Porter Moser

This is a joke. The institution from top down deserves what they get. If you want to be the best and create a prominent program then you have to act like it and invest. The revenue will come when we start winning consistently and that is how you afford a proven winner.

How many people say they want a kia as a dream car? None. If you want a BMW then you but a BMW. This is bull shit.

Welcome to mediocrity.
 
Moser got to the FF after Virginia lost to a 16 seed. The team he beat in the Elite 8 was KState playing without its best player (Dean Wade). He also was fired by Illinois State. And this is who were are trading Mo for? if so our "rookie" AD should be out the door faster than Mo. This guy has no chance in New York and is as far from the Rainmaker that we need as the Assistant Coach at Duke.
 
https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/st-johns-hosts-ncaa-cinderella-coach-and-insists-theres-no-rush/

“There’s work to be done and every day that goes by, you’re losing ground in regards to recruiting,” one veteran Division I assistant coach said. “For every day that you drag this on, you’re losing time with potential graduate guys, home visits, visits to your campus from recruits.”

One local AAU coach, familiar with several players on the team, believes if this really drags out, St. John’s could lose many more players. The program needs the stability of a new coach, not a clandestine search that has kept a lot of people in the dark.

“People are anxious to see what direction they are going to go in,” the coach said. “Mike Cragg is being paid to do this job right now and we’ll see what kind of job he does.”
 
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If you take away his Final Four season (which, of course, you just can't do), he's 6 games under .500 overall as a D-1 head coach. That's over a period of 14 seasons, so it's not like he was just building a program, and bolted early.

He was fired from Illinois St., and they are not exactly a mid-major power.

In his first eight years coaching in the MVC, between Illinois St. and Loyola (which was in the Horizon when he started there, then moved to the MVC - I'm not including his first two years at Loyola for that reason), his conference record was a whopping 41-95. That's a .301 winning percentage. If Mullin couldn't survive four years in the Big East with a similar record, then I don't see this guy having much of a shelf life here.

This just smells of the school trying to save money, because other then two weeks last year, Cluess is far and away the better coach. If saving money on salary is their philosophy, then I hope they pass that philosophy down to the ticket holders, because it's going to be hard to pay top dollar for what this guy is likely to bring to the table.

Hope I'm wrong, and I'll be rooting for him, but this does not inspire great confidence from me, WRT the future of the program.
 
Lots of Mullin inner circle chiming in here. Wonder why not more vocal when Mullin was sinking his own ship not hiring assistants and the like?

I honestly don’t know what Moser will be able to do here, but i hope he gets support. Seems like he can coach. Can he do all the other things and find a way to stay near he top of the conference? Not sure, but I don’t think this stuff is magic. It takes talent and organization. We shall see if he can get talent.
 
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[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=341936]https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/st-johns-hosts-ncaa-cinderella-coach-and-insists-theres-no-rush/

“There’s work to be done and every day that goes by, you’re losing ground in regards to recruiting,” one veteran Division I assistant coach said. “For every day that you drag this on, you’re losing time with potential graduate guys, home visits, visits to your campus from recruits.”

One local AAU coach, familiar with several players on the team, believes if this really drags out, St. John’s could lose many more players. The program needs the stability of a new coach, not a clandestine search that has kept a lot of people in the dark.

“People are anxious to see what direction they are going to go in,” the coach said. “Mike Cragg is being paid to do this job right now and we’ll see what kind of job he does.”[/quote]

These types of articles the Post seem to put out anytime we are looking for a coach piss anyone else off?
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=341930]Moser is a very good coach. That’s what we need. Very charismatic, doesn’t skip out on recruiting and has a good eye for talent. He’s got a great pedigree coaching under Majerus and is hungry. Some point to an underwhelming record, but I’ve seen his teams play, and they play good basketball. Get him better talent and we can be tough. Coaches both ends of the floor, not just rolling the balls out. I think he’s a good long term choice to build this and has experience and knows what success takes. I’m all on board. He will also use social media and energize fans.[/quote]

Numbers don't lie my man. Most coaches don't get 8 years to make a Tourney. He had a good run on that FF but look closer. This hire will not move the needle and will further alienate local guys once again.
 
[quote="SJU61982" post=341937]If you take away his Final Four season (which, of course, you just can't do), he's 6 games under .500 overall as a D-1 head coach.[/quote]

When was the last time we even thought about the Final Four? Point being, he knows how to get there with his own players. The only guy at Utopia and Union that I ever knew in my lifetime who knew how to get there hasn't coached in a game in 27 years.
 
[quote="linx" post=341944][quote="MCNPA" post=341930]Moser is a very good coach. That’s what we need. Very charismatic, doesn’t skip out on recruiting and has a good eye for talent. He’s got a great pedigree coaching under Majerus and is hungry. Some point to an underwhelming record, but I’ve seen his teams play, and they play good basketball. Get him better talent and we can be tough. Coaches both ends of the floor, not just rolling the balls out. I think he’s a good long term choice to build this and has experience and knows what success takes. I’m all on board. He will also use social media and energize fans.[/quote]

Numbers don't lie my man. Most coaches don't get 8 years to make a Tourney. He had a good run on that FF but look closer. This hire will not move the needle and will further alienate local guys once again.[/quote]

Why would it alienate local guys if he’s active recruiting and works with them? Other teams hire coaches from all over. Seems you’re just another guy with an agenda.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=341949][quote="linx" post=341944][quote="MCNPA" post=341930]Moser is a very good coach. That’s what we need. Very charismatic, doesn’t skip out on recruiting and has a good eye for talent. He’s got a great pedigree coaching under Majerus and is hungry. Some point to an underwhelming record, but I’ve seen his teams play, and they play good basketball. Get him better talent and we can be tough. Coaches both ends of the floor, not just rolling the balls out. I think he’s a good long term choice to build this and has experience and knows what success takes. I’m all on board. He will also use social media and energize fans.[/quote]

Numbers don't lie my man. Most coaches don't get 8 years to make a Tourney. He had a good run on that FF but look closer. This hire will not move the needle and will further alienate local guys once again.[/quote]

Why would it alienate local guys if he’s active recruiting and works with them? Other teams hire coaches from all over. Seems you’re just another guy with an agenda.[/quote]

Sneezing in the middle of a game seems to alienate the NY High School Coaches.
 
Im convinced that no hype train will get us where fans want to be. A hard-nosed coach with a work ethic coupled with the right assistants is the only way. I’m tired of all of our previous “fluff” hires. Gimme a solid coach.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=341889]Joe Oliva pushing hard for Moser...[/quote]

Go away Joe
Please just go away.
You are what got SJU into this position with the fan boy mentality.

I'll never forget Joe sitting with Rawle Alkins during an SJU scrimmage and chewing his ear off for the entire 90 minutes. Not the guy I want sitting next to a top recruit trying to convince him to come to SJU.
 
[quote="linx" post=341944][quote="MCNPA" post=341930]Moser is a very good coach. That’s what we need. Very charismatic, doesn’t skip out on recruiting and has a good eye for talent. He’s got a great pedigree coaching under Majerus and is hungry. Some point to an underwhelming record, but I’ve seen his teams play, and they play good basketball. Get him better talent and we can be tough. Coaches both ends of the floor, not just rolling the balls out. I think he’s a good long term choice to build this and has experience and knows what success takes. I’m all on board. He will also use social media and energize fans.[/quote]

Numbers don't lie my man. Most coaches don't get 8 years to make a Tourney. He had a good run on that FF but look closer. This hire will not move the needle and will further alienate local guys once again.[/quote]

This
 
[quote="david cross" post=341933]This is a joke. The institution from top down deserves what they get. If you want to be the best and create a prominent program then you have to act like it and invest. The revenue will come when we start winning consistently and that is how you afford a proven winner.

How many people say they want a kia as a dream car? None. If you want a BMW then you but a BMW. This is bull shit.

Welcome to mediocrity.[/quote]

^^^ Joke of a post

People acting like Tim is all superior to Moser.
Wow, dominating the MAAC is quite an accomplishment.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=341889]Joe Oliva pushing hard for Moser...[/quote] no offense but he feels like a freaking Wilpon.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=341957][quote="david cross" post=341933]This is a joke. The institution from top down deserves what they get. If you want to be the best and create a prominent program then you have to act like it and invest. The revenue will come when we start winning consistently and that is how you afford a proven winner.

How many people say they want a kia as a dream car? None. If you want a BMW then you but a BMW. This is bull shit.

Welcome to mediocrity.[/quote]

^^^ Joke of a post

People acting like Tim is all superior to Moser.
Wow, dominating the MAAC is quite an accomplishment.[/quote]

I never said Tim was the answer. We are thinking to small.
 
Honestly haven’t watched Moser enough to draw a conclusion on his coaching abilities, so I will go by his record. The guy has made 1 NCAA Tourny and had a slightly over .500 record in 15 years of coaching in mediocre conferences. Remove his miracle season and he’s a .500 coach in his career. This is the best we can do??? Really??? I’m sorry, give me Cluess “the winner” any day of the week.
 
[quote="ZanMan" post=341948][quote="SJU61982" post=341937]If you take away his Final Four season (which, of course, you just can't do), he's 6 games under .500 overall as a D-1 head coach.[/quote]

When was the last time we even thought about the Final Four? Point being, he knows how to get there with his own players. The only guy at Utopia and Union that I ever knew in my lifetime who knew how to get there hasn't coached in a game in 27 years.[/quote]

But, he's only been to the NCAA Tournament once in 15 years as a D1 coach. Cluess has been there 6 times in 9 years. That, IMO, is the better indicator of a program having long term success. Just about any team can get hot for two weeks, which is what success in the tournament is usually about.

IMO, the tournament is a crapshoot, so give me the guy who goes there more consistently. If that's close between two candidates, then I'll looks at their tournament results.
 
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