Porter Moser

[quote="bamafan" post=342156][quote="Monte" post=342152][quote="bamafan" post=342149][quote="Matty Hoops" post=342146]Simple question- if Moser is such a good x’s and o’s guy, or recruiter, or both, why hasn’t he won more?

Good coaches win wherever they go. He has not. Career under .500 record. Flamed out at Illinois St. If he didn’t have one flukey run, no one would have even considered him for this job.[/quote]
Twitter comes to Redmen.com Everyone gave even Norm a chance. Crapping on a coach before he even gets here. He was at the DePaul of his conference and finished first the last two years. Did you watch how his teams played during the final 4 run? Product on the floor looked a lot better than what I have seen Cluess put out on the court. But if it's Cluess will be totally behind our new coach.[/quote]

I'm not crapping on him. I hope at 50 years old he turns in to something that he's never consistently been, and that's a winning coach. I don't cate about his offensive sets, his defense schemes, his hard work, or any of that incidental BS. I care about his record. And his record, with a large enough sample size, tells me he's a .500 coach and that he's not all of a sudden going to become a .700 coach when he gets here. It sort of reminds of the Yankees in the 80s whenever they'd go out and get career .500 pitchers(Andy Hawkins, Ed Whitson, etc) and the delusional fan base would think that once those guys got here they'd all of a sudden become Cy Young winners, You are what your record says you are. Moser record is very very mediocre at best. Until he proves otherwise, I'll expect more of the same here. Oh and let me know if you want all the season tix next year, this hire(if it happens) is enough for me to give up mine.[/quote]
He's coaching Loyola in the MVC much higher rated conference than Iona plays in at a school the equivalent of the DePaul of the BE. Finished first last 2 years. Made the Final 4 at LOYOLA. Guess he should have made multiple final 4s at LOYOLA. Look no one knows for sure how any coach will work out. Prefer him over Cluess, not like any high profile proven winners at high level schools are a possibility.[/quote]

I would prefer a proven winner at a lower level(and at every level, as Cluess has been) over a mediocre coach at a slightly higher level or even at a much higher level. Especially when that proven winner is a local guy with strong ties to the school. Moser's record says he's a mediocre coach. At 50 years old, that's exactly what he is. But hey, I hope he arrives here and turns in to John Wooden.
 
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[quote="bamafan" post=342156][quote="Monte" post=342152][quote="bamafan" post=342149][quote="Matty Hoops" post=342146]Simple question- if Moser is such a good x’s and o’s guy, or recruiter, or both, why hasn’t he won more?

Good coaches win wherever they go. He has not. Career under .500 record. Flamed out at Illinois St. If he didn’t have one flukey run, no one would have even considered him for this job.[/quote]

Twitter comes to Redmen.com Everyone gave even Norm a chance. Crapping on a coach before he even gets here. He was at the DePaul of his conference and finished first the last two years. Did you watch how his teams played during the final 4 run? Product on the floor looked a lot better than what I have seen Cluess put out on the court. But if it's Cluess will be totally behind our new coach.[/quote]

I prefer coaches with over .500 records and who make the NCAAs more than once in 15 years. I’ve stated my displeasure and there’s no reason to repeat the same arguments over and over again as it gets tiresome for all parties.

If Moser is hired, I want him to succeed. I hope I’m wrong. I hope everyone can call me an idiot in 3 years. Maybe it will be like the Joe Torre hire that was met with negative reactions. We all know how that turned out.
 
[quote="Matty Hoops" post=342161][quote="bamafan" post=342156][quote="Monte" post=342152][quote="bamafan" post=342149][quote="Matty Hoops" post=342146]Simple question- if Moser is such a good x’s and o’s guy, or recruiter, or both, why hasn’t he won more?

Good coaches win wherever they go. He has not. Career under .500 record. Flamed out at Illinois St. If he didn’t have one flukey run, no one would have even considered him for this job.[/quote]

Twitter comes to Redmen.com Everyone gave even Norm a chance. Crapping on a coach before he even gets here. He was at the DePaul of his conference and finished first the last two years. Did you watch how his teams played during the final 4 run? Product on the floor looked a lot better than what I have seen Cluess put out on the court. But if it's Cluess will be totally behind our new coach.[/quote]

I prefer coaches with over .500 records and who make the NCAAs more than once in 15 years. I’ve stated my displeasure and there’s no reason to repeat the same arguments over and over again as it gets tiresome for all parties.

If Moser is hired, I want him to succeed. I hope I’m wrong. I hope everyone can call me an idiot in 3 years. Maybe it will be like the Joe Torre hire that was met with negative reactions. We all know how that turned out.[/quote]



And a couple of decades before, Casey Stengel. I don’t know much of anything about Moser but I do know this became a very tough hire after Hurley pulled his double-cross.
 
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I wish him all the luck in the world. This couldnt of been a worse hire at this junction of SJU history. This hire makes 0 sense. Must be a 6 year rebuild min. Will take that long to get a 4 star kid to come here. Never expected this kind of hire.
 
Cragg has some depth perception issues. He was seeing home run, but that dirt border he got the ball over wasn't the warning track, it was the infield... His monster home run is really a lazy towering poppop to short. That being said, I'm loyal and will always be a Redmen.... Good luck coach.
 
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You're becoming a local legend in Chicago.
DePaul will open up soon.
Think of your kids man!
 
I hope when i am 50 years old with a resume that doesn’t jump out along with satisfactory reviews that SJU can find a spot for me. I won’t mind being overpaid for being average at best.
 
If this hire occurs, I will be extremely disappointed, being a 40 year fan and 30 year season ticket holder. It speaks of a very poor decision making process, and a very weak financial position for the program. Past failures and errors have become a domino that forces the admin to make poor and cheap decisions.

Can not see any way that Moser is a better choice then Cluess. Unless Cluess demurred, which I doubt. So, I will chose to focus on the second-hand reports that Moser is a hard worker and good recruiter at his level, and as a long-time fan I will hope for the best and hope to eat my words and hope for success. I just don't see it happening.

More likely, the trajectory of the program continues to spiral downward. I suppose for a school with other priorities and limited resources, in a time of changed big time basketball, it is inevitable.

Job 1: Recruit a few stop-gap guys to fill out a depleted roster so we don't lose 18 games in conference next year and go from there.
 
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[quote="PharmDJohnnie11" post=342153][quote="Matty Hoops" post=342146]Simple question- if Moser is such a good x’s and o’s guy, or recruiter, or both, why hasn’t he won more?

Good coaches win wherever they go. He has not. Career under .500 record. Flamed out at Illinois St. If he didn’t have one flukey run, no one would have even considered him for this job.[/quote]

He took a program that hadn't won 20 games since 1984 and won 20 games 3 out of the last 5 years including a run to the final 4, and back to back regular season conference championships. I'd hardly call that a flukey run. He built Loyola-Chicago from the ground up. He also has the #65 nationally ranked recruiting class next year. #65 for an MVC school is really good, and ahead of a lot of high majors programs. His recruiting class this year coming into an MVC school is ranked better on 247 than SJU, Marquette, Seton Hall, Creighton, and Providence.

You say if he didn't have one flukey run no one would have considered him for this job, but consider the fact that if he wins the MVC tourney this year (Loyola lost by 2 in the semifinal to eventual winner Bradley), and even wins 1 game in the NCAA tourney then he would probably be way out of our price range, and probably would have gotten hired by a Power 5 conference team.

Give the guy a chance jeez.[/quote]

Great post. The recruiting ability was apparently a key factor in the decision.
Let’s be honest, how many NYC 4 and 5 stars have we landed in the last 10 years? Ponds, obviously, and Harkless. But the fact is that most of these kids move away. I don’t see Cluess as changing that.

If this guy takes the position, give him a chance. If he turns it down, then let’s give Cluess a chance. Since my man Pitino is out, the one thing that makes me happy about either Moser or Cluess is that they are both true bench coaches.
 
[quote="MarkRedman" post=342176]Zach B reported that Moser has been offered the job, per Andy Slater
NY Post article confirming the offer with more details

https://nypost.com/2019/04/15/st-johns-coaching-search-porter-moser-lands-surprise-offer/[/quote]

Frankly I was more hopeful when norm was announced as coach, being billed as a top assistant for Bill Self. Can't help but thinking when Cragg leaves, this hire will be viewed as his failed shot at greatness.

Moser has been to the dance once. Once he gets here he will realize how hard it is to get back there.
 
[quote="RedmanMike" post=342117]I wasn’t big on Moser when he was first mentioned here a few days ago, but my buddy who is a head coach in the A-10 and knows him well from coaching circles told me today that Moser is a “great guy and a great coach.” I’d still rather have Cluess with his N.Y. ties and history, but that at least makes me feel about Moser.[/quote]

Its good to hear that from a contemporary.
However Norm was a great guy too.
And it looks like Moser can coach. I'm just worried that the NYC basketball landscape could eat him alive.

The staff would need ONE I repeat ONE NYC basketball guy who unites all. Who is that guy? I don't think its fair a new coach would have to occupy two spots just to appease the needy NYC basketball community. But if there is one guy who is widely accepted by all then by all means he should be on this staff no questions asked. That would alleviate a lot of my fears.
 
[quote="mjmaherjr" post=342140]Look at the bright side. Season tix will probably not go up much in price next year[/quote]

They will still find a way.
If you are paying Mullin they need it likely.
 
[quote="david cross" post=342171]We are St. John’s. We are the worst Big East school. This is terrible. Going cheap is not the answer. Pitiful.[/quote]

Contract offer was not cheap :)
 
[quote="Moose" post=342182][quote="RedmanMike" post=342117]I wasn’t big on Moser when he was first mentioned here a few days ago, but my buddy who is a head coach in the A-10 and knows him well from coaching circles told me today that Moser is a “great guy and a great coach.” I’d still rather have Cluess with his N.Y. ties and history, but that at least makes me feel about Moser.[/quote]

Its good to hear that from a contemporary.
However Norm was a great guy too.
And it looks like Moser can coach. I'm just worried that the NYC basketball landscape could eat him alive.

The staff would need ONE I repeat ONE NYC basketball guy who unites all. Who is that guy? I don't think its fair a new coach would have to occupy two spots just to appease the needy NYC basketball community. But if there is one guy who is widely accepted by all then by all means he should be on this staff no questions asked. That would alleviate a lot of my fears.[/quote]

What about Mosers clean, well respected image, juxtaposed with Mike rice by his side. I could get behind that. Still interested in Borman.
 
Sorry guys, I understood the Cluess interest and he has a clear track record. Moser is a one hit wonder. I looked up his record and he is basically a .500 mid major coach that had 1 cinderella run. If this is our hire after all this time, you can likely bury the program permanently just going off my gut. I will give him a chance but his track record is such that he cannot even succeed at the mid major level, why would he succeed in a HUGE step up? This program has done literally everything it could to ensure failure for the past 4 years and now it will likely continue at least another 5. I have a small sliver of hope and he deserves a shot if true, but man he just has zero track record aside from one miracle run. I have absolutely no clue what some admins are thinking. We are not unlucky, we just keep making the dumbest decisions in college basketball.
 
Understand why many posters are upset with offer to Moser. I am not upset and am ready to get behind it assuming he accepts for a few reasons;
1. By all accounts AD Cragg is a thoughtful guy who does his due diligence, analyzes the possibilities and takes the long view - I will assume he did that in making the biggest decision of his career until shown otherwise;
2. I watched all of the final four Moser team's NCAA games - that team was extremely well coached both defensively and offensively, something we haven't seen here very often;
3. Moser clearly learned a whole lot about coaching during his time with Majerus from 2007-2011 - his record over past 5 years is 119-64 and I believe more accurately reflects his coaching ability than his overall record that includes time before Majerus stint;
4. the article I posted written by a very well know high school hoops reporter from Chicago really raves about his effort and talent as a recruiter. That ability plus x's and o's ability will be a big step up for us.
Realize it's a leap of faith to ignore earlier record, but I am choosing to do that. Some might call it delusional. I prefer to call it logical optimism based on the above. We'll see how it works out, assuming he does become our coach.
 
If Moser comes and we get some real good recruiters then maybe we have a chance. If he can truly coach like some say as well as develop, get him the kids to coach up. We need lots of high 3 stars with the occasional 4 star HS recruit or transfer. Anyone know if he uses bigs? Or are his offenses mostly guard based chuck and pray? I am glad to hear he seems to emphasize defense more than Cluess.
 
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