Porter Moser

[quote="Beast of the East" post=342045]Career head coaching record (conference record): 246-226 (107-148)[/quote]

In 5 years at St. John's Steve Lavin-who most of you know I was not a fan of-had a 92-72(46-44) for a winning % of .561. He made the NCAA tourney 2 of those 5 years. Those results got him fired. And now we're talking about bringing in a coach with a worse record in lesser conferences???? I mean, isn't the idea to improve on the past??
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=342071][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=341972][quote="MainMan" post=341971]What about Moser would lead someone to believe he can build a long term winner here when he hasn’t anywhere else?[/quote]

I'll ask the same about TIM.
WHAT HAS HE DONE BESIDES BESIDES DOMINATE THE MAAC.

Please can someone tell me, what has he done?
Did he ever succeed in a major conf?
And, if he's all great, why hasn't another power conf school grab him?

I would love to understand this love fest with Tim?[/quote]

0-6 in the NCAA vs 1,2,3 &4 seeds...you act like that's a disgrace.

16 seeds have one exactly 1 game in NCAA history.
15 seeds lose 96% of the time
14 seeds lose 85% of the time
13 seeds lose 80% of the time.

When you get fed to a top 4 seed every year then just getting to the dance is the victory. Sure it would be nicer if he'd pulled off an upset or two, but its hardly a major problem that he hasn't yet...unless you just want someone else as HC, then it doesn't matter what his resume looks like. You are always going to find fault.

As for the other two questions....well its damn hard to succeed in a major conf when you haven't coached in one. Might just as well say he's never failed to qualify for the NCAA's a the HC in a major conference. Neither point of view means all that much. The guy has won at EVERY level he's coached at what else matters?

If you know his story then you know why he hasn't been scooped up by a bigger team in a bigger conference. If you don't then you should do some research. Part of the reason he's at Iona and not a power 5 conference team is exactly WHY he's always been a good fit for St Johns.[/quote

"16 seeds have one exactly 1 game in NCAA history."
And who exactly did that vs. UVA? :)

"well its damn hard to succeed in a major conf when you haven't coached in one."
If he was good enough then you'd think that someone wouls scoop him up, but nah no one wants him, just sju now.

Nah, I'm really to lazy to research his history.
 
[quote="oldschool Redmen" post=342090][quote="SJUFAN2" post=342071][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=341972][quote="MainMan" post=341971]What about Moser would lead someone to believe he can build a long term winner here when he hasn’t anywhere else?[/quote]

I'll ask the same about TIM.
WHAT HAS HE DONE BESIDES BESIDES DOMINATE THE MAAC.

Please can someone tell me, what has he done?
Did he ever succeed in a major conf?
And, if he's all great, why hasn't another power conf school grab him?

I would love to understand this love fest with Tim?[/quote]

0-6 in the NCAA vs 1,2,3 &4 seeds...you act like that's a disgrace.

16 seeds have one exactly 1 game in NCAA history.
15 seeds lose 96% of the time
14 seeds lose 85% of the time
13 seeds lose 80% of the time.

When you get fed to a top 4 seed every year then just getting to the dance is the victory. Sure it would be nicer if he'd pulled off an upset or two, but its hardly a major problem that he hasn't yet...unless you just want someone else as HC, then it doesn't matter what his resume looks like. You are always going to find fault.

As for the other two questions....well its damn hard to succeed in a major conf when you haven't coached in one. Might just as well say he's never failed to qualify for the NCAA's a the HC in a major conference. Neither point of view means all that much. The guy has won at EVERY level he's coached at what else matters?

If you know his story then you know why he hasn't been scooped up by a bigger team in a bigger conference. If you don't then you should do some research. Part of the reason he's at Iona and not a power 5 conference team is exactly WHY he's always been a good fit for St Johns.[/quote

"16 seeds have one exactly 1 game in NCAA history."
And who exactly did that vs. UVA? :)

"well its damn hard to succeed in a major conf when you haven't coached in one."
If he was good enough then you'd think that someone wouls scoop him up, but nah no one wants him, just sju now.

Nah, I'm really to lazy to research his history.[/quote]

and, apparently, how to use the quote feature when you post...
 
[quote="SJUFAN2" post=342094][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=342090][quote="SJUFAN2" post=342071][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=341972][quote="MainMan" post=341971]What about Moser would lead someone to believe he can build a long term winner here when he hasn’t anywhere else?[/quote]

I'll ask the same about TIM.
WHAT HAS HE DONE BESIDES BESIDES DOMINATE THE MAAC.

Please can someone tell me, what has he done?
Did he ever succeed in a major conf?
And, if he's all great, why hasn't another power conf school grab him?

I would love to understand this love fest with Tim?[/quote]

0-6 in the NCAA vs 1,2,3 &4 seeds...you act like that's a disgrace.

16 seeds have one exactly 1 game in NCAA history.
15 seeds lose 96% of the time
14 seeds lose 85% of the time
13 seeds lose 80% of the time.

When you get fed to a top 4 seed every year then just getting to the dance is the victory. Sure it would be nicer if he'd pulled off an upset or two, but its hardly a major problem that he hasn't yet...unless you just want someone else as HC, then it doesn't matter what his resume looks like. You are always going to find fault.

As for the other two questions....well its damn hard to succeed in a major conf when you haven't coached in one. Might just as well say he's never failed to qualify for the NCAA's a the HC in a major conference. Neither point of view means all that much. The guy has won at EVERY level he's coached at what else matters?

If you know his story then you know why he hasn't been scooped up by a bigger team in a bigger conference. If you don't then you should do some research. Part of the reason he's at Iona and not a power 5 conference team is exactly WHY he's always been a good fit for St Johns.[/quote

"16 seeds have one exactly 1 game in NCAA history."
And who exactly did that vs. UVA? :)

"well its damn hard to succeed in a major conf when you haven't coached in one."
If he was good enough then you'd think that someone wouls scoop him up, but nah no one wants him, just sju now.

Nah, I'm really to lazy to research his history.[/quote]

and, apparently, how to use the quote feature when you post...[/quote]

Awww I'm sorry, forgive me?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=342045]Career head coaching record (conference record): 246-226 (107-148)[/quote]

Belichick was 36-44 with the Browns and the Patriots still hired him.
 
I'll be fair it's more coaching in 6 minutes than I've seen in 4 years. But I'm still not sipping the Kool Aid

 
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Last year somewhat former Johnny Tim Doyle tossed out Lville and Pitt for Porter possibly.

 
Having watched Iona play numerous times under Cleuss over the years always thought his teams played very little defense and were an undisciplined chuck and duck offensive team with an over reliance on the 3 ball. If they were hot could blow teams out, cold would get blown out. Saw where that got us the past 4 years. Only watched Porter Moser's Loyola team on it's run to the final 4. Thought they played tough defense and a precise structured offense where everyone seemed to know their role and adhered to it. People worried about his conference record should note the teams in the Mizzu Valley Conf where just about every team in it has been a more renowned basketball school than Loyola except for ancient history. For those minimizing his FINAL 4 run I have to laugh. So he has made a final 4 in his what 8 years at Loyola, that's Loyola while our storied program under iconic giants in the coaching profession like Buck Freeman, Joe Lapchick, Frank McGuire, and Lou Carnesecca have made exactly 2 final 4s in over 100 years. Cleuss wouldn't be a bad hire and would support him and the team 100% but would prefer Moser as I don't really care about local recruiting or what all the BS local coaches have to say. How long has it been since we attracted the local players, probably since FF under a different landscape.
Further have never been a fan of Oliva only because he has been involved in years of at best mediocre basketball but if true that he supports Moser I am happy. I do believe however it should be Cragg's call but maybe just maybe they each have their own candidate and are working as a team to figure out who is the best one. Maybe it is a close call for Cragg and tonight's reported dinner is to give Moser a chance to win Cragg over. Anywho I just hope to goodness we finally make a good choice and whoever it is does a great job and gives us fans something to be proud of and happy about. (Probably my longest post ever. That is all. Over and out. As Detective Colombo would say...just one more thing-should I have included Norm in my list of St. John's iconic coaching giants?;) :) )
 
It's not a popular view on the Board, but I like both Cluess and Moser.
Both are legitimate x&o coaches, work hard at their craft and are dedicated to it.
Obviously, there are big differences in style of play, but I'm confident St. John's would be successful with either one.
I like Moser better--all in--because of his focus on 'D', but would only opt for him over Cluess if he pledged to commit to St. John's basketball all 12 months of the year--which sounds dumb when expressed, but is an obvious need for this program.
If there's a smidgen of doubt about that, then Cluess would be my choice.
A decision--by Wednesday.
Please.
 
I wasn’t big on Moser when he was first mentioned here a few days ago, but my buddy who is a head coach in the A-10 and knows him well from coaching circles told me today that Moser is a “great guy and a great coach.” I’d still rather have Cluess with his N.Y. ties and history, but that at least makes me feel about Moser.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=342116]It's not a popular view on the Board, but I like both Cluess and Moser.
Both are legitimate x&o coaches, work hard at their craft and are dedicated to it.
Obviously, there are big differences in style of play, but I'm confident St. John's would be successful with either one.
I like Moser better--all in--because of his focus on 'D', but would only opt for him over Cluess if he pledged to commit to St. John's basketball all 12 months of the year--which sounds dumb when expressed, but is an obvious need for this program.
If there's a smidgen of doubt about that, then Cluess would be my choice.
A decision--by Wednesday.
Please.[/quote]
Articles describe Moser as a hard working grinder that does a lot of his own recruiting. Checked with the NCAA and found out that actually there is no rule prohibiting the head coach from recruiting.
 
[quote="RedmanMike" post=342117]I wasn’t big on Moser when he was first mentioned here a few days ago, but my buddy who is a head coach in the A-10 and knows him well from coaching circles told me today that Moser is a “great guy and a great coach.” I’d still rather have Cluess with his N.Y. ties and history, but that at least makes me feel about Moser.[/quote]

Thanks for that, RM.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=342119][quote="Chicago Days" post=342116]It's not a popular view on the Board, but I like both Cluess and Moser.
Both are legitimate x&o coaches, work hard at their craft and are dedicated to it.
Obviously, there are big differences in style of play, but I'm confident St. John's would be successful with either one.
I like Moser better--all in--because of his focus on 'D', but would only opt for him over Cluess if he pledged to commit to St. John's basketball all 12 months of the year--which sounds dumb when expressed, but is an obvious need for this program.
If there's a smidgen of doubt about that, then Cluess would be my choice.
A decision--by Wednesday.
Please.[/quote]
Articles describe Moser as a hard working grinder that does a lot of his own recruiting. Checked with the NCAA and found out that actually there is no rule prohibiting the head coach from recruiting.[/quote]

Lol--you're right again, Bama!
 
[quote="simplyred" post=342122]He looks like a guy who will actually teach[/quote]

Yep, sure does.
 
[quote="bamafan" post=342115]Having watched Iona play numerous times under Cleuss over the years always thought his teams played very little defense and were an undisciplined chuck and duck offensive team with an over reliance on the 3 ball. If they were hot could blow teams out, cold would get blown out. Saw where that got us the past 4 years. Only watched Porter Moser's Loyola team on it's run to the final 4. Thought they played tough defense and a precise structured offense where everyone seemed to know their role and adhered to it. People worried about his conference record should note the teams in the Mizzu Valley Conf where just about every team in it has been a more renowned basketball school than Loyola except for ancient history. For those minimizing his FINAL 4 run I have to laugh. So he has made a final 4 in his what 8 years at Loyola, that's Loyola while our storied program under iconic giants in the coaching profession like Buck Freeman, Joe Lapchick, Frank McGuire, and Lou Carnesecca have made exactly 2 final 4s in over 100 years. Cleuss wouldn't be a bad hire and would support him and the team 100% but would prefer Moser as I don't really care about local recruiting or what all the BS local coaches have to say. How long has it been since we attracted the local players, probably since FF under a different landscape.
Further have never been a fan of Oliva only because he has been involved in years of at best mediocre basketball but if true that he supports Moser I am happy. I do believe however it should be Cragg's call but maybe just maybe they each have their own candidate and are working as a team to figure out who is the best one. Maybe it is a close call for Cragg and tonight's reported dinner is to give Moser a chance to win Cragg over. Anywho I just hope to goodness we finally make a good choice and whoever it is does a great job and gives us fans something to be proud of and happy about. (Probably my longest post ever. That is all. Over and out. As Detective Colombo would say...just one more thing-should I have included Norm in my list of St. John's iconic coaching giants?;) :) )[/quote]

Great post, Bama. I like both guys—but all else being equal—I prefer Moser.
Let’s hope for the best.
We shall see.
 
Andrew Slater is saying on twitter from multiple sources that he has been offered the job.
 
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I hope Cragg resigns. Guys been on the job less than a year and this clown Oliva forces him to hire a head coach. Everything about this program and administration is a disgrace. I'm beyond sick of this program. Wish to God my dad had just raised me a Duke fan.
 
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