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[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296077][quote="Room112" post=296073][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296072][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296066][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296063][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296060][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?[/quote]

They have run circles around us recruiting the last few years. The last real major national recruit we got was Ponds if I remember correctly.[/quote]

Dude, c'mon - you undermine all of your other arguments when you just make stuff up, or don't look things up.

They have 3 freshmen, all 3 star recruits. They currently have 1 commit for 2019, a 4-star guy. They had another 4 star guy commit for 2019, but then he decommitted. They had another guy decommit last year who will be a freshman at UCLA. In no way, shape or form is this running circles around anybody.[/quote]

Oops, didn't realize the other one decommitted. Ok so maybe not running circles, but look at 2019...everyone is getting 4 stars except us. Where are ours? DePaul is terrible and they have one.[/quote]

Dude just relax!!! The laziest coaching staff in the Big East somehow has one of the most talented rosters this year. Nobody is saying everything is all good, but the coaches have got talent here and that's what matters.[/quote]

Did my post sound panicked in any way? I'm very relaxed, just stating facts. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program and it's not acceptable to be in this predicament when virtually every other Big East team has at least one 4 star kid coming in. We totally lucked out with Heron who fell onto our laps...Simon and Clark are transfers. You cannot rely on transfers. It's just that simple. You need consistent talent coming in the form of HS recruits to be a sustained winner. Otherwise you might be good once a decade.[/quote]

Relax! We are going to land both Kofi and Precious.
I'm feeling confident because I heard it from anonymous source whose brother's best friend's sister heard from someone who knows Kofi personally.
 
[quote="usguard" post=296114]How reliable do you put this source[/quote] about the same as this guy

 
[quote="Room112" post=296073][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296072][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296066][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296063][quote="Windy City Johnny Fan" post=296060][quote="Mike Zaun" post=296059]Of course there could be other factors like losing way too much...but then explain DePaul having no problems at all recruiting. PC is a tiny little school with what 3,000 students? They have not even started winning until very recently and they recruited well. Lavin proved you can recruit well here, so is it really facilities? Some of these things will clearly hurt us, but not totally disqualify us.

At the end of the day no one can dispute we are at a clear disadvantage recruiting and a lot of it is the result of having 1 guy instead of 2 or 3 recruiting. We are already hamstrung to begin with and even with a full staff it would be tough. Just let that sink in. Beast, other coaches make home visits on the regular especially for major recruits like Aidan. Mack did it, he didn't. Proof. Zach loved the Mullin hire, but if you follow him at all on Twitter, he is constantly implying he lacks effort recruiting. Now we see the guy from the recruiting site on Twitter echoing the same. Insiders on here echo the same. This has been corroborated by many people. You need to read between the lines with these guys...it's clear as day. How much time does Mullin spend on the west coast along with MR? You really think he's dedicated in the face of all the other evidence? No need to insult anyone, why can't we just have a normal back and forth? Notice it's only one faction that starts cursing and insulting and it's not ours.[/quote]

DePaul hasn't had problems recruiting? In what alternate universe?[/quote]

They have run circles around us recruiting the last few years. The last real major national recruit we got was Ponds if I remember correctly.[/quote]

Dude, c'mon - you undermine all of your other arguments when you just make stuff up, or don't look things up.

They have 3 freshmen, all 3 star recruits. They currently have 1 commit for 2019, a 4-star guy. They had another 4 star guy commit for 2019, but then he decommitted. They had another guy decommit last year who will be a freshman at UCLA. In no way, shape or form is this running circles around anybody.[/quote]

Oops, didn't realize the other one decommitted. Ok so maybe not running circles, but look at 2019...everyone is getting 4 stars except us. Where are ours? DePaul is terrible and they have one.[/quote]

Dude just relax!!! The laziest coaching staff in the Big East somehow has one of the most talented rosters this year. Nobody is saying everything is all good, but the coaches have got talent here and that's what matters.[/quote]

"but the coaches have got talent here and that's what matters."

Nope!!!!!. You're very wrong.
The only thing that matters is WINNING with that talent.
We all agree we have the talent, now gotta win with the talent.
 
[quote="usguard" post=296114]How reliable do you put this source[/quote]

I can't seem to contact them anymore since they went into the witness protection program but my cousin's friend Vito who was good friends with Benny "loose lips" Caponata who knew the sister of the source thinks Kimani Young carries a big suitcase these days to impress recruits with all of coach Hurley's press clippings. He then takes out a tiny folded piece of paper and compares Mullin's record to Hurley's suitcase full of press clippings and ends it all by saying to our recruits "just go talk to Kassoum". Word is our recruits can't be fooled and know they will get real professional basketball development from our two hall of fame coaches who have been in contact with them almost monthly.
 
Mike zaun wrote
Did my post sound panicked in any way? I'm very relaxed, just stating facts. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program and it's not acceptable to be in this predicament when virtually every other Big East team has at least one 4 star kid coming in. We totally lucked out with Heron who fell onto our laps...Simon and Clark are transfers. You cannot rely on transfers. It's just that simple. You need consistent talent coming in the form of HS recruits to be a sustained winner. Otherwise you might be good once a decade.[/quote]


Actually in this day and age you can rely on transfers. So many to choose from. Of course a few directly from high school would relax a few on here
 
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[quote="Eric" post=296152]Mike zaun wrote
Did my post sound panicked in any way? I'm very relaxed, just stating facts. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program and it's not acceptable to be in this predicament when virtually every other Big East team has at least one 4 star kid coming in. We totally lucked out with Heron who fell onto our laps...Simon and Clark are transfers. You cannot rely on transfers. It's just that simple. You need consistent talent coming in the form of HS recruits to be a sustained winner. Otherwise you might be good once a decade.[/quote]


Actually in this day and age you can rely on transfers. So many to choose from. Of course a few directly from high school would relax a few on here[/quote]

Don't think there are too many examples...do you know any successful program at our level that relies completely on transfers? Maybe there are and I just don't know about them. For now, transfers are our best bet to get the big time players, but so far we have just lucked out that they came to us. What if Clark, Simon, and Heron denied us? That's my point. We won't always hit on our transfer targets either so where would we be if we didn't?
 
Mike Zaun wrote: Don't think there are too many examples...do you know any successful program at our level that relies completely on transfers? Maybe there are and I just don't know about them. For now, transfers are our best bet to get the big time players, but so far we have just lucked out that they came to us. What if Clark, Simon, and Heron denied us? That's my point. We won't always hit on our transfer targets either so where would we be if we didn't?

Mike, this is a bit of a circular argument. Where would we be if we didn't hit on our transfer targets? The same place other schools would be if they didn't hit on their HS targets - up the creek. But the fact is we have hit on not just Simon, Clark & Heron, but Dixon & Keita who by all accounts will be very solid contributors to our success as well (plus Eli Wright who may help quite a bit in 2019). The transfer strategy appears to be working well for us as a temporary one until we establish ourselves as a winning program which should start this year. Let's enjoy the upcoming season. We all are due for a good season.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296155][quote="Eric" post=296152]Mike zaun wrote
Did my post sound panicked in any way? I'm very relaxed, just stating facts. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program and it's not acceptable to be in this predicament when virtually every other Big East team has at least one 4 star kid coming in. We totally lucked out with Heron who fell onto our laps...Simon and Clark are transfers. You cannot rely on transfers. It's just that simple. You need consistent talent coming in the form of HS recruits to be a sustained winner. Otherwise you might be good once a decade.[/quote]


Actually in this day and age you can rely on transfers. So many to choose from. Of course a few directly from high school would relax a few on here[/quote]

Don't think there are too many examples...do you know any successful program at our level that relies completely on transfers? Maybe there are and I just don't know about them. For now, transfers are our best bet to get the big time players, but so far we have just lucked out that they came to us. What if Clark, Simon, and Heron denied us? That's my point. We won't always hit on our transfer targets either so where would we be if we didn't?[/quote]

We lucked out that they came to us? Ok buddy.
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=296155][quote="Eric" post=296152]Mike zaun wrote
Did my post sound panicked in any way? I'm very relaxed, just stating facts. Recruiting is the lifeblood of a program and it's not acceptable to be in this predicament when virtually every other Big East team has at least one 4 star kid coming in. We totally lucked out with Heron who fell onto our laps...Simon and Clark are transfers. You cannot rely on transfers. It's just that simple. You need consistent talent coming in the form of HS recruits to be a sustained winner. Otherwise you might be good once a decade.[/quote]


Actually in this day and age you can rely on transfers. So many to choose from. Of course a few directly from high school would relax a few on here[/quote]

Don't think there are too many examples...do you know any successful program at our level that relies completely on transfers? Maybe there are and I just don't know about them. For now, transfers are our best bet to get the big time players, but so far we have just lucked out that they came to us. What if Clark, Simon, and Heron denied us? That's my point. We won't always hit on our transfer targets either so where would we be if we didn't?[/quote]

Why do you say lucked out? Maybe we have learned to play the transfer game well as others schools have. Seems to me that maybe our staff sees potential in these guys and helps develop them more. Owens went from squat to a decent player who then demanded more. Simon and clark didn't come to us with great numbers and stats and seemed to thrive under our staff. And they wanted to play for Mullin simon and clark. That's not lucking out. Again. So many transfer now make playing the transfer game much more easy if needed. And we do until more higher level high schoolers choose us.
Everything doesn't always have to be twisted to be a negative does it?
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=296159]Mike Zaun wrote: Don't think there are too many examples...do you know any successful program at our level that relies completely on transfers? Maybe there are and I just don't know about them. For now, transfers are our best bet to get the big time players, but so far we have just lucked out that they came to us. What if Clark, Simon, and Heron denied us? That's my point. We won't always hit on our transfer targets either so where would we be if we didn't?

Mike, this is a bit of a circular argument. Where would we be if we didn't hit on our transfer targets? The same place other schools would be if they didn't hit on their HS targets - up the creek. But the fact is we have hit on not just Simon, Clark & Heron, but Dixon & Keita who by all accounts will be very solid contributors to our success as well (plus Eli Wright who may help quite a bit in 2019). The transfer strategy appears to be working well for us as a temporary one until we establish ourselves as a winning program which should start this year. Let's enjoy the upcoming season. We all are due for a good season.[/quote]
Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, not two for Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.
 
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Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.
 
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[quote="IDRAFT" post=296163]Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.[/quote]
I strongly expect Heron to split if he has solid season & projects well w NBA guys. If ineligible, not a lock he sticks around either, but who knows.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=296166][quote="IDRAFT" post=296163]Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.[/quote]
I strongly expect Heron to split if he has solid season & projects well w NBA guys. If ineligible, not a lock he sticks around either, but who knows.[/quote] The thought of having Heron on our roster and not playing a game for us at all is not a pleasant one. Paultz, what is status of Dawes. I thought you said not coming,But he is visiting.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=296170][quote="Paultzman" post=296166][quote="IDRAFT" post=296163]Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.[/quote]
I strongly expect Heron to split if he has solid season & projects well w NBA guys. If ineligible, not a lock he sticks around either, but who knows.[/quote] The thought of having Heron on our roster and not playing a game for us at all is not a pleasant one. Paultz, what is status of Dawes. I thought you said not coming,But he is visiting.[/quote]
Fellow poster tells me SJU staff is making a push. I felt SH was in better position, but recruiting is fluid. Landing him would reduce Advil sales here & be a nice lift. As noted often, we don’t need much this year. Land a good guard like Dawes, convince Kofi to stay local (big challenge) & getting a ready to play transfer or decommit would be fine by me.

In the camp btw of Heron being cleared fwiw. Just think if not, he will want to earn $$.
 
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[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=296170][quote="Paultzman" post=296166][quote="IDRAFT" post=296163]Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.[/quote]
I strongly expect Heron to split if he has solid season & projects well w NBA guys. If ineligible, not a lock he sticks around either, but who knows.[/quote] The thought of having Heron on our roster and not playing a game for us at all is not a pleasant one. Paultz, what is status of Dawes. I thought you said not coming,But he is visiting.[/quote]


If Heron is not eligible it is possible he would venture out to the NBA next year instead of playing 2019-2020 season with the Redmen. Hopefully the NCAA approves his request.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=296166][quote="IDRAFT" post=296163]Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.[/quote]
I strongly expect Heron to split if he has solid season & projects well w NBA guys. If ineligible, not a lock he sticks around either, but who knows.[/quote]

Best case scenario believe it or not, would be Heron leaving to become a first round draft pick after impressive NBA workouts, joining Ponds in the first round too. Yes, the roster would take a hit, but big plus for recruiting efforts. Should Ponds have great tryouts agains and stay in draft, but Heron doesn't, Heron will be more likely to trust that Mullin, GSJ, and Mitch helped get Ponds from very good player to NBA caliber by working on the defieincies noted by scouts, and thus stick around for one more year.

Time to take the balls out, guys. It's going to be the best season here in years.
 
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[quote="NCJohnnie" post=296159]Mike Zaun wrote: Don't think there are too many examples...do you know any successful program at our level that relies completely on transfers? Maybe there are and I just don't know about them. For now, transfers are our best bet to get the big time players, but so far we have just lucked out that they came to us. What if Clark, Simon, and Heron denied us? That's my point. We won't always hit on our transfer targets either so where would we be if we didn't?

Mike, this is a bit of a circular argument. Where would we be if we didn't hit on our transfer targets? The same place other schools would be if they didn't hit on their HS targets - up the creek. But the fact is we have hit on not just Simon, Clark & Heron, but Dixon & Keita who by all accounts will be very solid contributors to our success as well (plus Eli Wright who may help quite a bit in 2019). The transfer strategy appears to be working well for us as a temporary one until we establish ourselves as a winning program which should start this year. Let's enjoy the upcoming season. We all are due for a good season.[/quote]

Don't forget LJ to NCJ
 
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