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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295950]I really wonder what Mullin is thinking about recruiting since he doubled down on the failed approach of 1 recruiter. Other coaches must be laughing as they steal our local recruits. Does anyone else know a college hoops coach who knowingly made such stupid decisions (or non-decisions)? Again, love Mully but he makes zero sense.[/quote]

Your stuff is laughable. You know what many Italians say about Mussolini? Something like this, "He did an awful lots of good for Italy, unified the country, common language, schools, healthcare. Then he happened to get mixed up with that Hitler guy." Your continual name calling and bashing of Mullin, only to follow it with "I love Mully" is a load of shit. Face it, and say what you feel, "He's an idiot and based on your beliefs you are confident he is going to fail." Honesty sounds a lot better than 4 paragraphs of bashing followed by one sentence of I am rooting like hell for the team to win and like our chances.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295960][quote="Mike Zaun" post=295950]I really wonder what Mullin is thinking about recruiting since he doubled down on the failed approach of 1 recruiter. Other coaches must be laughing as they steal our local recruits. Does anyone else know a college hoops coach who knowingly made such stupid decisions (or non-decisions)? Again, love Mully but he makes zero sense.[/quote]

Your stuff is laughable. You know what many Italians say about Mussolini? Something like this, "He did an awful lots of good for Italy, unified the country, common language, schools, healthcare. Then he happened to get mixed up with that Hitler guy." Your continual name calling and bashing of Mullin, only to follow it with "I love Mully" is a load of shit. Face it, and say what you feel, "He's an idiot and based on your beliefs you are confident he is going to fail." Honesty sounds a lot better than 4 paragraphs of bashing followed by one sentence of I am rooting like hell for the team to win and like our chances.[/quote]

I was literally going to post the exact same thing after reading his last post. It's a chicken shit approach. Either way you can come back and say you were right. If Mullin fails it's "I told ya so", if he succeeds it's "I told you I loved Mully, just wanted him to be successful. Did I tell you how much I love Mully"?
 
[quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=295953](Gulp) I know they’re working hard. Well, Matt and Greg. Would focus more on the team on the court this year than any given recruit. Enjoy the season. https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5 t=_self]https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5[/url]— Andrew Slater (@Andrew__Slater) https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1044405265049825280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]September 25, 2018[/url]
[/quote] I don’t think Mike Zaun quote is out of line . When I read Matt and Gregg are working hard, it implies our coach and AC aren’t. Slater’s words, not mine , nor MZ s. I think it is fair to say many posters love SJBB , but are disappointed w the perceived effort of our top 2 coaches.
 
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=295968][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=295953](Gulp) I know they’re working hard. Well, Matt and Greg. Would focus more on the team on the court this year than any given recruit. Enjoy the season. https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5 t=_self]https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5[/url]— Andrew Slater (@Andrew__Slater) https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1044405265049825280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]September 25, 2018[/url]
[/quote] I don’t think Mike Zaun quote is out of line . When I read Matt and Gregg are working hard, it implies our coach and AC aren’t. Slater’s words, not mine , nor MZ s. I think it is fair to say many posters love SJBB , but are disappointed w the perceived effort of our top 2 coaches.[/quote]

No Richard, there are a few people around here, and that idiot Ron who is new but "likes" every negative piece of shit that a core group of malcontents post, who can only respond to posts so long as they get the same horseshit cheap shot in that this staff doesn't work hard enough, or hardly words at all. It's idiotic crap, and not based on a single factual first hand thing the author knows. There is actually one or two guys here who claim to know first hand what Mullin's schedule is and what he is doing at any hour of the day, which is about as bat shit crazy as can be, considering those very same people appear to have no life whatsoever since they post here all day every day. I actually have a job, but have gotten in 1/3rd working days even on vacation in Europe, Florida, or anywhere I actually am including evenings, weekends and holidays. You tell me you know that Mullin doesn't takes calls, answer emails, send texts, interacts with recruits, no matter where he is, or even purport to know where he is, and I will tell you, you are all totally full of shit.

Unrestrained banter? Yes. I apologize, I really love you all and want you all to succeed and am rooting hard for that.
 
I don’t think Mike Zaun quote is out of line . When I read Matt and Gregg are working hard, it implies our coach and AC aren’t. Slater’s words, not mine , nor MZ s. I think it is fair to say many posters love SJBB , but are disappointed w the perceived effort of our top 2 coaches.[/quote]

Couldn't agree more - seems like Zaun is the easy target for some people, when tons of folks on here have similar views. I like Coach Mullin, but it also seems to me that he is not putting out full effort. Now I'm just some schmuck behind a computer screen, but our local beat writer and now national writers have made it clear that we are not getting full effort from our top guys. What else am I to believe based on that? Am I allowed to question that and have a problem with it, while still being very excited for the team we have this year and rooting like hell for them? Or do I need to turn in my fan card?
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295970][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=295968][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=295953](Gulp) I know they’re working hard. Well, Matt and Greg. Would focus more on the team on the court this year than any given recruit. Enjoy the season. https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5 t=_self]https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5[/url]— Andrew Slater (@Andrew__Slater) https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1044405265049825280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]September 25, 2018[/url]
[/quote] I don’t think Mike Zaun quote is out of line . When I read Matt and Gregg are working hard, it implies our coach and AC aren’t. Slater’s words, not mine , nor MZ s. I think it is fair to say many posters love SJBB , but are disappointed w the perceived effort of our top 2 coaches.[/quote]

No Richard, there are a few people around here, and that idiot Ron who is new but "likes" every negative piece of shit that a core group of malcontents post, who can only respond to posts so long as they get the same horseshit cheap shot in that this staff doesn't work hard enough, or hardly words at all. It's idiotic crap, and not based on a single factual first hand thing the author knows. There is actually one or two guys here who claim to know first hand what Mullin's schedule is and what he is doing at any hour of the day, which is about as bat shit crazy as can be, considering those very same people appear to have no life whatsoever since they post here all day every day. I actually have a job, but have gotten in 1/3rd working days even on vacation in Europe, Florida, or anywhere I actually am including evenings, weekends and holidays. You tell me you know that Mullin doesn't takes calls, answer emails, send texts, interacts with recruits, no matter where he is, or even purport to know where he is, and I will tell you, you are all totally full of shit.

Unrestrained banter? Yes. I apologize, I really love you all and want you all to succeed and am rooting hard for that.[/quote]

Again, why do we need first hand knowledge? That's what reporters are for, and this is what they are saying. We have to actually witness them not doing anything?
 
As someone who was born after Mullin's SJU playing career (a rarity for this site? haha), I don't have the same sense of attachment to Mullin as most here. In fact, I did not even know who he was before I attended SJU (I don't care for the NBA).

From my POV, effort is the most important thing. Obviously the effort in terms of recruiting is severely lacking. Also he made some dumb decisions like the OOC schedule and has an inability to control his staff.

All that said, he also has some positives. He seems to be well respected by the team and we don't have as much drama as we usually do. That is also extremely important. We are going into year 4 and have a REALLY good roster.

Still, given the negatives I won't feel bad for him if he fails. Nothing in life is guaranteed, and just because you're a HOFer doesn't mean you get ANY pass in terms of recruiting. Even worse, he doesn't learn from his mistakes and is set in his ways. He won't change even with success.

I too will be rooting very hard for him and the team this year. Not because I care about what some people on a message board think about me, but simply because I want to win rather than lose. It's that simple.
 
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Zach B
St. John’s saw priority recruit Aidan Igiehon yesterday, as @jakeweingarten reported. Louisville in today. #sjubb
 
[quote="Adam" post=295975]Obviously the effort in terms of recruiting is severely lacking. Also he made some dumb decisions like the OOC schedule and has an inability to control his staff.

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So, how do you KNOW the effort in recruiting is lacking?

Beyond the Slice debacle, which as far as I can see, was caused by a war that Slice initiated, where was there an inability to control his staff? I believe short of resolving the Slice situation which would have been preferable if possible, it was a strong management move to fire him, even though he was a long time friend and there was an enormous financial commitment due to an idiotic contract. Cancer spreads, and it was apparent Slice was a cancer.

Where else do you see an inability to control his staff?
 
Beast, if Mike is an extreme detractor, you might be considered an extreme supporter. As someone else recently posted, it is not necessary to have inside information or a personal relationship with the staff to have a decent idea of what's happening.

I know you speak to the staff and/or people who are close. That said, it's hard to believe that you have some inside information that debunks the perception of Mitch's role, the one-man recruiting model, or Chris' absence in Ireland and at Dribble for a Cure.

You may not like Mike's approach, but his commentary is valid.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=295982]Beast, if Mike is an extreme detractor, you might be considered an extreme supporter. As someone else recently posted, it is not necessary to have inside information or a personal relationship with the staff to have a decent idea of what's happening.

I know you speak to the staff and/or people who are close. That said, it's hard to believe that you have some inside information that debunks the perception of Mitch's role, the one-man recruiting model, or Chris' absence in Ireland and at Dribble for a Cure.

You may not like Mike's approach, but his commentary is valid.[/quote]

First off: I have questioned the role of Mitch? I'm not sure it's clear to anyone what he does. I wouldn't ask that question

Second: I am an advocate of a second recruiter, but also questioned publicly how successful staffs are comprised, if there are 2 primary recruiters on every staff. No one responded here, and I don't care enough about it to do research. I can only imagine that off the top of their heads, our fans don't know that answer, but presume that we need a 2nd ft recruiter because it makes sense to us.

Third: Dribble for the cure is a charity event. With the season about to begin,(practices next week), I am jsut going to guess that Chris was already committed to Durant, or felt it more important, and wanted to get home to see his family in CA one more time before the practics begin and season is in full swing. I don't take issue with it. In terms of an Ireland trip I think that there may be reasons you are unaware of.

I bitch when there is substantiated reason to bitch. I don't make claims in the affirmative as if they are fact when I simply don't know. I haven't refuted that Chris is lazy by saying I KNOW he works hard. I am refuting that in this era of a mobile device that keeps you connected at all times, and the fact that I don't track MUllin's activities that I could call him hard working. It would be as idiotic as those who call him lazy without knowing.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295980][quote="Adam" post=295975]Obviously the effort in terms of recruiting is severely lacking. Also he made some dumb decisions like the OOC schedule and has an inability to control his staff.

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So, how do you KNOW the effort in recruiting is lacking?

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How do you know it isn't? I'll admit I have no idea who you are, so all I can do is ask you how you know more than our primary beat writer for a major NY paper, as well as one of the most highly respect national recruiting writers in the country, both of whom have now clearly implied that they do not believe the senior members of our staff are putting in max effort on the recruiting front. If you'll just explain why I should not believe them, and instead believe you, I'll gladly never suggest the staff is not working hard again.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=295976]Zach B
St. John’s saw priority recruit Aidan Igiehon yesterday, as @jakeweingarten reported. Louisville in today. #sjubb[/quote]

As I said earlier need to go all out at this point for Prescious, Aidan and Kofi. Very little downside at this point to investing a lot of energy on these 3 even if they fail to land any of the 3.
 
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[quote="Beast of the East" post=295960][quote="Mike Zaun" post=295950]I really wonder what Mullin is thinking about recruiting since he doubled down on the failed approach of 1 recruiter. Other coaches must be laughing as they steal our local recruits. Does anyone else know a college hoops coach who knowingly made such stupid decisions (or non-decisions)? Again, love Mully but he makes zero sense.[/quote]

Your stuff is laughable. You know what many Italians say about Mussolini? Something like this, "He did an awful lots of good for Italy, unified the country, common language, schools, healthcare. Then he happened to get mixed up with that Hitler guy." Your continual name calling and bashing of Mullin, only to follow it with "I love Mully" is a load of shit. Face it, and say what you feel, "He's an idiot and based on your beliefs you are confident he is going to fail." Honesty sounds a lot better than 4 paragraphs of bashing followed by one sentence of I am rooting like hell for the team to win and like our chances.[/quote]

Funny, Beast. When asked about Mussolini, my beloved Nonna would say (in broken English): “Well, at least he made the trains run on time!”
We’ve got to focus on the season. It’s looking like it may be very exciting and successful, and hope that success snares us Kofi, amd 1-2 other Top kids entranced by what winning in NYC looks like.
 
Simply put, some have created an impossible standard (we need to hear Mullin admit in a press conference that he doesn't really care or is really stubborn with staff composition) where Mullin could ever be at fault for our recruiting woes. These people know it's not possible, therefore they think their point sticks. How many reporters do you need to scream it from the rooftops before you start believing that maybe he is a mortal after all and though he was a HOF player, that he does not put max effort into recruiting? Again, it's the same as covering your ears while screaming "I can't hear you right now LALALALALA!" when you hear something you don't like, truth be damned. We are all adults here...if reporters and insiders are all saying the same thing, it's most likely true. None of us like it, but it's the reality.

My point has always been that of course I hope he can turn us around and turn into a great coach and write our Disney movie, however based on the evidence (keyword), he appears to lack effort if not interest in the job, and has by objective standards been a total failure which is why he is on all the national lists for coaching hotseats. You can kick and scream and deny what is in front of you, but it doesn't make you right. The truth is our recruiting is pathetic and it's because of the lack of effort, composition of staff (we are a 4 cylinder car running on 3 cylinders), and losing culture. I wanted Lavin out and still think we made the right choice, but even in his worst year recruiting he was reeling in 4 star kids. I love David Wright and Jose Reyes, but if they ever coached the Mets and made clearly terrible decisions, I would be frustrated with them as well. For those of you who hold their ears and yell "LALALALA" whenever more evidence arises that Mullin is in over his head and disinterested, do me a favor. Go read articles from beyond the echochamber. This is nothing personal with Mullin, it's a results oriented business and he is just not getting any at this point. I'm not hoping for failure, I'm all in on rooting for them to make the tourney this year and extending him if so. I would expect recruiting to pick up as a result and it would also be smart for him to hire another recruiter to get us back to running on all cylinders.
 
[quote="Beast of the East" post=295970][quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=295968][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=295953](Gulp) I know they’re working hard. Well, Matt and Greg. Would focus more on the team on the court this year than any given recruit. Enjoy the season. https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5 t=_self]https://t.co/NiVGSS1IG5[/url]— Andrew Slater (@Andrew__Slater) https://twitter.com/Andrew__Slater/status/1044405265049825280?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw t=_self]September 25, 2018[/url]
[/quote] I don’t think Mike Zaun quote is out of line . When I read Matt and Gregg are working hard, it implies our coach and AC aren’t. Slater’s words, not mine , nor MZ s. I think it is fair to say many posters love SJBB , but are disappointed w the perceived effort of our top 2 coaches.[/quote]

No Richard, there are a few people around here, and that idiot Ron who is new but "likes" every negative piece of shit that a core group of malcontents post, who can only respond to posts so long as they get the same horseshit cheap shot in that this staff doesn't work hard enough, or hardly words at all. It's idiotic crap, and not based on a single factual first hand thing the author knows. There is actually one or two guys here who claim to know first hand what Mullin's schedule is and what he is doing at any hour of the day, which is about as bat shit crazy as can be, considering those very same people appear to have no life whatsoever since they post here all day every day. I actually have a job, but have gotten in 1/3rd working days even on vacation in Europe, Florida, or anywhere I actually am including evenings, weekends and holidays. You tell me you know that Mullin doesn't takes calls, answer emails, send texts, interacts with recruits, no matter where he is, or even purport to know where he is, and I will tell you, you are all totally full of shit.

Unrestrained banter? Yes. I apologize, I really love you all and want you all to succeed and am rooting hard for that.[/quote] I never said I KNOW what CM does exactly. I used the word perceived. I think it would be a fair statement to say I know what Mitch doesn’t do. IMO, Hurley outworks CM.
 
There seems to be a perception of many that simply being overly optimistic and ignoring any negative press means that all is peachy in Queens and they are correct automatically. You can live in an echochamber, or you can read what many reporters are saying and implying (by the way the reporters implying the lack of effort are huge Mullin supporters): Mullin is being outworked recruiting period. No one is celebrating this Beast, we want him to knock down the HS gym doors...you know like he promised in his press conference accepting the job.

Example:

Student A: "Hey look Dad! I got a 100 on my test!"

Dad: "Uh, son...it says 54 here, not 100. You have a lot of work to do and need to put in more effort studying"

Student A: "I HATE YOU! STOP BEING NEGATIVE! It's a 100 damnit! Go root for some other student!"
 
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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295994]There seems to be a perception of many that simply being overly optimistic and ignoring any negative press means that all is peachy in Queens and they are correct automatically. You can live in an echochamber, or you can read what many reporters are saying and implying (by the way the reporters implying the lack of effort are huge Mullin supporters): Mullin is being outworked recruiting period. No one is celebrating this Beast, we want him to knock down the HS gym doors...you know like he promised in his press conference accepting the job.

Example:

Student A: "Hey look Dad! I got a 100 on my test!"

Dad: "Uh, son...it says 54 here, not 100. You have a lot of work to do and need to put in more effort studying"

Student A: "I HATE YOU! STOP BEING NEGATIVE! It's a 100 damnit! Go root for some other student!"[/quote]

Mike: I want to be in your corner here as you have presumably seen, but in the interest of being open to all views, it becomes harder when you reply over and over with the subtlety of a sledgehammer. Perhaps sit a few plays out and let others advocate for a while on your behalf? Just a thought ;)
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=295994]There seems to be a perception of many that simply being overly optimistic and ignoring any negative press means that all is peachy in Queens and they are correct automatically. You can live in an echochamber, or you can read what many reporters are saying and implying (by the way the reporters implying the lack of effort are huge Mullin supporters): Mullin is being outworked recruiting period. No one is celebrating this Beast, we want him to knock down the HS gym doors...you know like he promised in his press conference accepting the job.

Example:

Student A: "Hey look Dad! I got a 100 on my test!"

Dad: "Uh, son...it says 54 here, not 100. You have a lot of work to do and need to put in more effort studying"

Student A: "I HATE YOU! STOP BEING NEGATIVE! It's a 100 damnit! Go root for some other student!"[/quote]
Huh?
 
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