Porter Moser

[quote="Logen" post=342496][quote="Monte" post=342486][quote="ghostzapper" post=342403]Mike Zaun Wrote: Mullin should draft a huge apology letter to the fans for his ridiculous tenure here as a coach. He was never invested and it's now known per many sources out there in the media. He wasted our time and did not recruit. What you call "bitching" is demanding effort. It's what got Lavin canned when he stopped recruiting and it's what ended Mullin's tenure. Effort and accountability are expected of any other job that pays 45k or less let alone millions of dollars. I wanted Mullin to work out for us as badly as you did. We differ in that you care about the person/emotions over the program despite failure and I care about the program over the person. Why is it so hard to understand that you can want Mullin to step down and then also acknowledge the coaching search has been a disaster? I want to cleanse the dead weight. Sounds like you want it to stay.


I am not quite sure it is fair to call the coachiing search a disaster. This is a process. Perhaps when Duke hired Coach K, all those years ago, there would have been people calling that search a disaster if the process was scrutinized to the same degree that this process has been. Social media and immediate gratification culture of today's society does not give long term analysis and patience its proper place.

For all anyone knows Moser, Cluess, Scheyer or whomever we hire will be the right choice. It is easy to be negative given our post Lou Carenesecca history, but at the end of the day we will hire someone and my hope is that when that hire is made the program thrives and is wildly successful. Trust the process, as murky as it is, someone will come here.

When the Yankees hired Joe Torre the optics were terrible, "Clueless Joe" he was called. A few years later he was Genius Joe the man with the Midas touch. Patience is the key here. Let us see how it plays out before we deem the whole thing a disaster. I for one will remain hopeful and stay positive.[/quote]

It’s easy to look like a genius when team owner continuously restocks the roster with future Hall of Famers. And I’m a Yankee fan[/quote]

It’s the exact same with CBB and well documented. John Wooden became a genius when Sam Gilbert came into the picture and a string of legendary players found their way to UCLA. It is and always has been overwhelmingly about recruiting.[/quote]

Yes, but at the pro level assembling the team is done mostly by the owner and front office personnel. . At the college level, that's part of the head coach's job. Torre became a great manager when he came to a stacked Yankee team. He didn't assemble those teams. Granted he did a good job of managing egos.
 
wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote]
 
[quote="redmanwest" post=342521]wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote][/quote]

WTF??????????? Never in a million years did I think I would say this, but: GET LAV BACK HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote]

It's time to accept next season is a wash. Name GSG INTERIM coach for the year. Hire someone who gets let go next season. 2mm a year for 8 years???? And you can't find someone better interested in the total figure? Mind blown.

Add me to the Pitino or bust camp. Or go with the GSG Interim Coach move.
 
[quote="Adam" post=342507][quote="Sju grad 13" post=342503]8 years at 2 million per?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/27b08c323b091e20eb40800520284cd7/tenor.gif?itemid=9070240
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Yikes.

That would be well above market value.[/quote]

Wow, that is high and I believe more than the comp bandied about for Tim Cluess.
IF true, how can Moser turn down such an offer?
Then my concern would be, Cragg had better require Moser AND family move to NY.
Deja vu 'all over again' would be disastrous.
 
Outlier: In statistics, an outlier is an observation point that is distant from other observations. An outlier may be due to variability in the measurement or it may indicate experimental error; the latter are sometimes excluded from the data set. An outlier can cause serious problems in statistical analyses.

// Since the 18th century, explorers have noted strange verdant outliers at the bottom of the world.
// Porter Moser led Loyola-Chicago all the way to the Final Four in 2018, an achievement widely seen as an outlier in the coach's lackluster 14-year career.


This is actually what it says on Merriam Webster. Look it up yourself:

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outlier[/URL]


Ok, it doesn't, but it definitely could.
 
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[quote="Knight" post=342525]$2.2 mil for 8 years. PASS.[/quote]

If there was only one can of Pork and Beans left in the world imagine how much someone would pay for it. If only one guy is semi interested in coaching here......
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote]

What's next? Stock options in redmen.,com?
 
[quote="Monte" post=342522][quote="redmanwest" post=342521]wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote][/quote]

WTF??????????? Never in a million years did I think I would say this, but: GET LAV BACK HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/quote]

when you go through 8 coaches in last 27 years, to put it lightly a trend has been set. If you are going to move your family, you would want some security due to the trend. It takes time to turn situations like ours around, he has had that experience at Loyola, so knows what it takes.

Wonder what Moser thought of administration team he met last night?
 
[quote="kranmars" post=342529][quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote]

What's next? Stock options in redmen.,com?[/quote]

At least try what banks used to do. We should give out a free toaster to anyone who even accepts an interview at this point.
 
[quote="Knight" post=342525]$2.2 mil for 8 years. PASS.[/quote]

is it possible that Moser's people are throwing around those numbers for Loyola Chicago's benefit? And his ultimately?
 
[quote="Knight" post=342525]$2.2 mil for 8 years. PASS.[/quote]

The buyout mechanism makes the deal gtd for less than 8 years.
On the face of it, I agree the annual comp is too high for a mid-major coach, but that's close to what Mullin got.
At least Moser is a fundamentally sound and experienced HC who works hard and recruits.
 
[quote="redmanwest" post=342521]wow and jeez.

[quote="Paultzman" post=342519]Per Slater
The salary and length of contract have gone up since the negotiations began. Source indicates it began at $2M for 5 years. Now, in the neighborhood of $2.2M for 8 years.[/quote][/quote]

The pot for quality assistant coaches dwindling lol
 
I'd love to see reactions to Scheyer if he was just proposed as another option now at 5 years and $1.5M per with a low buy-out.
 
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Extremely likely to accept the job per a tweet from a Chicago-based sportscaster (Ryan Baker).
 
[quote="Tha Kid" post=342537]I'd love to see reactions to Scheyer if he was just proposed as another option now at 5 years and $1.5M per with a low buy-out.[/quote]

No one can complain if Enrico Palazo accepts at this point.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=342527]Outlier: In statistics, an outlier is an observation point that is distant from other observations. An outlier may be due to variability in the measurement or it may indicate experimental error; the latter are sometimes excluded from the data set. An outlier can cause serious problems in statistical analyses.

// Since the 18th century, explorers have noted strange verdant outliers at the bottom of the world.
// Porter Moser led Loyola-Chicago all the way to the Final Four in 2018, an achievement widely seen as an outlier in the coach's lackluster 14-year career.


This is actually what it says on Merriam Webster. Look it up yourself:

[URL]https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/outlier[/URL]


Ok, it doesn't, but it definitely could.[/quote]

But if one observed Moser's career over the past 5, some NCAA success would not qualify as an 'outlier'.
Given the way college hoops is structured, $$$$ polluting the entire schemata, it's an outlier for ANY mid-major college HC to achieve such success.
So to apply 'outlier' in this example, seems a very unfair basis with which to measure such a coach's ability, imo.
P.S. The same logic applies to posters criticizing Cluess's failure to win an NCAA Tournament game as a 13 - 16 seed.
 
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