Orlando Sanchez

Why is the poor kid still here? For his sake I want him to go pro overseas or in the NBA to start making money and getting playing time. It's just a tease at this point having him stay here without being able to use him. The NCAA completely booted this one.
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How did the NCAA boot this? From everything that's out there it sounds like he was ruled ineligible in November because he played semi-pro ball in Spain. St Johns has been trying to change the decision ever since, basically arguing extenuating circumstances (both his parents had passed away etc etc).
How's it the NCAAs fault that no means no?

The NCAA has a ridiculous amount of faults, I just don't see how this is one of them.
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If he's actually still practicing with the team, then there is no way the NCAA has officially ruled he's ineligible. Reports saying such a ruling has been made would have to be wrong. That's pretty simple. Practice an ineligible kid, your TEAM can be ineligible. So again IF he's practicing with the team, that is being done under NCAA permission, and an indicator that "no DOESN'T mean no" in this case. It could be simple semantics, or the NCAA covering it's OWN behind - as true "no" could well be actionable in this case (don't know that it is, but a possibility given the current legal climate, and some of the public revelations recently regarding NCAA investigators). But again - IF he's practicing still, that HAS to be with NCAA permission - so yes - this WOULD still be THEIR fault.
 
Why is the poor kid still here? For his sake I want him to go pro overseas or in the NBA to start making money and getting playing time. It's just a tease at this point having him stay here without being able to use him. The NCAA completely booted this one.
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How did the NCAA boot this? From everything that's out there it sounds like he was ruled ineligible in November because he played semi-pro ball in Spain. St Johns has been trying to change the decision ever since, basically arguing extenuating circumstances (both his parents had passed away etc etc).
How's it the NCAAs fault that no means no?

The NCAA has a ridiculous amount of faults, I just don't see how this is one of them.
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If he's actually still practicing with the team, then there is no way the NCAA has officially ruled he's ineligible. Reports saying such a ruling has been made would have to be wrong. That's pretty simple. Practice an ineligible kid, your TEAM can be ineligible. So again IF he's practicing with the team, that is being done under NCAA permission, and an indicator that "no DOESN'T mean no" in this case. It could be simple semantics, or the NCAA covering it's OWN behind - as true "no" could well be actionable in this case (don't know that it is, but a possibility given the current legal climate, and some of the public revelations recently regarding NCAA investigators). But again - IF he's practicing still, that HAS to be with NCAA permission - so yes - this WOULD still be THEIR fault.
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That's just not true CR.
You can practice if you pass the academic clearinghouse. The initial academic standards have 2 levels of eligibility; Full (you can do everything), partial - you can red-shirt, be on scholarship, and practice (initially) but can't compete initially. (although your conference may have stricter rules that don't allow partial qualifiers).
But everyone who is academically eligible can practice. (there is a small exception where a partial-qualifier who does poorly in class first semester can lose the ability to practice 2nd semester.. but that's minutiae)

A violation of amateurism rules though deems you unable to compete, and your team can be penalized if you do.

The NCAA only recently started "certifying" amateur status for incoming student athletes. It used to be (say pre-2006), your school decided if you were an amateur. Orlando practicing (if he even is) doesn't mean the NCAA hasn't ruled on him. You can still practice as long as you passed those initial academic standards - you just might not be able to play in games.
 
It makes no sense to me, that the school knows he is not eligible and still allows him to practice with the team. None of this registers!
 
I understand the need for rules, but this seems a little unfair to sanchez (although I am sure we don't know all the information). I am glad they are taking this public.
 
Ruled Ineligible per NYT due to 3:38 second stint on Dominican National Team
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Wowsers. I just read the article. That's what the NCAA is harping on? A lousy three minutes and thirty-eight seconds? Sheesh. I know the rules are the rules, but man - that is extremely punitive.
 
Just unreal really...3 minutes is what costs the kid who lost both of his parents and had no idea coming from DR. Something tells me if this was UCLA, the NCAA would push him through.
 
Just unreal really...3 minutes is what costs the kid who lost both of his parents and had no idea coming from DR. Something tells me if this was UCLA, the NCAA would push him through.
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Well funny you mention UCLA cause STJ retained Orr, the Muhammed attorney. Hoping to get him for next year. I think getting this story public is a big step. It makes the NCAA look really really bad.
 
Just unreal really...3 minutes is what costs the kid who lost both of his parents and had no idea coming from DR. Something tells me if this was UCLA, the NCAA would push him through.
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Well funny you mention UCLA cause STJ retained Orr, the Muhammed attorney. Hoping to get him for next year. I think getting this story public is a big step. It makes the NCAA look really really bad.
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I'm curious why it took this long for this 3 minute thirty-eight second issue to be leaked to the media. I presume you don't want to get on the bad side of the NCAAs, but still.... I like the fight that the school and this kid are putting up.
 
The timing could not be better in light of the illegal information gathering (bribing) in the Miami investigation.
Selective enforcement has been going on forever. Remember Tark and UNLV.
 
How can they possibly find him guilty of a rule he never heard of living in the DR? He was with the NATIONAL team. Who wouldn't take that opportunity? He had no control over this.
 
I believe SJU is doing what it can at this point. I know that Orlando is doing what he is supposed to do.
He was a bronze medal award winner for athletes with 3.0 or better GPA for the first semester.
 
No free tattoos, no free benz, no agent kickbacks. Just strapping the name of his home country that he is proud to represent on his jersey.
 
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