Porter Moser

Chicago Tribune weighing in on the joys of coaching at SJU:

[URL]https://www.chicagotribune.com...ter-moser-loyola-st-johns-20190416-story.html[/URL]

St. John's is courting Loyola coach Porter Moser, reports say. Here's why he shouldn't take the job


Brian Mahoney succeeded the great Lou Carnesecca and never coached again. St. John’s foolishly launched Fran Fraschilla, and he became an ESPN analyst after three decent years at New Mexico. Mike Jarvis lost a bunch of games at Florida Atlantic after exiting St. John’s. Norm Roberts didn’t coach again. Same for Steve Lavin, a successful TV analyst.

St. John’s chews up and spits out coaches. It’s hard to win there. You need airtight New York connections to have a chance. Moser is Midwest through and through.
 
I assumed part of the appeal of Moser is that he'd come cheap. Nobody else has attempted to get him.

$2.2 million per year at 8 years is insane. There better be an affordable buyout number.

Oliva is a disgrace to the program.
 
[quote="mkras99" post=342538]Extremely likely to accept the job per a tweet from a Chicago-based sportscaster (Ryan Baker).[/quote]

How soon during the introductory presser, does Moser say that accepting this job was not about the money?
 
[quote="shamsman2" post=342530][quote="Monte" post=342522][quote="redmanwest" post=342521]wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote][/quote]

WTF??????????? Never in a million years did I think I would say this, but: GET LAV BACK HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

when you go through 8 coaches in last 27 years, to put it lightly a trend has been set. If you are going to move your family, you would want some security due to the trend. It takes time to turn situations like ours around, he has had that experience at Loyola, so knows what it takes.

Wonder what Moser thought of administration team he met last night?[/quote]

I wasn't crazy about this guy before I found out the salary amount and the terms being thrown around. This school makes stupid investment after stupid investment. They do not get one more penny of my money ever.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=342536][quote="redmanwest" post=342521]wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote][/quote]

The pot for quality assistant coaches dwindling lol[/quote]

So then hold-off. Name GSG interim coach. Hire a big name next year. We will suck next season no matter what.
 
[quote="Monte" post=342520][quote="Logen" post=342496][quote="Monte" post=342486][quote="ghostzapper" post=342403]Mike Zaun Wrote: Mullin should draft a huge apology letter to the fans for his ridiculous tenure here as a coach. He was never invested and it's now known per many sources out there in the media. He wasted our time and did not recruit. What you call "bitching" is demanding effort. It's what got Lavin canned when he stopped recruiting and it's what ended Mullin's tenure. Effort and accountability are expected of any other job that pays 45k or less let alone millions of dollars. I wanted Mullin to work out for us as badly as you did. We differ in that you care about the person/emotions over the program despite failure and I care about the program over the person. Why is it so hard to understand that you can want Mullin to step down and then also acknowledge the coaching search has been a disaster? I want to cleanse the dead weight. Sounds like you want it to stay.


I am not quite sure it is fair to call the coachiing search a disaster. This is a process. Perhaps when Duke hired Coach K, all those years ago, there would have been people calling that search a disaster if the process was scrutinized to the same degree that this process has been. Social media and immediate gratification culture of today's society does not give long term analysis and patience its proper place.

For all anyone knows Moser, Cluess, Scheyer or whomever we hire will be the right choice. It is easy to be negative given our post Lou Carenesecca history, but at the end of the day we will hire someone and my hope is that when that hire is made the program thrives and is wildly successful. Trust the process, as murky as it is, someone will come here.

When the Yankees hired Joe Torre the optics were terrible, "Clueless Joe" he was called. A few years later he was Genius Joe the man with the Midas touch. Patience is the key here. Let us see how it plays out before we deem the whole thing a disaster. I for one will remain hopeful and stay positive.[/quote]

It’s easy to look like a genius when team owner continuously restocks the roster with future Hall of Famers. And I’m a Yankee fan[/quote]

It’s the exact same with CBB and well documented. John Wooden became a genius when Sam Gilbert came into the picture and a string of legendary players found their way to UCLA. It is and always has been overwhelmingly about recruiting.[/quote]

Yes, but at the pro level assembling the team is done mostly by the owner and front office personnel. . At the college level, that's part of the head coach's job. Torre became a great manager when he came to a stacked Yankee team. He didn't assemble those teams. Granted he did a good job of managing egos.[/quote]

Agree with that completely.
 
[quote="Chris7" post=342548][quote="Paultzman" post=342536][quote="redmanwest" post=342521]wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote][/quote]

The pot for quality assistant coaches dwindling lol[/quote]

So then hold-off. Name GSG interim coach. Hire a big name next year. We will suck next season no matter what.[/quote]

Nobody will commit to an interim coach.
 
[quote="P Simmons" post=342544]Chicago Tribune weighing in on the joys of coaching at SJU:

[URL]https://www.chicagotribune.com...ter-moser-loyola-st-johns-20190416-story.html[/URL]

St. John's is courting Loyola coach Porter Moser, reports say. Here's why he shouldn't take the job


Brian Mahoney succeeded the great Lou Carnesecca and never coached again. St. John’s foolishly launched Fran Fraschilla, and he became an ESPN analyst after three decent years at New Mexico. Mike Jarvis lost a bunch of games at Florida Atlantic after exiting St. John’s. Norm Roberts didn’t coach again. Same for Steve Lavin, a successful TV analyst.

St. John’s chews up and spits out coaches. It’s hard to win there. You need airtight New York connections to have a chance. Moser is Midwest through and through.[/quote]

They're using our woeful 20 year record against us. Irony prevails.
P.S. I guess Loyola and the Chicago Tribune don't view Moser's recent success to be a blip or 'outlier' experience...
 
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[quote="Moose" post=342550][quote="Chris7" post=342548][quote="Paultzman" post=342536][quote="redmanwest" post=342521]wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote][/quote]

The pot for quality assistant coaches dwindling lol[/quote]

So then hold-off. Name GSG interim coach. Hire a big name next year. We will suck next season no matter what.[/quote]

Nobody will commit to an interim coach.[/quote]

Not even a 28 year old kid?
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=342542][quote="Adam" post=342527]Outlier: In statistics, an outlier is an observation point that is distant from other observations. An outlier may be due to variability in the measurement or it may indicate experimental error; the latter are sometimes excluded from the data set. An outlier can cause serious problems in statistical analyses.

// Since the 18th century, explorers have noted strange verdant outliers at the bottom of the world.
// Porter Moser led Loyola-Chicago all the way to the Final Four in 2018, an achievement widely seen as an outlier in the coach's lackluster 14-year career.

This is actually what it says on Merriam Webster. Look it up yourself:

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outlier[/URL]


Ok, it doesn't, but it definitely could.[/quote]

But if one observed Moser's career over the past 5, some NCAA success would not qualify as an 'outlier'.
Given the way college hoops is structured, $$$$ polluting the entire schemata, it's an outlier for ANY mid-major college HC to achieve such success.
So to apply 'outlier' in this example, seems a very unfair basis with which to measure such a coach's ability, imo.[/quote]

While his recent 5 years are certainly much better than his previous 10, I am not impressed. Still only one NCAA Tournament year, and winning 20+ games in the MVC isn't very noteworthy. A bunch of mid majors win 20+ games every year and nobody notices unless they make the NCAA Tournament. Nobody thought about Loyola this year after they dropped from their pre-season Top 25 ranking.

To be clear, I think he'd be an okay hire and could turn out to be pretty good. I don't see him as a disaster hire. However, he would be WAY down on my list of candidates. The money we are throwing at him is absolutely ridiculous.
 
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I was gonna post the CT article also. sounded like they were reading our threads with a few of those points. I think he stays put but I am, according to my wife, notoriously wrong.
 
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At the end of the contract he'll be 58 years old and just earned over $16m, if he failed. If he does well he'll earn more and do whatever he wants. Either way he wins.

I wish the terms were lower so he could spend it on assistants.
 
I’m guessing he wanted more than 5 years which may be why there was some pause and I don’t blame him. If SJU has found their guy, they have to give him enough time to work here. He doesn’t want to be lame duck at 5 years and the rumors starting. I honestly think this guy can coach. I’m not saying he’s Mark Few, but he’s adept at x’s and o’s -!: that’s what we need. I don’t care about what they’re offering him. I just want to win. If he can do that, he will earn everybody’s respect. If not, we will cross that bridge when we come to it.
 
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$2.2 million per year, even if only guaranteed for a few years of the 8 means that they could certainly afford Cluees and his buyout. Have to think Cluess would take a doubling of his current salary to $1.2 million. School saves $1million a year on him over Moser.

I could go with either, but this is a risky move if true.
 
As far as recruiting NYC and I think it will tell you all you need to know.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-overlooked-coaching-strength-recruiting/amp/[/URL]

Apparently he’s a recruiting beast and is out there hustling. I love this from a coach and I have no doubt that if he is the next coach, he will endear himself locally if he works this hard and establishes connections. Obviously a good staff with some local ties recruiting-wise would be a big boon in conjunction with the head coach out there. Let’s face it though. Our rosters haven’t been NYC-heavy in decades. He can grab talent wherever he finds it and I’m ok with that.
 
The Vitamin guy more than willing to "pony" up to get assistants. Did not want money going to Mullin. If he brings in 2 quality local assistants and keeps St. Jean on staff this will be a win given the situation.Even if St. Jean leaves there are plenty of guys out there in the D1 community with his skill set.
 
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[quote="P Simmons" post=342560]$2.2 million per year, even if only guaranteed for a few years of the 8 means that they could certainly afford Cluees and his buyout. Have to think Cluess would take a doubling of his current salary to $1.2 million. School saves $1million a year on him over Moser.

I could go with either, but this is a risky move if true.[/quote]

Good points PS.
Apparently, Cragg & Co. believe Moser has far more upside than Cluess.
I like both--although I do like Moser a bit more--but I wouldn't go that far; just an observation.
 
[quote="MCNPA" post=342562]As far as recruiting NYC and I think it will tell you all you need to know.

[URL]https://www.google.com/amp/s/w...-overlooked-coaching-strength-recruiting/amp/[/URL]

Apparently he’s a recruiting beast and is out there hustling. I love this from a coach and I have no doubt that if he is the next coach, he will endear himself locally if he works this hard and establishes connections. Obviously a good staff with some local ties recruiting-wise would be a big boon in conjunction with the head coach out there. Let’s face it though. Our rosters haven’t been NYC-heavy in decades. He can grab talent wherever he finds it and I’m ok with that.[/quote]
Former Johnny Tim Doyle in the Chicago Tribune piece above captured part of the challenge for PM. not insurmountable but salient;

“He has an outstanding reputation in the Midwest,” said Tim Doyle, the Stadium and CBS Sports HQ analyst who played at St. John’s before transferring to Northwestern. “If you go to New York, are you OK with hitting the reset button with your contacts and connections? I’m not doubting his X’s and O’s (skills), but recruiting in New York is a politics game and you have to be tied in to those AAU coaches.”
 
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