Orlando Sanchez

Go to ESPN.com and read Dana O'Neil's article, "A Final Shot for Orlando Sanchez." I must point out an interesting point made by an NCAA spokeswoman, Stacey Osburn. "It was decided by the staff in November and heard on appeal in November. We have been waiting on St.John's since that point to submit new information in order to help reconsider the case." In order to receive a waiver, Sanchez would have to identify one "specific event" outside of his control that delayed his collegiate enrollment."
Now St.John's has essentially boiled down Sanchez' life to identify that one critical moment.
Got to give thanks to Lenn Robbins for his excellent article; now finally other articles are being forwarded on Orlando's behalf.
 
Was it ever clarified if Hooper is eligible for walk-on status with his tuition funded otherwise, academic scholarship for Harvard transfer or personal means? It was mentioned a few months ago that whether recruiting visits were official or unofficial was a key factor.
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The question should be is Hooper on a basketball ship now. If so, he was recruited to play basketball.
The other question is who was recruited to play basketball but no longer will fit into the equation.
My money is on the second question.
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Jamal white was on scholy last year. Hes not this year. Does that mean he was recruited to play basketball?
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No
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I knew that, wasnt sure if 72 did.
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I knew that but you miss the point! Jamal was (a) never recruited to play basketball at SJ; (b) he enrolled and payed his own tuition from Day 1; (c) he was awarded a discretionary ship after paying his own way.
Now, back to Hooper---did he transfer to SJ and is sitting out the transfer period WHILE on a basketball scholarship?
Completely different situation and "intent".
I have no problem Hooper paying his own way next year but was that the "intent" by SJ and the understanding by Hooper's parents?
We are only having this discussion because Lavin gambled on Sanchez and sat Gift (who should have been a senior this year). Add to this fiasco that SJ seems to be a day late and a dollar short in hiring an attorney for Sanchez while UCLA did so from the get-go.
As for the NCAA granting exemptions in the case of military service or Mormon mission, I am all for granting waivers for vets who voluntarily served our country and not because I am a vet but I cannot comprehend the Mormon bullcrapolla.
Mormon missions are voluntary and serve the purpose of proselytizing the religious views of John Smith.
When Sanchez was underage he was whisked off to Spain to work and did not complete high school until age 20.
To add insult to injury, the rule has already been rescinded but the NCAA is hanging its hat (and themselves) using a "grandfather" defense to screw the student.
Orlando -----sue the pants off of the NCAA in civil court.
 
Was it ever clarified if Hooper is eligible for walk-on status with his tuition funded otherwise, academic scholarship for Harvard transfer or personal means? It was mentioned a few months ago that whether recruiting visits were official or unofficial was a key factor.
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The question should be is Hooper on a basketball ship now. If so, he was recruited to play basketball.
The other question is who was recruited to play basketball but no longer will fit into the equation.
My money is on the second question.
Click to expand...

Jamal white was on scholy last year. Hes not this year. Does that mean he was recruited to play basketball?
Click to expand...

No
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I knew that, wasnt sure if 72 did.
Click to expand...

I knew that but you miss the point! Jamal was (a) never recruited to play basketball at SJ; (b) he enrolled and payed his own tuition from Day 1; (c) he was awarded a discretionary ship after paying his own way.
Now, back to Hooper---did he transfer to SJ and is sitting out the transfer period WHILE on a basketball scholarship?
Completely different situation and "intent".
I have no problem Hooper paying his own way next year but was that the "intent" by SJ and the understanding by Hooper's parents?
We are only having this discussion because Lavin gambled on Sanchez and sat Gift (who should have been a senior this year). Add to this fiasco that SJ seems to be a day late and a dollar short in hiring an attorney for Sanchez while UCLA did so from the get-go.
As for the NCAA granting exemptions in the case of military service or Mormon mission, I am all for granting waivers for vets who voluntarily served our country and not because I am a vet but I cannot comprehend the Mormon bullcrapolla.
Mormon missions are voluntary and serve the purpose of proselytizing the religious views of John Smith.
When Sanchez was underage he was whisked off to Spain to work and did not complete high school until age 20.
To add insult to injury, the rule has already been rescinded but the NCAA is hanging its hat (and themselves) using a "grandfather" defense to screw the student.
Orlando -----sue the pants off of the NCAA in civil court.
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I don't want to get into an argument but I didn't miss the point. You said that the question should be if Hooper is on a basketball ship now and that if he is than he was recruited to play basketball. Not in Jamal whites case.
 
Was it ever clarified if Hooper is eligible for walk-on status with his tuition funded otherwise, academic scholarship for Harvard transfer or personal means? It was mentioned a few months ago that whether recruiting visits were official or unofficial was a key factor.
Click to expand...

The question should be is Hooper on a basketball ship now. If so, he was recruited to play basketball.
The other question is who was recruited to play basketball but no longer will fit into the equation.
My money is on the second question.
Click to expand...

Jamal white was on scholy last year. Hes not this year. Does that mean he was recruited to play basketball?
Click to expand...

No
Click to expand...


I knew that, wasnt sure if 72 did.
Click to expand...

I knew that but you miss the point! Jamal was (a) never recruited to play basketball at SJ; (b) he enrolled and payed his own tuition from Day 1; (c) he was awarded a discretionary ship after paying his own way.
Now, back to Hooper---did he transfer to SJ and is sitting out the transfer period WHILE on a basketball scholarship?
Completely different situation and "intent".
I have no problem Hooper paying his own way next year but was that the "intent" by SJ and the understanding by Hooper's parents?
We are only having this discussion because Lavin gambled on Sanchez and sat Gift (who should have been a senior this year). Add to this fiasco that SJ seems to be a day late and a dollar short in hiring an attorney for Sanchez while UCLA did so from the get-go.
As for the NCAA granting exemptions in the case of military service or Mormon mission, I am all for granting waivers for vets who voluntarily served our country and not because I am a vet but I cannot comprehend the Mormon bullcrapolla.
Mormon missions are voluntary and serve the purpose of proselytizing the religious views of John Smith.
When Sanchez was underage he was whisked off to Spain to work and did not complete high school until age 20.
To add insult to injury, the rule has already been rescinded but the NCAA is hanging its hat (and themselves) using a "grandfather" defense to screw the student.
Orlando -----sue the pants off of the NCAA in civil court.
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I don't want to get into an argument but I didn't miss the point. You said that the question should be if Hooper is on a basketball ship now and that if he is than he was recruited to play basketball. Not in Jamal whites case.
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Correct Mase. If Hooper is sitting out the transfer rule WHILE on a basketball scholarship, it is a moot point. He was obviously then promised a ship, whether his visit was official or not. Of course that ship can sail at any time but in fairness to both Orlando and Max, we would not being having this discussion if Lav had not bumbled the Gift decision.
Quite a cunundrum now.
 
If it really comes down to 3 minutes of garbage time in a game he played a few years ago for the National team, the Ncaa would be heartless not to grant him one more year of eligibilty.
 
2 years ago everyone graduated and we had 1 senior coming back, fast forward to to day, we are in a position that we have too many good players and might not have enough scholarships. Who would have thought.

This just adds to the great direction in which the program is headed and the very quick change it has experienced as of late. we have absolutely no reason to complain about anything, even if we don't make the tourney this year. As Lavin keeps saying we are ahead of schedule.
 
just 2013-14 season right? How much eligibility did he get? Now I'm getting greedy >-)
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We were only fighting for 1 yr he had left.
Can't see it being this year at all.
 
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“@BrandonTierney: Next season's outlook reportedly just changed in a big, big way for St. John's: the NCAA is granting Orlando Sanchez eligibility in 2013-14.”
 
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