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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295994]There seems to be a perception of many that simply being overly optimistic and ignoring any negative press means that all is peachy in Queens and they are correct automatically. You can live in an echochamber, or you can read what many reporters are saying and implying (by the way the reporters implying the lack of effort are huge Mullin supporters): Mullin is being outworked recruiting period. No one is celebrating this Beast, we want him to knock down the HS gym doors...you know like he promised in his press conference accepting the job.

Example:

Student A: "Hey look Dad! I got a 100 on my test!"

Dad: "Uh, son...it says 54 here, not 100. You have a lot of work to do and need to put in more effort studying"

Student A: "I HATE YOU! STOP BEING NEGATIVE! It's a 100 damnit! Go root for some other student!"[/quote]

You literally make the worst analogies... My only point with you is that you're the type that covers your ass in whatever scenario plays out.. I respect Tom in Salem because he makes no secret about his dislike of Mullin.. you talk shit about Mullin for 3 paragraphs and then say how much you love "Mully"..
 
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I don't know Beast, Mike Zaun or Chris Mullin on a personal level but will share my thoughts based on my intuition. As a trained CPA, I am supposed to use skeptical judgment.(You can make CPA jokes if you want). I unfortunately have limited facts here and therefore will write a mostly subjective opinion.

Beast, Mike and I have a lot of concern for St. John's and the basketball team. Beast shows this by interviewing and hiring St. John's students and joining the Red White Club for example and definitely more. Mike Zaun does this by volunteering his time at St. John's charity events, organizing St. John's events and more. I do this by making small contributions to the university, renewing my season tickets and showing up to baseball games. I definitely do the least but still have the right to an opinion.

My opinion is that Chris Mullin is a good person. He was a childhood hero of mine and I am sure that he is doing his best to make the program successful . He wouldn't have taken the job and involved Coach Lou if he didn't.

I have been on record here that I don't beleive Mullin's tenure will end well for a variety of reasons. However, I do not feel think it is necessary to repeat this or criticize everything he does on a daily basis. I did this at times with Lavin and realize now why it got on the nerves of several posters. I am unfortunately too negative at times so I can relate to why Mike posts negative things incessantly and Mike is certainly not the only one who does this. Beast on the other hand does not post positive things on a minute to minute basis and he does point out the negatives when they happen. I certainly don't agree with his political views and I can see why some can find him "bumptious'" at times.

I would like if people didn't overreact to Mike's repetitive posts and I sincerely hope he reins it in.He is clearly a huge fan and we need more of guys like him. I enjoy Beasts basketball posts and don't find them repetitive. I don't love some of his other posts but find them to come from his heart.

Hope that makes some sense.
 
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[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=295986][quote="Beast of the East" post=295980][quote="Adam" post=295975]Obviously the effort in terms of recruiting is severely lacking. Also he made some dumb decisions like the OOC schedule and has an inability to control his staff.

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So, how do you KNOW the effort in recruiting is lacking?

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How do you know it isn't? I'll admit I have no idea who you are, so all I can do is ask you how you know more than our primary beat writer for a major NY paper, as well as one of the most highly respect national recruiting writers in the country, both of whom have now clearly implied that they do not believe the senior members of our staff are putting in max effort on the recruiting front. If you'll just explain why I should not believe them, and instead believe you, I'll gladly never suggest the staff is not working hard again.[/quote]

Please print the quote where you understand that a beat writer thinks our staff doesn't work hard.

Clearly you have an issue with reading comprehension. I'm not asserting they are working hard. I'm saying that those of you who assert our staff doesn't work hard doesn't have any strong basis in fact to assert this. But if you assert something, you simply cannot point to lack of success in closing out deals. You must provide evidence that Mullin's staff puts in short hours, doesn't interact with recruits, doesn't mentor or coach our players, etc. When you make an assertion the burden of proof is on the accuser, and I'm saying most of you guys have no basis to make these claims.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295994]There seems to be a perception of many that simply being overly optimistic and ignoring any negative press means that all is peachy in Queens and they are correct automatically. You can live in an echochamber, or you can read what many reporters are saying and implying (by the way the reporters implying the lack of effort are huge Mullin supporters): Mullin is being outworked recruiting period. No one is celebrating this Beast, we want him to knock down the HS gym doors...you know like he promised in his press conference accepting the job.

Example:

Student A: "Hey look Dad! I got a 100 on my test!"

Dad: "Uh, son...it says 54 here, not 100. You have a lot of work to do and need to put in more effort studying"

Student A: "I HATE YOU! STOP BEING NEGATIVE! It's a 100 damnit! Go root for some other student!"[/quote]

I am confused. Is there a student B, C or D?
Is the "Dad" " Student A's" Dad or just a random Dad?
Could "Dad" possibly be wrong and "Student A" actually got 100 not a 54?
Has Mike Zaun lost his mind because his medium T shirt is too tight?
Sooo many questions
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295990]It's a results oriented business and he is just not getting any at this point. [/quote]

Finally I agree with something you wrote... Well, not completely.

it IS a results oriented business. That's ALL that should matter. I've said this several times already. It's subjective as to whether you see progress or not. I do see progress here. After being handed a miserable team in year 1 (1-17), we improved by SIX games in conference in year 2. To me, six more wins is a big jump. Then we get out of the gates like 10-2 starting the Big East season with high hopes for maybe 10 or 11 wins and an NCAA bid. Then, with a roster not deep, a key injury occurs.

Year 4 our roster is as deep as we've had in maybe 15 years or more. With Heron, we may be a cinch to dance, and if he is eligible and the team is healthy, anything short of the tournament would be a monumental failure. Without him we are a bubble team in a reasonable guess.

To me, that all is an indicator that in year 4 we are headed in the right direction. RESULTS do matter, and to me this years roster is the RESULT of hard work and success in building a formidable roster.

I would acknowledge reasonably, that my conclusions are subjective and as such subject to other differing less enthusiastic opinions. Your opinions, though, are asserted as fact.

Mike, you can articulate that there is no God, and Austour would hop in and agree wholeheartedly, but that doesn't make you right. I can assert the opposite, but couldn't within scientific reason prove my point. But I would acknowledge that and you would come up with a silly movie comparison.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=296002][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=295986][quote="Beast of the East" post=295980][quote="Adam" post=295975]Obviously the effort in terms of recruiting is severely lacking. Also he made some dumb decisions like the OOC schedule and has an inability to control his staff.

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So, how do you KNOW the effort in recruiting is lacking?

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How do you know it isn't? I'll admit I have no idea who you are, so all I can do is ask you how you know more than our primary beat writer for a major NY paper, as well as one of the most highly respect national recruiting writers in the country, both of whom have now clearly implied that they do not believe the senior members of our staff are putting in max effort on the recruiting front. If you'll just explain why I should not believe them, and instead believe you, I'll gladly never suggest the staff is not working hard again.[/quote]

Please print the quote where you understand that a beat writer thinks our staff doesn't work hard.

Clearly you have an issue with reading comprehension. I'm not asserting they are working hard. I'm saying that those of you who assert our staff doesn't work hard doesn't have any strong basis in fact to assert this. But if you assert something, you simply cannot point to lack of success in closing out deals. You must provide evidence that Mullin's staff puts in short hours, doesn't interact with recruits, doesn't mentor or coach our players, etc. When you make an assertion the burden of proof is on the accuser, and I'm saying most of you guys have no basis to make these claims.[/quote]

Why the personal insult right off the bat? I'm just asking, though I'm sure the predictable reply will be that I need to develop thicker skin or something.

As to your question, I specifically asked a writer on twitter last night about our chances with remaining 2019 recruits. The response he gave, and I'm quoting here, was as follows: "(Gulp) I know they’re working hard. Well, Matt and Greg. Would focus more on the team on the court this year than any given recruit. Enjoy the season." Now, there is no other interpretation to this response other than this writer does not think Chris and Mitch are working hard on the recruiting trail, at least IMO (as you note, I have issues with reading comprehension, clearly). This writer writes for a major sports website and is one of the lead writers covering recruiting for another website arguably the most popular for recruiting info. Now he could very well be wrong and not know his arse from his elbow. But does that source not meet your burden of proof? I'm just a fan interpreting what i'm reading from a reputable source. Again, you may have personal relationships with people on staff or close to the program, and you may well tell me that the writer doesn't know his stuff and you actually know for a fact that Chris and Mitch are in fact busting it on the recruiting trail and then I can make my own assessment. But it's unreasonable for me to trust the information given from this particular source? Why? Please refrain from insulting me in responding.
 
I have stayed out of this , and I know I do not post a lot, but:

Is it possible that our coaches are working just as hard as others, but still won't land a single highly rated recruit? Is it possible that hs kids look at St. Johns and say that we haven't had a winning culture in about 30 years? Is it possible that they look at our facilities and say they do not match up with the top programs? Is it possible that we do not provide the best possible nutrition to them that others do? Is it possible that we do not offer the recovery tools that other schools (like Villanova offering NormaTec recovery boots to all of their players) do? And yes, is it possible our staff is not working as hard as other staffs, nor are they comprised the way we would all like?

I believe that the answer to all of these questions is yes, and if you do, then let's stop the bickering and root like heck for our team to win! That's what I am going to do.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=295980][quote="Adam" post=295975]Obviously the effort in terms of recruiting is severely lacking. Also he made some dumb decisions like the OOC schedule and has an inability to control his staff.

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So, how do you KNOW the effort in recruiting is lacking?

Beyond the Slice debacle, which as far as I can see, was caused by a war that Slice initiated, where was there an inability to control his staff? I believe short of resolving the Slice situation which would have been preferable if possible, it was a strong management move to fire him, even though he was a long time friend and there was an enormous financial commitment due to an idiotic contract. Cancer spreads, and it was apparent Slice was a cancer.

Where else do you see an inability to control his staff?[/quote]

I won't repeat the same response since some have already answered (such as Zach/insiders on this board hinting at the lack of effort).

I can't think of a single time Chris/Mitch impressed me in regards to recruiting. Maybe they are just super low key, but with how active recruits are on social media, I doubt that. Hurley and his staff for example have impressed me already, and I'm not even following UConn.

I think Chris can't control his staff because Mitch by most accounts doesn't do much and you simply can't have that.

My question to you would be, what have they done recruiting wise that was impressive? They did sign some great recruits (thanks mostly to Matt) and a few transfers, which obviously counts. But when was the last time Chris had Mitch fly across the country to meet a recruit, for example?

I'm not saying they're all lazy, I'm saying saying they can't compete with Hurley. I think that stems from arrogance of a HOF career and as a result severely bloated paychecks. Still, proven coaches like Coach K are out there grinding every day so no excuses.
 
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The one thing about Mullin that gives me great hope, is that his team played hard and didnt quit on him last season during a debilitating losing streak and were in most BEC games until the final 3-5 minutes.
Thinking that with a loaded roster this coming season, his team’s ‘time’ will have come.
We shall see.
 
Adam wrote: I won't repeat the same response since some have already answered (such as Zach/insiders on this board hinting at the lack of effort).

I can't think of a single time Chris/Mitch impressed me in regards to recruiting. Maybe they are just super low key, but with how active recruits are on social media, I doubt that. Hurley and his staff for example have impressed me already, and I'm not even following UConn.

I think Chris can't control his staff because Mitch by most accounts doesn't do much and you simply can't have that.

My question to you would be, what have they done recruiting wise that was impressive? They did sign some great recruits and a few transfer, which obviously counts. But when was the last time Chris had Mitch fly across the country to meet a recruit, for example?


I am generally a supporter of Chris & staff and understand that there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes in recruiting and staffing that I am not privy to, so am reluctant to bash the staff in that regard. Having said that, I think it is fair to point to the fact that coaches like Hurley & Ewing appear to have all hands on deck recruiting strategies and are getting some good results. I also find it inexplicable that coach didn't make the trip to Ireland to spend time with Aidan's Mom. He was clearly impressed that Coach Mack did so.

There is a perception that Coach is not as involved in the recruiting grind as are other coaches with whom we are competing for HS recruits (see references previously posted by others from Zach & Slater); maybe the perception is not reality, but it is not groundless for SJU fans to have concerns in that regard. I choose to give Coach the benefit of the doubt and believe that if MH is eligible and we have the success we should have on the court that will help us both in the spring and with the 2020 class.
 
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[quote="Adam" post=296025][quote="Beast of the East" post=295980][quote="Adam" post=295975]Obviously the effort in terms of recruiting is severely lacking. Also he made some dumb decisions like the OOC schedule and has an inability to control his staff.

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So, how do you KNOW the effort in recruiting is lacking?

Beyond the Slice debacle, which as far as I can see, was caused by a war that Slice initiated, where was there an inability to control his staff? I believe short of resolving the Slice situation which would have been preferable if possible, it was a strong management move to fire him, even though he was a long time friend and there was an enormous financial commitment due to an idiotic contract. Cancer spreads, and it was apparent Slice was a cancer.

Where else do you see an inability to control his staff?[/quote]

I won't repeat the same response since some have already answered (such as Zach/insiders on this board hinting at the lack of effort).

I can't think of a single time Chris/Mitch impressed me in regards to recruiting. Maybe they are just super low key, but with how active recruits are on social media, I doubt that. Hurley and his staff for example have impressed me already, and I'm not even following UConn.

I think Chris can't control his staff because Mitch by most accounts doesn't do much and you simply can't have that.

My question to you would be, what have they done recruiting wise that was impressive? They did sign some great recruits (thanks mostly to Matt) and a few transfers, which obviously counts. But when was the last time Chris had Mitch fly across the country to meet a recruit, for example?

I'm not saying they're all lazy, I'm saying saying they can't compete with Hurley. I think that stems from arrogance of a HOF career and as a result severely bloated paychecks. Still, proven coaches like Coach K are out there grinding every day so no excuses.[/quote]

Praying that CM and Staff use the Gaffney loss as a wake-up call. At the end of the day, we must not be out-worked.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=296029]Adam wrote: I won't repeat the same response since some have already answered (such as Zach/insiders on this board hinting at the lack of effort).

I can't think of a single time Chris/Mitch impressed me in regards to recruiting. Maybe they are just super low key, but with how active recruits are on social media, I doubt that. Hurley and his staff for example have impressed me already, and I'm not even following UConn.

I think Chris can't control his staff because Mitch by most accounts doesn't do much and you simply can't have that.

My question to you would be, what have they done recruiting wise that was impressive? They did sign some great recruits and a few transfer, which obviously counts. But when was the last time Chris had Mitch fly across the country to meet a recruit, for example?


I am generally a supporter of Chris & staff and understand that there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes in recruiting and staffing that I am not privy to, so am reluctant to bash the staff in that regard. Having said that, I think it is fair to point to the fact that coaches like Hurley & Ewing appear to have all hands on deck recruiting strategies and are getting some good results. I also find it inexplicable that coach didn't make the trip to Ireland to spend time with Aidan's Mom. He was clearly impressed that Coach Mack did so.

There is a perception that Coach is not as involved in the recruiting grind as are other coaches with whom we are competing for HS r.l,ecruits (see references previously posted by others from Zach & Slater); maybe the perception is not reality, but it is not groundless for SJU fans to have concerns in that regard. I choose to give Coach the benefit of the doubt and believe that if MH is eligible and we have the success we should have on the court that will help us both in the spring and with the 2020 class.[/quote]


Good post, NCJohnnie. I agree that this year should boost our credibility with recruits, parents, ‘handlers’ HS and AAU coaches and the press. Winning drives recruiting success. Hoping for that big time.
Also, as great a closer as Danny Hurley is and as powerful a ‘presence’ on the recruiting circuit, odds are that the 2018-19 season for UCONN will be mixed, if not a ‘rebuild’.
He will not be able to ‘boast’ about a great season.
We may well be able to.
I think ‘that’ may ‘count’ by next Spring.
 
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[quote="Anthony Mattia" post=296013]I have stayed out of this , and I know I do not post a lot, but:

Is it possible that our coaches are working just as hard as others, but still won't land a single highly rated recruit? Is it possible that hs kids look at St. Johns and say that we haven't had a winning culture in about 30 years? Is it possible that they look at our facilities and say they do not match up with the top programs? Is it possible that we do not provide the best possible nutrition to them that others do? Is it possible that we do not offer the recovery tools that other schools (like Villanova offering NormaTec recovery boots to all of their players) do? And yes, is it possible our staff is not working as hard as other staffs, nor are they comprised the way we would all like?

I believe that the answer to all of these questions is yes, and if you do, then let's stop the bickering and root like heck for our team to win! That's what I am going to do.[/quote]

This is pretty much what I've been saying for a while. This is not me making excuses for poor recruiting or our coach, but just being realistic.

I'd also add to the list that we don't even have an AD, and that our administration has caused us to act like a mom and pop shop for decades now.
 
Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296060][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?[/quote]

They have run circles around us recruiting the last few years. The last real major national recruit we got was Ponds if I remember correctly.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296063][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296060][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?[/quote]

They have run circles around us recruiting the last few years. The last real major national recruit we got was Ponds if I remember correctly.[/quote]

Dude, c'mon - you undermine all of your other arguments when you just make stuff up, or don't look things up.

They have 3 freshmen, all 3 star recruits. They currently have 1 commit for 2019, a 4-star guy. They had another 4 star guy commit for 2019, but then he decommitted. They had another guy decommit last year who will be a freshman at UCLA. In no way, shape or form is this running circles around anybody.
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296066][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296063][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296060][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?[/quote]

They have run circles around us recruiting the last few years. The last real major national recruit we got was Ponds if I remember correctly.[/quote]

Dude, c'mon - you undermine all of your other arguments when you just make stuff up, or don't look things up.

They have 3 freshmen, all 3 star recruits. They currently have 1 commit for 2019, a 4-star guy. They had another 4 star guy commit for 2019, but then he decommitted. They had another guy decommit last year who will be a freshman at UCLA. In no way, shape or form is this running circles around anybody.[/quote]

Oops, didn't realize the other one decommitted. Ok so maybe not running circles, but look at 2019...everyone is getting 4 stars except us. Where are ours? DePaul is terrible and they have one.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296072][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296066][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296063][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296060][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?[/quote]

They have run circles around us recruiting the last few years. The last real major national recruit we got was Ponds if I remember correctly.[/quote]

Dude, c'mon - you undermine all of your other arguments when you just make stuff up, or don't look things up.

They have 3 freshmen, all 3 star recruits. They currently have 1 commit for 2019, a 4-star guy. They had another 4 star guy commit for 2019, but then he decommitted. They had another guy decommit last year who will be a freshman at UCLA. In no way, shape or form is this running circles around anybody.[/quote]

Oops, didn't realize the other one decommitted. Ok so maybe not running circles, but look at 2019...everyone is getting 4 stars except us. Where are ours? DePaul is terrible and they have one.[/quote]

Dude just relax!!! The laziest coaching staff in the Big East somehow has one of the most talented rosters this year. Nobody is saying everything is all good, but the coaches have got talent here and that's what matters.
 
[quote="Room112" post=296073][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296072][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296066][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296063][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296060][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?[/quote]

They have run circles around us recruiting the last few years. The last real major national recruit we got was Ponds if I remember correctly.[/quote]

Dude, c'mon - you undermine all of your other arguments when you just make stuff up, or don't look things up.

They have 3 freshmen, all 3 star recruits. They currently have 1 commit for 2019, a 4-star guy. They had another 4 star guy commit for 2019, but then he decommitted. They had another guy decommit last year who will be a freshman at UCLA. In no way, shape or form is this running circles around anybody.[/quote]

Oops, didn't realize the other one decommitted. Ok so maybe not running circles, but look at 2019...everyone is getting 4 stars except us. Where are ours? DePaul is terrible and they have one.[/quote]

Dude just relax!!! The laziest coaching staff in the Big East somehow has one of the most talented rosters this year. Nobody is saying everything is all good, but the coaches have got talent here and that's what matters.[/quote]

Did my post sound panicked in any way? I'm very relaxed, just stating facts. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program and it's not acceptable to be in this predicament when virtually every other Big East team has at least one 4 star kid coming in. We totally lucked out with Heron who fell onto our laps...Simon and Clark are transfers. You cannot rely on transfers. It's just that simple. You need consistent talent coming in the form of HS recruits to be a sustained winner. Otherwise you might be good once a decade.
 
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