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Once again this board manages to overcomplicate the uncomplicated.

This is a 5-star recruit we've been recruiting for going on three years. His mother is hosting his finalists. Outside of an illness or an important family matter, our head coach needs to be there. That's his g-d damn job.
 
[quote="Room112" post=295180][quote="fordham96" post=295149][quote="Andrew" post=295140]We already have Eli Wright and David Caraher signed and I am sure we will bring in some more transfers to fill out the roster.[/quote]

I expected a lot more from the Mullin hire by recruiting class #4 then Eli Wright and David Caraher who are already on the roster but can't play.

And I don't think I'm alone.[/quote]

So in your opinion, what could/should have been done differently that would have allowed us to land our top targets?[/quote]

I am not going to discuss specific recruits that I think SJU could have gotten but I can tell you lack of communication, appearances and very poor staff structure led to a few definitive failures. Some of the stories are embarrassing.
 
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[quote="fordham96" post=295183][quote="Room112" post=295180][quote="fordham96" post=295149][quote="Andrew" post=295140]We already have Eli Wright and David Caraher signed and I am sure we will bring in some more transfers to fill out the roster.[/quote]

I expected a lot more from the Mullin hire by recruiting class #4 then Eli Wright and David Caraher who are already on the roster but can't play.

And I don't think I'm alone.[/quote]

So in your opinion, what could/should have been done differently that would have allowed us to land our top targets?[/quote]

I am not going to discuss specific recruits that I think SJU could have gotten but I can tell you lack of communication, appearances and very poor staff structure led to a few definitive failures. Some of the stories are embarrassing.[/quote] It doesnt suprise me. Reading about our schedule, Mitch MIA, Mullin not going to Ireland, Not augmenting the staff , the staff makeup, lack of coaching exp,and other stories are maddening.
 
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=295187][quote="fordham96" post=295183][quote="Room112" post=295180][quote="fordham96" post=295149][quote="Andrew" post=295140]We already have Eli Wright and David Caraher signed and I am sure we will bring in some more transfers to fill out the roster.[/quote]

I expected a lot more from the Mullin hire by recruiting class #4 then Eli Wright and David Caraher who are already on the roster but can't play.

And I don't think I'm alone.[/quote]

So in your opinion, what could/should have been done differently that would have allowed us to land our top targets?[/quote]

I am not going to discuss specific recruits that I think SJU could have gotten but I can tell you lack of communication, appearances and very poor staff structure led to a few definitive failures. Some of the stories are embarrassing.[/quote] It doesnt suprize me. Reading about our schedule, Mitch MIA, Mullin not going to Ireland, Not augmenting the staff , the staff makeup, lack of coaching exp,and other stories are maddening.[/quote]

We can complain all we want until the first game of the season and it won't change a thing. The schedule is done.
Mitch Richmond is back. Mullin likely was never going to land Aiden. The staff is composed of a bunch of "yes" men content to earn an easy paycheck except for Matt. With Mullin the lack of coaching experience is less of a factor than his lack of teaching and communication skills. There are many coaches that can impress with their teaching approach to the game. Mullin will never be one of them. He needed a strong communicator both in practice sessions and with intended targets and parents. It is what it is and unless we have a terrific year not much will change.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=295166]When we land kids apparently it is fine to celebrate, but when staff strikes out on targets, expressing disappointment and concern is negativity.

Hard to trust the process blindly when 18 & 19 classes were deemed critical. Please don’t think that getting Caraher, Wright transfers negates striking out on HS targets. I personally think you can only rely on transfers for so long. Kids like Dawes and Kofi are still in play and the Spring may also be fruitful, but to me it is quite ok to be disappointed in results to date.

Winning this year is also critical to recruiting success, but you obviously have to demonstrate that on the court. I think they will, but the BE is always a challenge. On to the season.[/quote]

To be fair, when recruiting for a second division Big East school , or any school for that matter beyond the elites, you have going to have far more strikeouts than home runs. To snare a kid who could go to Kentucky, Duke, Villanova, or any other elite program is almost mind boggling to us because virtually none of us would do the same given the same opportunity.

There ARE a concentrated number of posts here that focus on the negativity almost completely. They think that by stating, "I'm excited about the coming season and am looking forward to a great year" somehow negates 200 words or so of Mullin, Mitch, GSJ, and school bashing.

Yes we have to recruit HS players. But ALSO yes is the fact that Nevada, Loyola, and Texas Tech went very deep into the tournament for the first time in a veyr long time on the backs of transfers. I really don't see the difference between a highly touted player who stays one year and goes pro, or looks for greener pastures and transfers out after a successful year, and a talented player transferring in. The era of 4 year productive top level talent is over. So I don't care that Simon, Clarke, and Heron transferred in as being inferior to Ponds coming in from HS and likely staying only 3 years.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295192][quote="Paultzman" post=295166]When we land kids apparently it is fine to celebrate, but when staff strikes out on targets, expressing disappointment and concern is negativity.

Hard to trust the process blindly when 18 & 19 classes were deemed critical. Please don’t think that getting Caraher, Wright transfers negates striking out on HS targets. I personally think you can only rely on transfers for so long. Kids like Dawes and Kofi are still in play and the Spring may also be fruitful, but to me it is quite ok to be disappointed in results to date.

Winning this year is also critical to recruiting success, but you obviously have to demonstrate that on the court. I think they will, but the BE is always a challenge. On to the season.[/quote]

To be fair, when recruiting for a second division Big East school , or any school for that matter beyond the elites, you have going to have far more strikeouts than home runs. To snare a kid who could go to Kentucky, Duke, Villanova, or any other elite program is almost mind boggling to us because virtually none of us would do the same given the same opportunity.

There ARE a concentrated number of posts here that focus on the negativity almost completely. They think that by stating, "I'm excited about the coming season and am looking forward to a great year" somehow negates 200 words or so of Mullin, Mitch, GSJ, and school bashing.

Yes we have to recruit HS players. But ALSO yes is the fact that Nevada, Loyola, and Texas Tech went very deep into the tournament for the first time in a veyr long time on the backs of transfers. I really don't see the difference between a highly touted player who stays one year and goes pro, or looks for greener pastures and transfers out after a successful year, and a talented player transferring in. The era of 4 year productive top level talent is over. So I don't care that Simon, Clarke, and Heron transferred in as being inferior to Ponds coming in from HS and likely staying only 3 years.[/quote]

I don't disagree with you, but the issue on the table is effort.
 
[quote="fordham96" post=295183][quote="Room112" post=295180][quote="fordham96" post=295149][quote="Andrew" post=295140]We already have Eli Wright and David Caraher signed and I am sure we will bring in some more transfers to fill out the roster.[/quote]

I expected a lot more from the Mullin hire by recruiting class #4 then Eli Wright and David Caraher who are already on the roster but can't play.

And I don't think I'm alone.[/quote]

So in your opinion, what could/should have been done differently that would have allowed us to land our top targets?[/quote]

I am not going to discuss specific recruits that I think SJU could have gotten but I can tell you lack of communication, appearances and very poor staff structure led to a few definitive failures. Some of the stories are embarrassing.[/quote]

Ok fair enough. I don't have inside info. My stance has been pretty clear in that I just don't see us as a destination based on two decades worth of losing, so I'm not surprised we lose out on any of these kids to higher tier schools.
 
[quote="Room112" post=295196][quote="fordham96" post=295183][quote="Room112" post=295180][quote="fordham96" post=295149][quote="Andrew" post=295140]We already have Eli Wright and David Caraher signed and I am sure we will bring in some more transfers to fill out the roster.[/quote]

I expected a lot more from the Mullin hire by recruiting class #4 then Eli Wright and David Caraher who are already on the roster but can't play.

And I don't think I'm alone.[/quote]

So in your opinion, what could/should have been done differently that would have allowed us to land our top targets?[/quote]

I am not going to discuss specific recruits that I think SJU could have gotten but I can tell you lack of communication, appearances and very poor staff structure led to a few definitive failures. Some of the stories are embarrassing.[/quote]

Ok fair enough. I don't have inside info. My stance has been pretty clear in that I just don't see us as a destination based on two decades worth of losing, so I'm not surprised we lose out on any of these kids to higher tier schools.[/quote]

2 questions people need to ask themselves then:

1)Why did they fire the previous staff if that was going to be an excuse for the current staff? There is no way that laziness and lack of recruiting would have tolerated nor was it tolerated for the previous staff. I mean the current and previous roster of players could not have been recruited in terms of talent level (maybe not the exact players) by Steve Lavin or even Norm Roberts? Really?

2)Just giving you a hypothetical. Let's say Chris said NO to SJU in 2015. It was made clear to me 3 1/2 years ago that 1 and 1a were Chris Mullin and Danny Hurley. Let's just play this out hypothetically. Let's say after Mullin says no they turn to Danny and he says YES. Just asking, do you think SJU would have the same struggles the last 3 years and would be consistently failing on upper tier recruits?

What is past is past and I want Coach Mullin to succeed and hopefully a good season and some luck and things will change. What I don't like are the excuses being afforded him and they would have NEVER been allowed for anyone else simply because his name is Mullin.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=295193][quote="Beast of the East" post=295192][quote="Paultzman" post=295166]When we land kids apparently it is fine to celebrate, but when staff strikes out on targets, expressing disappointment and concern is negativity.

Hard to trust the process blindly when 18 & 19 classes were deemed critical. Please don’t think that getting Caraher, Wright transfers negates striking out on HS targets. I personally think you can only rely on transfers for so long. Kids like Dawes and Kofi are still in play and the Spring may also be fruitful, but to me it is quite ok to be disappointed in results to date.

Winning this year is also critical to recruiting success, but you obviously have to demonstrate that on the court. I think they will, but the BE is always a challenge. On to the season.[/quote]

To be fair, when recruiting for a second division Big East school , or any school for that matter beyond the elites, you have going to have far more strikeouts than home runs. To snare a kid who could go to Kentucky, Duke, Villanova, or any other elite program is almost mind boggling to us because virtually none of us would do the same given the same opportunity.

There ARE a concentrated number of posts here that focus on the negativity almost completely. They think that by stating, "I'm excited about the coming season and am looking forward to a great year" somehow negates 200 words or so of Mullin, Mitch, GSJ, and school bashing.

Yes we have to recruit HS players. But ALSO yes is the fact that Nevada, Loyola, and Texas Tech went very deep into the tournament for the first time in a veyr long time on the backs of transfers. I really don't see the difference between a highly touted player who stays one year and goes pro, or looks for greener pastures and transfers out after a successful year, and a talented player transferring in. The era of 4 year productive top level talent is over. So I don't care that Simon, Clarke, and Heron transferred in as being inferior to Ponds coming in from HS and likely staying only 3 years.[/quote]

I don't disagree with you, but the issue on the table is effort.[/quote]

My point is that I am closer than many here to key decision makers and I don't hear many grumblings about lack of effort. Not to say there aren't ANY critiques at all, but the way the effort issue is discussed here, you would think that Mullin and crew are VERIFIABLY a lazy bunch. Most people here appear to be repeating what a few posters claim is fact, and then posting fact without any personal knowledge. It's debilitating, and casts a negative pall on this site continually.
 
I think it's pretty obvious how this will end.... A disappointing season where we don't reach expectations because we are completely out-coached in every Big East game, striking out in the 2019 class, and (hopefully) Mullin deciding coaching isn't for him and going back to Cali to play H-O-R-S-E with the Warriors.
 
Rest assured Matt A would welcome help at this point in his tenure. Perhaps he enjoyed being king of the recruiting hill post Slice, but I know that has changed. Believe me on this.

Hopefully he conveys that to his boss and a second recruiter is added to the mix. Seton Hall, Providence, etc utilize that approach. Our one man model is insufficient based on results I see. If CM chooses to stay the course with Matt doing all the heavy lifting, so be it. We can then see how that translates to becoming a competitive program.

I remain skeptical but supportive. Btw, no one is perfect, but suspect Matt will burn out in the current approach. Without him, the transfer game won’t work as well.
 
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Beast , the futility of explanation to those who are self proclaimed critics must wear thin after a while . You are to be commended for trying to do so ... It’s the never ending sniping and negativity from a core of posters that undermine the efforts of those working to improve this Program . It was disgraceful the amount of posts this Summer that targeted Mitch Richmond and the level of the comments were often childish or worse . Kind of like Maxine Waters talking about Trump . And, just about as credible .
 
Can we just change every thread title to I am not happy with Chris Mullin? I mean that is basically what is going on anyway. I was reading the Met and Yankee threads to get away from this and people were taking shots at Mullin. Heck Maher's favorite food thread is now just a cover for Mullin bashing..

I think we make the tourney and if Heron is available although he wont be we would be really good. Just seems silly to keep bitching before a season that we most likely wont suck. Just me I guess. If we do suck bash away. But hopefully this stuff dies down once season starts if we are winning games. Bet it wont though.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=295205]Rest assured Matt A would welcome help at this point in his tenure. Perhaps he enjoyed being king of the recruiting hill post Slice, but I know that has changed. Believe me on this.

Hopefully he conveys that to his boss and a second recruiter is added to the mix. Seton Hall, Providence, etc utilize that approach. Our one man model is insufficient based on results I see. If CM chooses to stay the course with Matt doing all the heavy lifting, so be it. We can then see how that translates to becoming a competitive program.

I remain skeptical but supportive. Btw, no one is perfect, but suspect Matt will burn out in the current approach. Without him, the transfer game won’t work as well.[/quote]

I think there will be hmmm "positive encouragement" put on Chris to expand the staff to include another hard boiled talented recruiter. To that point, I think Mike Rice is a HC type, and not someone who would be happy (in the long term) beating the bushes as a primary pursuit even if he could deliver one or two of his AAU plums. I think recruiters are the college equivalent of middle relief pitchers - incredibly important to the success of a program, but others get all of the credit.

Hopefully it happens, but in the meantime, I do believe Heron will be made eligible, but the NCAA can take its time on this one, perhaps to discourage anyone contemplating doing the same. When that happens, we likely will become a bonafide NCAA team as opposed to a good team fighting for a dance ticket.
 
[quote="otis" post=295164][quote="oldschool Redmen" post=295156]
....Who was it that didn't want Rice, was it Mullin himself?.......[/quote]

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Nope. The Administration did not sign off on the hire because of perceived negative pushback because of Mr. Rice’s past indiscretions reported in the news.[/quote]

If that’s true, that’s small town ‘thinking’, not conducive to the Big Apple All-inclusive ‘redemption’ concept, of gauging turnaround behavior and facts and making decisions accordingly—and much more like Small Pear, what will the neighbors think futility.
And thinking drives the bus.
This bus will stall.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295216][quote="Paultzman" post=295205]Rest assured Matt A would welcome help at this point in his tenure. Perhaps he enjoyed being king of the recruiting hill post Slice, but I know that has changed. Believe me on this.

Hopefully he conveys that to his boss and a second recruiter is added to the mix. Seton Hall, Providence, etc utilize that approach. Our one man model is insufficient based on results I see. If CM chooses to stay the course with Matt doing all the heavy lifting, so be it. We can then see how that translates to becoming a competitive program.

I remain skeptical but supportive. Btw, no one is perfect, but suspect Matt will burn out in the current approach. Without him, the transfer game won’t work as well.[/quote]

I think there will be hmmm "positive encouragement" put on Chris to expand the staff to include another hard boiled talented recruiter. To that point, I think Mike Rice is a HC type, and not someone who would be happy (in the long term) beating the bushes as a primary pursuit even if he could deliver one or two of his AAU plums. I think recruiters are the college equivalent of middle relief pitchers - incredibly important to the success of a program, but others get all of the credit.

Hopefully it happens, but in the meantime, I do believe Heron will be made eligible, but the NCAA can take its time on this one, perhaps to discourage anyone contemplating doing the same. When that happens, we likely will become a bonafide NCAA team as opposed to a good team fighting for a dance ticket.[/quote]
Over summer a top SJU administrator did to his credit entertain telephone calls re: fan concerns about staff composition. During one with guess who, he did indicate agreement with a change beneficial to balancing recruiting resources. No specific names were referenced, but his agreement was quite clear. Hopefully, as you infer, people in authority will help move the needle on this at some point.
 
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Zach B
UConn lands top 100 Brooklyn native James Booknight. Dan Hurley and Co. involved for many more top locals.
 
As I had posed above....Maybe helps on the Gaffney, Dawes, or other front(s)?

[quote="Paultzman" post=295220]Zach B
UConn lands top 100 Brooklyn native James Booknight. Dan Hurley and Co. involved for many more top locals.[/quote]
 
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