree completely NC. Wusu is a coach's player and the kind of kid every coach would love to have. Also the kind of kid other kids love to play with, and fans love to watch and root for. We are very lucky to have him. My point is that he would have probably had a slightly lesser role on a better Big East team both last year and this year. Or maybe he's a starter this year on a better team with 4 other high level players.NCJohnnie post=447518 said:
So Monte says essentially the same thing I said and he gets a thank you while you argue with me. LOL Wish they had the middle finger emoji on here. /media/kunena/emoticons/wink.png/media/kunena/emoticons/smile.png/media/kunena/emoticons/cheerful.png (just so there's no misunderstanding I'm joking around). Guess I'm already over our bitter defeat.Monte post=447521 said:
bamafan wrote:
So Monte says essentially the same thing I said and he gets a thank you while you argue with me. LOL Wish they had the middle finger emoji on here.
(just so there's no misunderstanding I'm joking around). Guess I'm already over our bitter defeat.
Not arguing bama. Just pointing out I was right./media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png
I'm not even sure I used the right emoji as I am getting beyond my technical capabilities!
So Monte says essentially the same thing I said and he gets a thank you while you argue with me. LOL Wish they had the middle finger emoji on here.
(just so there's no misunderstanding I'm joking around). Guess I'm already over our bitter defeat.
Not arguing bama. Just pointing out I was right./media/kunena/emoticons/cool.png
I'm not even sure I used the right emoji as I am getting beyond my technical capabilities!