Orlando Sanchez

[SI1996]

That's nice to hear. Maybe he will balance out Dlo

I've never met Dlo, but it has been said that he is very respectful. On court & off court personalities are completely different

I've heard he's a bright kid and a good student. His competitive nature is what gives him problems in games. Why there are problems in practice, I can't figure.

Yeah he was recently named to the Big East Honor Roll.

I remain very high on D-Lo. Let's remember, this is an era where these kids are told they are the greatest from 12 years old. There's 10 articles per day about milennials and the entitlement generation. There are tons - tons - of coaches/programs that would have told D-Lo everything he wanted to hear and welcomed him with open arms. That would have been the path of least resistence.

Instead D-Lo showed perserverence and stayed with a coach/program who has held him accountable (which stands in contrast to the complaints about his generation). To me this speaks volumes about his character. It doesn't excuse any past transgressions or eliminate the possibility of future issues, but for the time being it is commendable and a reason for optimism about where his career and contributions to this team are heading, not doubt regarding same.

Let's also not allow the suspension and his play the 2nd half of last year to cloud how good he can be. We can pull up legitimate conversations from March 2012 threads about whether or not Harkless was the best rookie on his own team because of how good Harrison had been. He followed that up by getting 20 or more in 13 of our first 20 games last year. Things did not go particularly well from there, and he like everybody else has things in his game he can work on (efficiency). But the fact remains he has shown an ability to be one the better scorers in the conference and can do so in a variety of ways. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for this team with a full compliment of depth and talent around him for the first time since he came to SJU.

FWIW there are tons of humble millenials. In fact, the way the job market is these days, student loans, and the catch-22 of applying for entry level jobs only to find out they want someone with 5 years experience, yet you can't get experience without being hired in the first place tells a very different tale. If any generation has been humbled, it's us fighting for $9/hour jobs even though we have BA's and are in graduate school and it takes $50 to fill a 4 cylinder Honda Civic. Life as youth in the previous generation seems like Disney World to most of us. Jobs plentiful, cheap gas, low requirements for jobs (BA was a big deal), lower housing prices, much cheaper tuition, not as much outsourcing, etc. Now I have a plan so I will be fine and don't want to come off like I'm whining, but it's bleak out here for many young people so I take issue with the stereotype of my generation being spoiled rotten, lazy, and pampered. Didn't want to go off topic, but hey someone else brought it up and I'm just responding.

As for D'Lo I think he's just too good to be bad for 2 years in a row. He seems like he matured a lot and has his priorities straight. If he can just learn to breathe and stop letting refs among other things get his blood boiling, he will be fine. He's due for a monster year.

It's amazing how almost every bball thread turns into a Joe3 therapy session. Relax dude. Enjoy life and especially this SJU season which is going to be GREAT. Complaining ain't gonna change a thing.

 

[Amaseinyourface]

Did anyone notice how well Marco and Sanchez meshed on the Court for their JC team?

I'm not ready to give up on Marco just yet, but despite some surprising basketball sense and skills, for him to merit significant playing time, he MUST be a deadeye shooter when wide open. They say he has an abundance of confidence, so this season he must bust out, or prepare to keep a seat warm.

It's hard to be a dead eye shooter when you only playing a few minutes at a time. I believe in order to be an effective shooter, you need to be allowed to get into the flow of the game, and he wasn't given that chance. Lavin also showed no consistency in his amount of playing time. One game he would play 20+ mins, and the next game he would play like 5. I realize that it's all about matchups and whatnot, and you would like all players to believe in the "be ready just in case your number is called" motto, but that sometimes doesn't happen.

No one can predict what will happen in a game, so it is very challenging to sit there and say that player X will play 20mins and player Y will play 25, but for Marco and other 'shooter's to be more consistent, our coaching staff needs to be somewhat more consistent with the amount of PT they are alotting players.

If you're right then I would say confidence is low on the Max and Marco show. Neither is likely to get consistent minutes being that they're somewhere between the 10th and 13th seats on the bench, so the one that will probably get more time is the one who shows he can come off the bench hot, though not being a defensive liability will also help either of their causes. I don't see either getting double digit minutes very often this season.

Don't forget how often Dom picked up foolish fouls and got himself into trouble. When this happens maybe lavs will turn to 3 guards (my choice), maybe he'll play Jakarr's at the 3, or maybe hill work Marco/max into the rotation.

Dom still managed 27 mins per game and I don't think that will go down. All Amir's minutes will go to Sanchez. Jordan and Gift will be taking minutes from Jones, Felix and Marco and Max will be fighting for some too. Not many minutes for any of them.

Yes but that was with little depth. This year he should go straight to the bench once he gets his second foul in the first half.

First lack of depth last year is a myth. There were 10 guys averaging close to double digit minutes. If Branch and Harrison didn't miss so many games it wouldn't even be discussed. This year's team just happens to be deeper and has added even more talent and bulk.

There's not many guys that can do all the things Dom can, Marco and Max can do exactly none of the things Dom can. If Dom's out I'd sooner see Felix, Phil or Christian in the game. You can't replace your all around glue guy with a spot up shooter-period and expect similar results.

First, D'lo and branch missing games has a lot to do with 10 guys averaging close to 10 minutes a game. Lets not kid ourselves, when healthy we had Dlo, Phil, branch, Dom, Jakarr's, Chris and then Felix, jones, and Marco. That's deep?

Second, I like Dom a lot and think he is primed for a good year. That being said, although Marco and Max are not the same all around player nor defender as he is, we have yet to see the benefit of having a small forward who is a threat to shoot the 3 out on the court with this group. That might be a huge difference in how rest of the team plays and may make up for the defense lost when taking out Dom.

 

[austour]

First, you forgot Amir.

Second, I have always stated my opinion that a good team should have a core rotation of 8 or 9 guys. You won't be the first to disagree. Problem wasn't too few players, it was lack of certain skills - guard play, post offense and good shooting.

M n M might bring shooting but can they defend BE 3's or do anything else expected of a 3? I don't think so. And if Marco can't raise his percentages significantly over 31 and 29 he's of no use.

 

[Moose]

That's nice to hear. Maybe he will balance out Dlo

I've never met Dlo, but it has been said that he is very respectful. On court & off court personalities are completely different

I've heard he's a bright kid and a good student. His competitive nature is what gives him problems in games. Why there are problems in practice, I can't figure.

Yeah he was recently named to the Big East Honor Roll.

I remain very high on D-Lo. Let's remember, this is an era where these kids are told they are the greatest from 12 years old. There's 10 articles per day about milennials and the entitlement generation. There are tons - tons - of coaches/programs that would have told D-Lo everything he wanted to hear and welcomed him with open arms. That would have been the path of least resistence.

Instead D-Lo showed perserverence and stayed with a coach/program who has held him accountable (which stands in contrast to the complaints about his generation). To me this speaks volumes about his character. It doesn't excuse any past transgressions or eliminate the possibility of future issues, but for the time being it is commendable and a reason for optimism about where his career and contributions to this team are heading, not doubt regarding same.

Let's also not allow the suspension and his play the 2nd half of last year to cloud how good he can be. We can pull up legitimate conversations from March 2012 threads about whether or not Harkless was the best rookie on his own team because of how good Harrison had been. He followed that up by getting 20 or more in 13 of our first 20 games last year. Things did not go particularly well from there, and he like everybody else has things in his game he can work on (efficiency). But the fact remains he has shown an ability to be one the better scorers in the conference and can do so in a variety of ways. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for this team with a full compliment of depth and talent around him for the first time since he came to SJU.

FWIW there are tons of humble millenials. In fact, the way the job market is these days, student loans, and the catch-22 of applying for entry level jobs only to find out they want someone with 5 years experience, yet you can't get experience without being hired in the first place tells a very different tale. If any generation has been humbled, it's us fighting for $9/hour jobs even though we have BA's and are in graduate school and it takes $50 to fill a 4 cylinder Honda Civic. Life as youth in the previous generation seems like Disney World to most of us. Jobs plentiful, cheap gas, low requirements for jobs (BA was a big deal), lower housing prices, much cheaper tuition, not as much outsourcing, etc. Now I have a plan so I will be fine and don't want to come off like I'm whining, but it's bleak out here for many young people so I take issue with the stereotype of my generation being spoiled rotten, lazy, and pampered. Didn't want to go off topic, but hey someone else brought it up and I'm just responding.

As for D'Lo I think he's just too good to be bad for 2 years in a row. He seems like he matured a lot and has his priorities straight. If he can just learn to breathe and stop letting refs among other things get his blood boiling, he will be fine. He's due for a monster year.

It's amazing how almost every bball thread turns into a Joe3 therapy session. Relax dude. Enjoy life and especially this SJU season which is going to be GREAT. Complaining ain't gonna change a thing.

That!

Oh and call me crazy but what do the last 3 pages have to do with Orlando Sanchez?

 

[Amaseinyourface]

First, you forgot Amir.

Second, I have always stated my opinion that a good team should have a core rotation of 8 or 9 guys. You won't be the first to disagree. Problem wasn't too few players, it was lack of certain skills - guard play, post offense and good shooting.

M n M might bring shooting but can they defend BE 3's or do anything else expected of a 3? I don't think so. And if Marco can't raise his percentages significantly over 31 and 29 he's of no use.

I did forget Amir my mistake. And I think your confusing my point, I completely agree with you that a good team should have a core rotation of 8/9 guys. I just don't think we had one last year.

 

[westchesterjoe]

With regard to the Marco issue, does anyone remember how many times Phil Greene passed to him when he was open?

My own tally was.... none.. Phil taking the opportunity to hoist his own, poor % jumper..

To respond, I was just going to post something similar. Marco loves to go to his spots on the floor and wait for the ball. Probably a chicken and egg thing, but his teammates did not trust his capability to make those shots, and often just ignored him. If he makes them he will get the ball, but he needs to get the ball to be confident and it had to be clear to him that he was being frozen out often.

For those old enough to recall, Sleepy Floyd, Mitch Richmond, Joe Barry Carroll and co. did the exact same thing to Mullin his rookie season in Golden State. Of course, Mullin when given the ball could still hit those shots in his sleep/

As I recall, Mullin was a holdout for part of his rookie year due to $$$ contract issues...I think it did take a while for Chris to be accepted by his teammates ..

When he teamed up with Richmond and Hardaway later on, they didn't get him the ball a lot either, preferring their own jumpers,etc.

But, Chris did have that string of 4-5 years, after getting sober, to get to elite NBA status...After that, his respect from peers grew by leaps and bounds..Chris scored against anybody in the NBA, Magic, Jordan, Pippen, etc.. It didn't matter who guarded him.. Mullin use to back door Pippen at will. Scottie admitted so in the Dream Team book.

 

[Moose]

Seriously. Post in here if its about Orlando Sanchez. Do NOT be afraid to start new threads people.

 

[austour]

First, you forgot Amir.

Second, I have always stated my opinion that a good team should have a core rotation of 8 or 9 guys. You won't be the first to disagree. Problem wasn't too few players, it was lack of certain skills - guard play, post offense and good shooting.

M n M might bring shooting but can they defend BE 3's or do anything else expected of a 3? I don't think so. And if Marco can't raise his percentages significantly over 31 and 29 he's of no use.

I did forget Amir my mistake. And I think your confusing my point, I completely agree with you that a good team should have a core rotation of 8/9 guys. I just don't think we had one last year.

So you agree there was depth, just not at the right positions. I think we agree then. Needed a 2nd big who played like a big on offense and defense and a real PG running the offense that could have created opportunities for his teammates and including getting Marco the ball with shots that would get his 3pt% over 30% and his 2pt% up 10 points to 40%. He's going to be reliant on his teammates and the offense to progress. Hope it happens for him.

 

[SI1996]

That's nice to hear. Maybe he will balance out Dlo

I've never met Dlo, but it has been said that he is very respectful. On court & off court personalities are completely different

I've heard he's a bright kid and a good student. His competitive nature is what gives him problems in games. Why there are problems in practice, I can't figure.

Yeah he was recently named to the Big East Honor Roll.

I remain very high on D-Lo. Let's remember, this is an era where these kids are told they are the greatest from 12 years old. There's 10 articles per day about milennials and the entitlement generation. There are tons - tons - of coaches/programs that would have told D-Lo everything he wanted to hear and welcomed him with open arms. That would have been the path of least resistence.

Instead D-Lo showed perserverence and stayed with a coach/program who has held him accountable (which stands in contrast to the complaints about his generation). To me this speaks volumes about his character. It doesn't excuse any past transgressions or eliminate the possibility of future issues, but for the time being it is commendable and a reason for optimism about where his career and contributions to this team are heading, not doubt regarding same.

Let's also not allow the suspension and his play the 2nd half of last year to cloud how good he can be. We can pull up legitimate conversations from March 2012 threads about whether or not Harkless was the best rookie on his own team because of how good Harrison had been. He followed that up by getting 20 or more in 13 of our first 20 games last year. Things did not go particularly well from there, and he like everybody else has things in his game he can work on (efficiency). But the fact remains he has shown an ability to be one the better scorers in the conference and can do so in a variety of ways. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for this team with a full compliment of depth and talent around him for the first time since he came to SJU.

FWIW there are tons of humble millenials. In fact, the way the job market is these days, student loans, and the catch-22 of applying for entry level jobs only to find out they want someone with 5 years experience, yet you can't get experience without being hired in the first place tells a very different tale. If any generation has been humbled, it's us fighting for $9/hour jobs even though we have BA's and are in graduate school and it takes $50 to fill a 4 cylinder Honda Civic. Life as youth in the previous generation seems like Disney World to most of us. Jobs plentiful, cheap gas, low requirements for jobs (BA was a big deal), lower housing prices, much cheaper tuition, not as much outsourcing, etc. Now I have a plan so I will be fine and don't want to come off like I'm whining, but it's bleak out here for many young people so I take issue with the stereotype of my generation being spoiled rotten, lazy, and pampered. Didn't want to go off topic, but hey someone else brought it up and I'm just responding.

As for D'Lo I think he's just too good to be bad for 2 years in a row. He seems like he matured a lot and has his priorities straight. If he can just learn to breathe and stop letting refs among other things get his blood boiling, he will be fine. He's due for a monster year.

It's amazing how almost every bball thread turns into a Joe3 therapy session. Relax dude. Enjoy life and especially this SJU season which is going to be GREAT. Complaining ain't gonna change a thing.

That!

Oh and call me crazy but what do the last 3 pages have to do with Orlando Sanchez?

Crazy

 

[beast of the east]

That's nice to hear. Maybe he will balance out Dlo

I've never met Dlo, but it has been said that he is very respectful. On court & off court personalities are completely different

I've heard he's a bright kid and a good student. His competitive nature is what gives him problems in games. Why there are problems in practice, I can't figure.

Yeah he was recently named to the Big East Honor Roll.

I remain very high on D-Lo. Let's remember, this is an era where these kids are told they are the greatest from 12 years old. There's 10 articles per day about milennials and the entitlement generation. There are tons - tons - of coaches/programs that would have told D-Lo everything he wanted to hear and welcomed him with open arms. That would have been the path of least resistence.

Instead D-Lo showed perserverence and stayed with a coach/program who has held him accountable (which stands in contrast to the complaints about his generation). To me this speaks volumes about his character. It doesn't excuse any past transgressions or eliminate the possibility of future issues, but for the time being it is commendable and a reason for optimism about where his career and contributions to this team are heading, not doubt regarding same.

Let's also not allow the suspension and his play the 2nd half of last year to cloud how good he can be. We can pull up legitimate conversations from March 2012 threads about whether or not Harkless was the best rookie on his own team because of how good Harrison had been. He followed that up by getting 20 or more in 13 of our first 20 games last year. Things did not go particularly well from there, and he like everybody else has things in his game he can work on (efficiency). But the fact remains he has shown an ability to be one the better scorers in the conference and can do so in a variety of ways. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for this team with a full compliment of depth and talent around him for the first time since he came to SJU.

FWIW there are tons of humble millenials. In fact, the way the job market is these days, student loans, and the catch-22 of applying for entry level jobs only to find out they want someone with 5 years experience, yet you can't get experience without being hired in the first place tells a very different tale. If any generation has been humbled, it's us fighting for $9/hour jobs even though we have BA's and are in graduate school and it takes $50 to fill a 4 cylinder Honda Civic. Life as youth in the previous generation seems like Disney World to most of us. Jobs plentiful, cheap gas, low requirements for jobs (BA was a big deal), lower housing prices, much cheaper tuition, not as much outsourcing, etc. Now I have a plan so I will be fine and don't want to come off like I'm whining, but it's bleak out here for many young people so I take issue with the stereotype of my generation being spoiled rotten, lazy, and pampered. Didn't want to go off topic, but hey someone else brought it up and I'm just responding.

As for D'Lo I think he's just too good to be bad for 2 years in a row. He seems like he matured a lot and has his priorities straight. If he can just learn to breathe and stop letting refs among other things get his blood boiling, he will be fine. He's due for a monster year.

It's amazing how almost every bball thread turns into a Joe3 therapy session. Relax dude. Enjoy life and especially this SJU season which is going to be GREAT. Complaining ain't gonna change a thing.

That!

Oh and call me crazy but what do the last 3 pages have to do with Orlando Sanchez?

You must be one of those guys who keeps his pencils separate form his pens separate from his highlighting markers on your desk. It's guys talking sports, and we digress sometimes. Does it really matter, Moose?

 

[Moose]

That's nice to hear. Maybe he will balance out Dlo

I've never met Dlo, but it has been said that he is very respectful. On court & off court personalities are completely different

I've heard he's a bright kid and a good student. His competitive nature is what gives him problems in games. Why there are problems in practice, I can't figure.

Yeah he was recently named to the Big East Honor Roll.

I remain very high on D-Lo. Let's remember, this is an era where these kids are told they are the greatest from 12 years old. There's 10 articles per day about milennials and the entitlement generation. There are tons - tons - of coaches/programs that would have told D-Lo everything he wanted to hear and welcomed him with open arms. That would have been the path of least resistence.

Instead D-Lo showed perserverence and stayed with a coach/program who has held him accountable (which stands in contrast to the complaints about his generation). To me this speaks volumes about his character. It doesn't excuse any past transgressions or eliminate the possibility of future issues, but for the time being it is commendable and a reason for optimism about where his career and contributions to this team are heading, not doubt regarding same.

Let's also not allow the suspension and his play the 2nd half of last year to cloud how good he can be. We can pull up legitimate conversations from March 2012 threads about whether or not Harkless was the best rookie on his own team because of how good Harrison had been. He followed that up by getting 20 or more in 13 of our first 20 games last year. Things did not go particularly well from there, and he like everybody else has things in his game he can work on (efficiency). But the fact remains he has shown an ability to be one the better scorers in the conference and can do so in a variety of ways. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for this team with a full compliment of depth and talent around him for the first time since he came to SJU.

FWIW there are tons of humble millenials. In fact, the way the job market is these days, student loans, and the catch-22 of applying for entry level jobs only to find out they want someone with 5 years experience, yet you can't get experience without being hired in the first place tells a very different tale. If any generation has been humbled, it's us fighting for $9/hour jobs even though we have BA's and are in graduate school and it takes $50 to fill a 4 cylinder Honda Civic. Life as youth in the previous generation seems like Disney World to most of us. Jobs plentiful, cheap gas, low requirements for jobs (BA was a big deal), lower housing prices, much cheaper tuition, not as much outsourcing, etc. Now I have a plan so I will be fine and don't want to come off like I'm whining, but it's bleak out here for many young people so I take issue with the stereotype of my generation being spoiled rotten, lazy, and pampered. Didn't want to go off topic, but hey someone else brought it up and I'm just responding.

As for D'Lo I think he's just too good to be bad for 2 years in a row. He seems like he matured a lot and has his priorities straight. If he can just learn to breathe and stop letting refs among other things get his blood boiling, he will be fine. He's due for a monster year.

It's amazing how almost every bball thread turns into a Joe3 therapy session. Relax dude. Enjoy life and especially this SJU season which is going to be GREAT. Complaining ain't gonna change a thing.

That!

Oh and call me crazy but what do the last 3 pages have to do with Orlando Sanchez?

You must be one of those guys who keeps his pencils separate form his pens separate from his highlighting markers on your desk. It's guys talking sports, and we digress sometimes. Does it really matter, Moose?

Does it matter? No it really doesn't in the grand scheme of things. Are there more important matters in the world? Yes definitely. But when I see and Orlando Sanchez thread with 3 pages of new posts I get a sinking feeling inside that something bad happened. I click and I'm happy to see nothing bad happened but also wasted 5 minutes of my life reading back and forth about nothing to do with Orlando Sanchez.

I don't think its asking too much to try to keep something on topic. I'm not asking to solve the conflict in the middle east.

*And for the record no I never separated pens, pencils and highlighters. (Who still uses pencils by the way?). I do however have a overload of folders in my email so I can properly assign them

 

[Amaseinyourface]

First, you forgot Amir.

Second, I have always stated my opinion that a good team should have a core rotation of 8 or 9 guys. You won't be the first to disagree. Problem wasn't too few players, it was lack of certain skills - guard play, post offense and good shooting.

M n M might bring shooting but can they defend BE 3's or do anything else expected of a 3? I don't think so. And if Marco can't raise his percentages significantly over 31 and 29 he's of no use.

I did forget Amir my mistake. And I think your confusing my point, I completely agree with you that a good team should have a core rotation of 8/9 guys. I just don't think we had one last year.

So you agree there was depth, just not at the right positions. I think we agree then. Needed a 2nd big who played like a big on offense and defense and a real PG running the offense that could have created opportunities for his teammates and including getting Marco the ball with shots that would get his 3pt% over 30% and his 2pt% up 10 points to 40%. He's going to be reliant on his teammates and the offense to progress. Hope it happens for him.

In a sense yes we agree. Although having no depth at guard and no depth at bigs isn't having much depth. And yea there is not a single player on this team who won't improve due to having quality point guard play.

 

[SI1996]

That's nice to hear. Maybe he will balance out Dlo

I've never met Dlo, but it has been said that he is very respectful. On court & off court personalities are completely different

I've heard he's a bright kid and a good student. His competitive nature is what gives him problems in games. Why there are problems in practice, I can't figure.

Yeah he was recently named to the Big East Honor Roll.

I remain very high on D-Lo. Let's remember, this is an era where these kids are told they are the greatest from 12 years old. There's 10 articles per day about milennials and the entitlement generation. There are tons - tons - of coaches/programs that would have told D-Lo everything he wanted to hear and welcomed him with open arms. That would have been the path of least resistence.

Instead D-Lo showed perserverence and stayed with a coach/program who has held him accountable (which stands in contrast to the complaints about his generation). To me this speaks volumes about his character. It doesn't excuse any past transgressions or eliminate the possibility of future issues, but for the time being it is commendable and a reason for optimism about where his career and contributions to this team are heading, not doubt regarding same.

Let's also not allow the suspension and his play the 2nd half of last year to cloud how good he can be. We can pull up legitimate conversations from March 2012 threads about whether or not Harkless was the best rookie on his own team because of how good Harrison had been. He followed that up by getting 20 or more in 13 of our first 20 games last year. Things did not go particularly well from there, and he like everybody else has things in his game he can work on (efficiency). But the fact remains he has shown an ability to be one the better scorers in the conference and can do so in a variety of ways. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for this team with a full compliment of depth and talent around him for the first time since he came to SJU.

FWIW there are tons of humble millenials. In fact, the way the job market is these days, student loans, and the catch-22 of applying for entry level jobs only to find out they want someone with 5 years experience, yet you can't get experience without being hired in the first place tells a very different tale. If any generation has been humbled, it's us fighting for $9/hour jobs even though we have BA's and are in graduate school and it takes $50 to fill a 4 cylinder Honda Civic. Life as youth in the previous generation seems like Disney World to most of us. Jobs plentiful, cheap gas, low requirements for jobs (BA was a big deal), lower housing prices, much cheaper tuition, not as much outsourcing, etc. Now I have a plan so I will be fine and don't want to come off like I'm whining, but it's bleak out here for many young people so I take issue with the stereotype of my generation being spoiled rotten, lazy, and pampered. Didn't want to go off topic, but hey someone else brought it up and I'm just responding.

As for D'Lo I think he's just too good to be bad for 2 years in a row. He seems like he matured a lot and has his priorities straight. If he can just learn to breathe and stop letting refs among other things get his blood boiling, he will be fine. He's due for a monster year.

It's amazing how almost every bball thread turns into a Joe3 therapy session. Relax dude. Enjoy life and especially this SJU season which is going to be GREAT. Complaining ain't gonna change a thing.

That!

Oh and call me crazy but what do the last 3 pages have to do with Orlando Sanchez?

You must be one of those guys who keeps his pencils separate form his pens separate from his highlighting markers on your desk. It's guys talking sports, and we digress sometimes. Does it really matter, Moose?

IF these topics were about sports, I think most wouldn't mind.

 

[austour]

First, you forgot Amir.

Second, I have always stated my opinion that a good team should have a core rotation of 8 or 9 guys. You won't be the first to disagree. Problem wasn't too few players, it was lack of certain skills - guard play, post offense and good shooting.

M n M might bring shooting but can they defend BE 3's or do anything else expected of a 3? I don't think so. And if Marco can't raise his percentages significantly over 31 and 29 he's of no use.

I did forget Amir my mistake. And I think your confusing my point, I completely agree with you that a good team should have a core rotation of 8/9 guys. I just don't think we had one last year.

So you agree there was depth, just not at the right positions. I think we agree then. Needed a 2nd big who played like a big on offense and defense and a real PG running the offense that could have created opportunities for his teammates and including getting Marco the ball with shots that would get his 3pt% over 30% and his 2pt% up 10 points to 40%. He's going to be reliant on his teammates and the offense to progress. Hope it happens for him.

In a sense yes we agree. Although having no depth at guard and no depth at bigs isn't having much depth. And yea there is not a single player on this team who won't improve due to having quality point guard play.

Depth to me is depth of the bench. That they had. Just not the right players. We're saying the same thing. Overall there were 4 guards, 2 wings and 3 bigs playing. That's enough usually.

 

[fun]

when I see and Orlando Sanchez thread with 3 pages of new posts I get a sinking feeling inside that something bad happened. I click and I'm happy to see nothing bad happened but also wasted 5 minutes of my life reading back and forth about nothing to do with Orlando Sanchez.

Allow me to apologize on behalf of the entire board. Because it's all about you.

 

[JohnnieGirlxo]

That's nice to hear. Maybe he will balance out Dlo

I've never met Dlo, but it has been said that he is very respectful. On court & off court personalities are completely different

I've heard he's a bright kid and a good student. His competitive nature is what gives him problems in games. Why there are problems in practice, I can't figure.

Yeah he was recently named to the Big East Honor Roll.

I remain very high on D-Lo. Let's remember, this is an era where these kids are told they are the greatest from 12 years old. There's 10 articles per day about milennials and the entitlement generation. There are tons - tons - of coaches/programs that would have told D-Lo everything he wanted to hear and welcomed him with open arms. That would have been the path of least resistence.

Instead D-Lo showed perserverence and stayed with a coach/program who has held him accountable (which stands in contrast to the complaints about his generation). To me this speaks volumes about his character. It doesn't excuse any past transgressions or eliminate the possibility of future issues, but for the time being it is commendable and a reason for optimism about where his career and contributions to this team are heading, not doubt regarding same.

Let's also not allow the suspension and his play the 2nd half of last year to cloud how good he can be. We can pull up legitimate conversations from March 2012 threads about whether or not Harkless was the best rookie on his own team because of how good Harrison had been. He followed that up by getting 20 or more in 13 of our first 20 games last year. Things did not go particularly well from there, and he like everybody else has things in his game he can work on (efficiency). But the fact remains he has shown an ability to be one the better scorers in the conference and can do so in a variety of ways. I'm looking forward to seeing what he can do for this team with a full compliment of depth and talent around him for the first time since he came to SJU.

FWIW there are tons of humble millenials. In fact, the way the job market is these days, student loans, and the catch-22 of applying for entry level jobs only to find out they want someone with 5 years experience, yet you can't get experience without being hired in the first place tells a very different tale. If any generation has been humbled, it's us fighting for $9/hour jobs even though we have BA's and are in graduate school and it takes $50 to fill a 4 cylinder Honda Civic. Life as youth in the previous generation seems like Disney World to most of us. Jobs plentiful, cheap gas, low requirements for jobs (BA was a big deal), lower housing prices, much cheaper tuition, not as much outsourcing, etc. Now I have a plan so I will be fine and don't want to come off like I'm whining, but it's bleak out here for many young people so I take issue with the stereotype of my generation being spoiled rotten, lazy, and pampered. Didn't want to go off topic, but hey someone else brought it up and I'm just responding.

As for D'Lo I think he's just too good to be bad for 2 years in a row. He seems like he matured a lot and has his priorities straight. If he can just learn to breathe and stop letting refs among other things get his blood boiling, he will be fine. He's due for a monster year.

It's amazing how almost every bball thread turns into a Joe3 therapy session. Relax dude. Enjoy life and especially this SJU season which is going to be GREAT. Complaining ain't gonna change a thing.

That!

Oh and call me crazy but what do the last 3 pages have to do with Orlando Sanchez?

You must be one of those guys who keeps his pencils separate form his pens separate from his highlighting markers on your desk. It's guys talking sports, and we digress sometimes. Does it really matter, Moose?

Does it matter? No it really doesn't in the grand scheme of things. Are there more important matters in the world? Yes definitely. But when I see and Orlando Sanchez thread with 3 pages of new posts I get a sinking feeling inside that something bad happened. I click and I'm happy to see nothing bad happened but also wasted 5 minutes of my life reading back and forth about nothing to do with Orlando Sanchez.

I don't think its asking too much to try to keep something on topic. I'm not asking to solve the conflict in the middle east.

*And for the record no I never separated pens, pencils and highlighters. (Who still uses pencils by the way?). I do however have a overload of folders in my email so I can properly assign them

Thanks Moose...Nice spontaneous wit! Agreed!

 

[Moose]

when I see and Orlando Sanchez thread with 3 pages of new posts I get a sinking feeling inside that something bad happened. I click and I'm happy to see nothing bad happened but also wasted 5 minutes of my life reading back and forth about nothing to do with Orlando Sanchez.

Allow me to apologize on behalf of the entire board. Because it's all about you.

Shirley I'm not alone in my beliefs.

 

[beast of the east]

when I see and Orlando Sanchez thread with 3 pages of new posts I get a sinking feeling inside that something bad happened. I click and I'm happy to see nothing bad happened but also wasted 5 minutes of my life reading back and forth about nothing to do with Orlando Sanchez.

Allow me to apologize on behalf of the entire board. Because it's all about you.

Shirley I'm not alone in my beliefs.

I think you two should share a malted, two straws, one drink It could be our second redmen.com romance (the first was Bobre and Mark Jackson)

 

[simplyred]

when I see and Orlando Sanchez thread with 3 pages of new posts I get a sinking feeling inside that something bad happened. I click and I'm happy to see nothing bad happened but also wasted 5 minutes of my life reading back and forth about nothing to do with Orlando Sanchez.

Allow me to apologize on behalf of the entire board. Because it's all about you.

Shirley I'm not alone in my beliefs.

I think you two should share a malted, two straws, one drink It could be our second redmen.com romance (the first was Bobre and Mark Jackson)

Of course, after a "date" with fun, one ends up buried in the crawl space under his house.