I am not suggesting conspiracy at all; "solid" being in the mind of the beholder and the point my friend was making was that since the NCAA was not just putting the matter to bed, he assumed the paperwork was :solid." My bad in using the word "understanding", it was his read of the situation rather than any inside, first hand knowledge. As for the NCAA who knows their motivations? They may feel that their is nothing in the paperwork damning but it doesn't "prove" his eligibility. Again, Lavin and co. are experienced, savvy pros IMO. Sanchez was a good serious, student during his first semester here. That leads me to believe they thought they had good documentation proving right of eligibility. The lack of response by the NCAA lends credence to that but again, it my mean nothing. The NCAA is certainly arrogant enough to take a the position that they don't have to answer at all, that they have already ruled. My friend, who has batted heads with the NCAA a couple of times in his career, offered his opinion; as I said, take it for what it's worth. We BSed about it from a lot of angles, including a "conspiracy theory" that it was a backlash for the role SJU played in the Catholic School revolt which further weakened the NCAA as they try to find an end game that keeps the football schools under their roof. I know the seperation announcement came after this all began but it obviously was in the works for a while and by all accounts SJU was one of the leaders. Again, I don't believe that is the reality, just trying to put the conversation in a context.
Orlando Sanchez
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I am not suggesting conspiracy at all; "solid" being in the mind of the beholder and the point my friend was making was that since the NCAA was not just putting the matter to bed, he assumed the paperwork was :solid." My bad in using the word "understanding", it was his read of the situation rather than any inside, first hand knowledge. As for the NCAA who knows their motivations? They may feel that their is nothing in the paperwork damning but it doesn't "prove" his eligibility. Again, Lavin and co. are experienced, savvy pros IMO. Sanchez was a good serious, student during his first semester here. That leads me to believe they thought they had good documentation proving right of eligibility. The lack of response by the NCAA lends credence to that but again, it my mean nothing. The NCAA is certainly arrogant enough to take a the position that they don't have to answer at all, that they have already ruled. My friend, who has batted heads with the NCAA a couple of times in his career, offered his opinion; as I said, take it for what it's worth. We BSed about it from a lot of angles, including a "conspiracy theory" that it was a backlash for the role SJU played in the Catholic School revolt which further weakened the NCAA as they try to find an end game that keeps the football schools under their roof. I know the seperation announcement came after this all began but it obviously was in the works for a while and by all accounts SJU was one of the leaders. Again, I don't believe that is the reality, just trying to put the conversation in a context.
It's hard to believe the NCAA doesn't have the imagination to appreciate what a superior MSG based team could do for the game as a whole. It would mean money in everyone's pocket. Letting a Dominican kid through to help fill the arenas hurts exactly who? We all know the crap they ignore nationwide and it's only a matter of time before some enterprising news hawk devotes the time and effort to blow the lid off the whole thing. Wasn't so long ago that the IOC overplayed it's hand leading to the pros blowing off the world in the games. People want to see good ball - not a bunch of pompous, annoying administrators playing head games with well meaning programs like ours.
boo haarvey
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Not looking to pick on any poster in particular, but the conspiracy theory is just plain silly at this juncture. Both Syracuse and G-Town's second leading scorers are being held out due to eligibility issues. Kansas has had its share of issues with the NCAA. Why does Duke never seem to get hit? The answer is obvious -- like him or not, Coach K and his staff take pains to recruit model students with excellent and established track records. That's not necesserily a criticism to Lavin -- at this juncture, Duke doesn't need to take a chance on kids who may never play.
The fact of the matter is we all know very little regarding Sanchez' situation. It's easy to vilify the NCAA, but I haven't heard one logical reason why they would want to treat SJU any different than any other school. As an earlier poster pointed out, it's in the NCAA's best interest for Sanchez to play if he's eligible.
I'm certainly not trying to suggest that the NCAA is beyong reproach -- I know better. But I don't think it's appropriate to rush to judgments without knowing the facts. Also, not to overrate the impact of a message board, but I think it's detrimental to recruiting to suggest that a student athlete will be singled out or receive less favorable treatment if he attends SJU. If I were a recruit and there were any truth to that accusation, I would think twice before coming here. Thankfully, I have not seen any evidence suggesting that this is the case.
brooklyndon1
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r.i.p to this thread please its over. on another note ive been having trouble putting up picture on the site anyone else having this issue.
Please stop with the BS. Duke gets preferential treatment. Corey Magette a model student, please. He waas involved with Myron Piggy and was later declared ineligible by NCAA after he left Duke and Duke did not suffer any reprecussions. Derek Rose was declared ineligible after leaving Memphis and all hell broke loose. Lance Thomas bought $70,000.00 worth of jewelry while at Duke and that story had a short shelf life. Chris Duhon's mother moved from Louisiana to Durham and got a very nice job. Was down in North Carolina for the Bob Gibbons tournament quite a few years. Most Dukies were driving Lexus RX SUV's at that time.
The NCAA does practice selective enforcement.
Ray Morgan
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For a thread that is 115 pages long, I learned the following:
1st: Orlando Sanchez was declared ineligible in November. 2nd: Nothing. That tells you how secretive this whole process is. It seems like silence has to be observed by the parties, so maybe there is a 3rd thing I learned. We are all waiting for one thing: some sort of final verdict. Before that happens, can anyone provide a definitive answer on whether Orlando is currently practicing with the team. If not, when did he last practice? That's assuming he is allowed, in his current state of limbo, to participate in practices with the team.
1st: Orlando Sanchez was declared ineligible in November. 2nd: Nothing. That tells you how secretive this whole process is. It seems like silence has to be observed by the parties, so maybe there is a 3rd thing I learned. We are all waiting for one thing: some sort of final verdict. Before that happens, can anyone provide a definitive answer on whether Orlando is currently practicing with the team. If not, when did he last practice? That's assuming he is allowed, in his current state of limbo, to participate in practices with the team.
I am not sure Orlando was declared ineligible but rather he has yet to be declared eligible.
Was anybody paying attention when Monte said a quick Internet search shows Orlando was playing in Spain for two years?
And you guys are still complaining that the NCAA hasn't been fair to him.
Also, whoever said Duke doesn't have to take chances on players is absolutely right.
And, eligibility issues are much different than illegal benefits - because god knows where those are coming from, and good luck tracing the money or proving it.
Eligibility issues are much more upfront and clear. And it's true that big time programs generally don't have to take the chances we do. They pick and choose who they want to recruit.
We haven't been able to be so selective because we needed bodies AND talent, so badly.
And you guys are still complaining that the NCAA hasn't been fair to him.
Also, whoever said Duke doesn't have to take chances on players is absolutely right.
And, eligibility issues are much different than illegal benefits - because god knows where those are coming from, and good luck tracing the money or proving it.
Eligibility issues are much more upfront and clear. And it's true that big time programs generally don't have to take the chances we do. They pick and choose who they want to recruit.
We haven't been able to be so selective because we needed bodies AND talent, so badly.
Moose
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brooklyndon1
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my opinion sorry it bothers you but oh well
Of course it's your opinion; whose else would it be? And again, don't open it, make believe it doesn't exist. I get tired of threads but I am not so arrogant as to think I should tell other people when to stop discussing something. I don't like some posters but I am not so arrogant as to tell them not to post, I ignore their posts. So your comment per se doesn't bother me, but it smacks of arrogance and yes, I don't like that. Your second comment smacks of arrogance even more so I just found another poster I will ignore, not that that should bother someone superior enough to tell other people when to stop a discussion