Official Visits

[quote="Beast of the East" post=296196][quote="Paultzman" post=296166][quote="IDRAFT" post=296163]Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.[/quote]
I strongly expect Heron to split if he has solid season & projects well w NBA guys. If ineligible, not a lock he sticks around either, but who knows.[/quote]

Best case scenario believe it or not, would be Heron leaving to become a first round draft pick after impressive NBA workouts, joining Ponds in the first round too. Yes, the roster would take a hit, but big plus for recruiting efforts. Should Ponds have great tryouts agains and stay in draft, but Heron doesn't, Heron will be more likely to trust that Mullin, GSJ, and Mitch helped get Ponds from very good player to NBA caliber by working on the defieincies noted by scouts, and thus stick around for one more year.

Time to take the balls out, guys. It's going to be the best season here in years.[/quote] I disagree. Best case scenario for us would be having 2 very nice seasons w Heron eligible this year ,but leaving next year as a first rounder. Hence we will have back to back classes producing first rounders.
 
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[quote="Paultzman" post=296166][quote="IDRAFT" post=296163]Paultzman wrote:Good post. Interestingly, despite his unimpressive stats at MSU for two years, Matt apparently was extremely high on Wright becoming a very good BE player. Easy to say that is “coach speak” but staff said same about Simon, who also had similar stats at Zona, although for one year, though not two as Wright. I doubt he will have same impact as Simon, but trust staff’s judgment that he’s a keeper.

Correct. And although the opinion here is that Heron is a sure fire goner at the end of the year that is yet to be seen. He might not even be eligible until 2019. So is it really that strange that high school guards interest started fading in SJU? Don't forget that Williams, Simon, Dixon, and Trimble are all scheduled to also be on the team next year.

There are three guys we are still recruiting who we could really use and who would contribute immediately. If (or when depending on your POV) they all commit elsewhere that will be painful.[/quote]
I strongly expect Heron to split if he has solid season & projects well w NBA guys. If ineligible, not a lock he sticks around either, but who knows.[/quote]

I agree, but also could see how a high school senior looking to commit right now might not want to deal with finding out after his commitment.
 
Good news, since Dawes just came off an official at Providence, and is about to visit Clemson this coming weekend.
Let’s hope.
 
If Heron plays in 2018-19 and is a key part of a great season, deep into the Dance, I think odds are very high he opts for NBA and may be a 1st Rounder with Ponds.
I agree with Beast that would be great for both kids and also for St. John’s’ reputation.
I’d hope Simon would stay for 2019-20, and guessing we’d get some top kids to commit in the Spring, as word gets out both Ponds and Heron loom as 1st rounders.
 
Still alive with Dawes, Kofi, Precious & Aidan. Dawes and Aidan look like early commits.

New AD with chops, Heron on the way in next week or so. Could a trifecta be there with any of these guys? You never know. :)
 
Thought Dawes was "not happening" just three days ago. Fluid surely is the word.


Still alive with Dawes, Kofi, Precious & Aidan. Dawes and Aidan look like early commits.

New AD with chops, Heron on the way in next week or so. Could a trifecta be there with any of these guys? You never know. :)[/quote]
 
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“Thought Dawes was "not happening" just three days ago. Fluid surely is the word.”

Had heard that, but was wrong, often the case. :)
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=296423]“Thought Dawes was "not happening" just three days ago. Fluid surely is the word.”

Had heard that, but was wrong, often the case. :)[/quote]

Very inner-resting, because Dawes just finished an 'official' at Providence and will be at Clemson, this weekend. 247Sports gives Clemson a 50% shot; Slater just picked them.
We shall see.
Man, would it be great to get ...and...
Oh never mind, don't want to jinx anything!
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=296424][quote="Paultzman" post=296423]“Thought Dawes was "not happening" just three days ago. Fluid surely is the word.”

Had heard that, but was wrong, often the case. :)[/quote]

Very inner-resting, because Dawes just finished an 'official' at Providence and will be at Clemson, this weekend. 247Sports gives Clemson a 50% shot; Slater just picked them.
We shall see.
Man, would it be great to get ...and...
Oh never mind, don't want to jinx anything![/quote]
Slater may be right, but we should still get the Dawes visit & hope.
 
Thanks Paultz. Happy to hear we are at least still in it with these 4 guys. I know I'm being repetitive (maybe my post should be moved to the Endlessly Repetitive Chatter thread), but imho these "expert" predictions from sites like 247Sports of where recruits are headed are generally not worth the paper they are written on until the commitment is imminent; I pay much more attention to what some of our insiders here get from their sources as their info is generally more current.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=296427]Thanks Paultz. Happy to hear we are at least still in it with these 4 guys. I know I'm being repetitive (maybe my post should be moved to the Endlessly Repetitive Chatter thread), but imho these "expert" predictions from sites like 247Sports of where recruits are headed are generally not worth the paper they are written on until the commitment is imminent; I pay much more attention to what some of our insiders here get from their sources as their info is generally more current.[/quote]


Kind of depends on 'who' is the source and 'when'. Agree, since recruiting is so fluid, timing is critical, so I look at the date of the prediction.
Slater just picked Clemson yesterday for Dawes. He may be responding to 'expectations' of the upcoming official this weekend. Don't know.
But guys like Slater, Meyer, and Fisher with over 700 - 1000 predictions and accuracy rates of over 70% ain't 'chopped liver,'
We seem to be hanging in with Dawes, which surprises me, given we didn't offer the kid until July. Staff seems to be working hard on him, which i nice to see.
We shall see.
 
Chicago Days wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Thanks Paultz. Happy to hear we are at least still in it with these 4 guys. I know I'm being repetitive (maybe my post should be moved to the Endlessly Repetitive Chatter thread), but imho these "expert" predictions from sites like 247Sports of where recruits are headed are generally not worth the paper they are written on until the commitment is imminent; I pay much more attention to what some of our insiders here get from their sources as their info is generally more current.


Kind of depends on 'who' is the source and 'when'. Agree, since recruiting is so fluid, timing is critical, so I look at the date of the prediction.
Slater just picked Clemson yesterday for Dawes. He may be responding to 'expectations' of the upcoming official this weekend. Don't know.
But guys like Slater, Meyer, and Fisher with over 700 - 1000 predictions and accuracy rates of over 70% ain't 'chopped liver,'
We seem to be hanging in with Dawes, which surprises me, given we didn't offer the kid until July. Staff seems to be working hard on him, which i nice to see.
We shall see.


Yes, Chicago, but these "accuracy rates" are inflated by the fact that many of these pundits change their prediction right before the commitment is given (and word has leaked). To each his own, but I think we get more current intel on our site than on ESPN or 247Sports or the like.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=296430]Chicago Days wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Thanks Paultz. Happy to hear we are at least still in it with these 4 guys. I know I'm being repetitive (maybe my post should be moved to the Endlessly Repetitive Chatter thread), but imho these "expert" predictions from sites like 247Sports of where recruits are headed are generally not worth the paper they are written on until the commitment is imminent; I pay much more attention to what some of our insiders here get from their sources as their info is generally more current.


Kind of depends on 'who' is the source and 'when'. Agree, since recruiting is so fluid, timing is critical, so I look at the date of the prediction.
Slater just picked Clemson yesterday for Dawes. He may be responding to 'expectations' of the upcoming official this weekend. Don't know.
But guys like Slater, Meyer, and Fisher with over 700 - 1000 predictions and accuracy rates of over 70% ain't 'chopped liver,'
We seem to be hanging in with Dawes, which surprises me, given we didn't offer the kid until July. Staff seems to be working hard on him, which i nice to see.
We shall see.


Yes, Chicago, but these "accuracy rates" are inflated by the fact that many of these pundits change their prediction right before the commitment is given (and word has leaked). To each his own, but I think we get more current intel on our site than on ESPN or 247Sports or the like.[/quote]
Exactly. Frankly Slater is only guy I pay attention to because he is wired to a lot of programs, including SJU. I chat with Meyer occasionally, but he is really not on top of things that much since he runs the site. The others, as you said, jump in late in response to more connected guys. Chicago loves the crystal ball, but it is really not very valuable with the exception noted.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=296420]Still alive with Dawes, Kofi, Precious & Aidan. Dawes and Aidan look like early commits.

New AD with chops, Heron on the way in next week or so. Could a trifecta be there with any of these guys? You never know. :)[/quote]
Sure would help if we had a bona-fide big-man staffer a la Ed Pinckney. Can't help but think the Mullin-Richmond tandem is redundant.
 
[quote="NCJohnnie" post=296430]Chicago Days wrote: NCJohnnie wrote: Thanks Paultz. Happy to hear we are at least still in it with these 4 guys. I know I'm being repetitive (maybe my post should be moved to the Endlessly Repetitive Chatter thread), but imho these "expert" predictions from sites like 247Sports of where recruits are headed are generally not worth the paper they are written on until the commitment is imminent; I pay much more attention to what some of our insiders here get from their sources as their info is generally more current.


Kind of depends on 'who' is the source and 'when'. Agree, since recruiting is so fluid, timing is critical, so I look at the date of the prediction.
Slater just picked Clemson yesterday for Dawes. He may be responding to 'expectations' of the upcoming official this weekend. Don't know.
But guys like Slater, Meyer, and Fisher with over 700 - 1000 predictions and accuracy rates of over 70% ain't 'chopped liver,'
We seem to be hanging in with Dawes, which surprises me, given we didn't offer the kid until July. Staff seems to be working hard on him, which i nice to see.
We shall see.


Yes, Chicago, but these "accuracy rates" are inflated by the fact that many of these pundits change their prediction right before the commitment is given (and word has leaked). To each his own, but I think we get more current intel on our site than on ESPN or 247Sports or the like.[/quote]

Oh, our guys don't change views as new info comes in?
Slater just picked Clemson for Dawes yesterday, as his visit to SC looms.
That made me nervous, but who knows.
Great we're still in it for Dawes and the big 3.
Hoping a great season might tip it for us for guys deciding 'late'.
 
[quote="redken" post=296434][quote="Paultzman" post=296420]Still alive with Dawes, Kofi, Precious & Aidan. Dawes and Aidan look like early commits.

New AD with chops, Heron on the way in next week or so. Could a trifecta be there with any of these guys? You never know. :)[/quote]
Sure would help if we had a bona-fide big-man staffer a la Ed Pinckney. Can't help but think the Mullin-Richmond tandem is redundant.[/quote] I’ve always argued that. And agree your better off w pieces that compliment one another, not duplicate.
 
[quote="Chicago Days" post=296436]Oh, our guys don't change views as new info comes in?
Slater just picked Clemson for Dawes yesterday, as his visit to SC looms.
That made me nervous, but who knows.
Great we're still in it for Dawes and the big 3.
Hoping a great season might tip it for us for guys deciding 'late'.[/quote]

It seems like you put a bit too much credence into 247's "Crystal Ball." As, I once told someone.... Pay attention to the Crystal Ball about 12-24 hours before a commitment. Heck! With that said, they can still occasionally have it wrong.

A good season could potentialy "tip" a kid, but more times than not that type of belief is overplayed by some fans.
 
[quote="richard A Steinfeld" post=296437][quote="redken" post=296434][quote="Paultzman" post=296420]Still alive with Dawes, Kofi, Precious & Aidan. Dawes and Aidan look like early commits.

New AD with chops, Heron on the way in next week or so. Could a trifecta be there with any of these guys? You never know. :)[/quote]
Sure would help if we had a bona-fide big-man staffer a la Ed Pinckney. Can't help but think the Mullin-Richmond tandem is redundant.[/quote] I’ve always argued that. And agree your better off w pieces that compliment one another, not duplicate.[/quote]

Should bring Zendon back into the mix.
 
Matt has to feel he’s in a strong position with Dawes.

But recruiting is very fluid so who knows.
 
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[quote="redken" post=296434][quote="Paultzman" post=296420]Still alive with Dawes, Kofi, Precious & Aidan. Dawes and Aidan look like early commits.

New AD with chops, Heron on the way in next week or so. Could a trifecta be there with any of these guys? You never know. :)[/quote]
Sure would help if we had a bona-fide big-man staffer a la Ed Pinckney. Can't help but think the Mullin-Richmond tandem is redundant.[/quote] I think Mullin wanted to hire Pinckney, but the Nova faithful balked, too bad.
 
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