NBDL at best. To be good enough to make it, you have to have a "Tebow" attitude. No matter what the odds against you are and no matter what people are doing or saying, you persevere and show them different. That's a true polished professional.
Nuri Leaving
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I don't like that Nuri is leaving. I think it was the wrong move on his part because he won't see playing time like this anywhere else.
But in the long run Nuri's presence or not doesn't bother me. We need numbers this year, so from that point it hurts. But long run he wasn't going to be the all-big east player some of us thought he could've been.
What does concern me is our recruiting for the next two seasons. Because now Lav needs to essentially do what he did last season and bring in at least 4 players, we need talent AND numbers. Again.
Loses mounting up, Transfers, Decommits, Ineligibles, and Big East woes don't equate to great success on the recruiting trail...
I hope Lavs proves me wrong...
But in the long run Nuri's presence or not doesn't bother me. We need numbers this year, so from that point it hurts. But long run he wasn't going to be the all-big east player some of us thought he could've been.
What does concern me is our recruiting for the next two seasons. Because now Lav needs to essentially do what he did last season and bring in at least 4 players, we need talent AND numbers. Again.
Loses mounting up, Transfers, Decommits, Ineligibles, and Big East woes don't equate to great success on the recruiting trail...
I hope Lavs proves me wrong...
tom in salem
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Sources tell CBSSports.com that academics also played a role in Lindsey's departure. He's been inconsistent in the classroom.
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With the way Nuri played too high, I thought he'd have a spine. Guess not. Quit on two high schools and backed out of commitments to two colleges. On the brightside, our 3 pt and ft %s should rise dramatically with to's and blocked shots against falling. Phil Greene time.
After a long day with various things going on to challenge me, I perused the above posts, appreciate them, but believe this - pardon my rambling that follows:
1. let's get off the kid's back; has anyone here - who's lived long enough that is - not had a change of heart or had a loved one make a change, back away from something; made a mistake, had to deal with strong conflicting emotions etc. the kid is not a terrorist, not an evil demon, he's a kid who apparently has been through a lot more than most of us, no?
2. If I recall correctly all schools e.g. UConn, Syracuse have had their share of problems and transfers;
3. Lavin inherited a mess - we don't want to think about that anymore but the reality is that it will take time - you know he had to recruit a lot of kids in a hurry so how could we realistically expect a smooth transition - not to mention the cancer thing which seems like it will shake out thankfully;
4. Did it not take PJ at Seton Hall a long time to get that program at the top - and despite our predicament, Coach Lavin and staff should be able to go to infinity and beyond must quicker than Seton Hall because we have been there were no man (where Seton Hall) had even been etc.
5. Give it time, there is a reason for countless proverbs and cliches about patience and time - because it is an eternal truth - things happen and unfold; and things take as long as they take;
6. I am enjoying watching these young guys - and have given up worrying about wins; let's get experinece, a few new recruits and get on with it
and finally, all the best to Nuri as well; I hope his life settles down a bit; I've dealth with tens of thousands of people over these past decades and some suffer and go through a lot of invisible/emotional stuff and they don't need to be hounded or second guessed and put down; I've seen big storng men, soldiers, police, athletes fall apart when their hearts suffer, when they endure traumas;
and my response has always been take care, reach out for help, take it easy on yourself…
boy am I really getting carried away, thanks for listening
I'm not fretting about the program as it's heading in the right direction - what's that song - "give it a little more time and our love will surely grow" - are those the lyrics?
enough, enough, enough, stuff (from me)
1. let's get off the kid's back; has anyone here - who's lived long enough that is - not had a change of heart or had a loved one make a change, back away from something; made a mistake, had to deal with strong conflicting emotions etc. the kid is not a terrorist, not an evil demon, he's a kid who apparently has been through a lot more than most of us, no?
2. If I recall correctly all schools e.g. UConn, Syracuse have had their share of problems and transfers;
3. Lavin inherited a mess - we don't want to think about that anymore but the reality is that it will take time - you know he had to recruit a lot of kids in a hurry so how could we realistically expect a smooth transition - not to mention the cancer thing which seems like it will shake out thankfully;
4. Did it not take PJ at Seton Hall a long time to get that program at the top - and despite our predicament, Coach Lavin and staff should be able to go to infinity and beyond must quicker than Seton Hall because we have been there were no man (where Seton Hall) had even been etc.
5. Give it time, there is a reason for countless proverbs and cliches about patience and time - because it is an eternal truth - things happen and unfold; and things take as long as they take;
6. I am enjoying watching these young guys - and have given up worrying about wins; let's get experinece, a few new recruits and get on with it
and finally, all the best to Nuri as well; I hope his life settles down a bit; I've dealth with tens of thousands of people over these past decades and some suffer and go through a lot of invisible/emotional stuff and they don't need to be hounded or second guessed and put down; I've seen big storng men, soldiers, police, athletes fall apart when their hearts suffer, when they endure traumas;
and my response has always been take care, reach out for help, take it easy on yourself…
boy am I really getting carried away, thanks for listening
I'm not fretting about the program as it's heading in the right direction - what's that song - "give it a little more time and our love will surely grow" - are those the lyrics?
enough, enough, enough, stuff (from me)
Interesting...
Two thoughts on that;
1) Could be that this is really half the real reason he's leaving. He wasn't going to be eligible anyway, and then didn't like how Dunlap was using him.
or
2) Lavin or the staff leaked this to CBS to do some PR-management. If it sounds like Nuri is leaving because he wasn't going to be eligible, that sounds a lot more like an individual problem then a program.
I don't want to think the staff "bad mouthed" a player, even a former one. Or leaked something that's untrue. But I also wouldn't put it pass Lavin if he felt he needed to manage the stream of bad press lately.
jumbo_peanuts
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I know this is going to get a lot of negative feedback but here goes........I can understand why Nuri has left...
First off, he had no consistent support from anyone. He came in here with the reputation as possibly being a one and done type of talent. He started off fairly strong and the fans loved and cheered him. Then there is the A&M game...he misses two free throws that 'cost' us the game, and that apparently just destroyed his confidence, because he has been struggling ever since.... So what do the fans/posters on this board do....sit here and bash the kid and say how bad he sucks and focus on what is wrong with his game, rather than what is good about it. And we all have done it (myself included), so in a way we are all at fault. I'm sure there is nothing better for a player, who is already down on himself and lacking confidence, than to go on a website and read people talking about how awful he is. At a time when he needed people to be there for him and support him, it just seemed like they almost in a way turned their backs on him. It just crazy how fans can turn on a player that quickly....
It is also clear that Coach Lavin's health was a major factor. I wish coach Lavin a speedy recovery and nothing but the best. And obviously his health is more important than anything else. However, if your health is preventing you from doing your job to the best of your ability, then I feel that should be considered. When Nuri signed up to play here, he signed up to play for Steve Lavin, not Mike Dunlap. I'm sure that when Lavin was on recruiting trips he more than likely said something along the lines of "I want you to come play for me at St Johns University." And Steve Lavin is who the kids were expecting to play for. As much as Dunlap would like to be, he is not Lavin. They are different people with different styles and personalities. During games on this site, people are always saying how they can't wait for Lavin to get back, because Dunlap just is not the same. It's not Lavin's fault that he is going through all of this, but its not Nuri's either. He came here to play for Lavin, and its not happening right now, and there is no way of saying when it will happen. I find it similar to when a freshman signs a LOI, and then either the coach leaves or gets fired or something, and then requests to be released from it. Players sign up to play for the head coach, not the assistant......
For the posters on here who said that Nuri wasn't tough enough and needed to take the good with the bad, maybe we all should look in the mirror and tell ourselves the same thing. Because a lot of us had no problem bashing Nuri as soon as he had a few bad games. People said that it was terrible/selfish that he quit after 9 games into the season. Well how many of us were ready to quit on Nuri after 9 games into the season??
First off, he had no consistent support from anyone. He came in here with the reputation as possibly being a one and done type of talent. He started off fairly strong and the fans loved and cheered him. Then there is the A&M game...he misses two free throws that 'cost' us the game, and that apparently just destroyed his confidence, because he has been struggling ever since.... So what do the fans/posters on this board do....sit here and bash the kid and say how bad he sucks and focus on what is wrong with his game, rather than what is good about it. And we all have done it (myself included), so in a way we are all at fault. I'm sure there is nothing better for a player, who is already down on himself and lacking confidence, than to go on a website and read people talking about how awful he is. At a time when he needed people to be there for him and support him, it just seemed like they almost in a way turned their backs on him. It just crazy how fans can turn on a player that quickly....
It is also clear that Coach Lavin's health was a major factor. I wish coach Lavin a speedy recovery and nothing but the best. And obviously his health is more important than anything else. However, if your health is preventing you from doing your job to the best of your ability, then I feel that should be considered. When Nuri signed up to play here, he signed up to play for Steve Lavin, not Mike Dunlap. I'm sure that when Lavin was on recruiting trips he more than likely said something along the lines of "I want you to come play for me at St Johns University." And Steve Lavin is who the kids were expecting to play for. As much as Dunlap would like to be, he is not Lavin. They are different people with different styles and personalities. During games on this site, people are always saying how they can't wait for Lavin to get back, because Dunlap just is not the same. It's not Lavin's fault that he is going through all of this, but its not Nuri's either. He came here to play for Lavin, and its not happening right now, and there is no way of saying when it will happen. I find it similar to when a freshman signs a LOI, and then either the coach leaves or gets fired or something, and then requests to be released from it. Players sign up to play for the head coach, not the assistant......
For the posters on here who said that Nuri wasn't tough enough and needed to take the good with the bad, maybe we all should look in the mirror and tell ourselves the same thing. Because a lot of us had no problem bashing Nuri as soon as he had a few bad games. People said that it was terrible/selfish that he quit after 9 games into the season. Well how many of us were ready to quit on Nuri after 9 games into the season??
Lindsey is the latest version of former St.John's transfer Alpha Bangura.
Both Bangura and Lindsey arrived at St.John's advertised to be scoring machines with speculation each would leave St. John's after one year for the NBA. Unfortunately the ability and potential of both Bangura and Lindsey was grossly overrated.
The level of play in the BEast is faster and against more talented players that both Lindsey and Bangura had enjoyed success at. Both Lindsey and Bangura lacked the talent to dominate in the BEast as they had at a lower level.
If Dwight Harty and Scottie Renyolds could not make an NBA roster then there is no way Lindsey plays in the NBA roster.
The only way Lindsey gets to the NBA is with a ticket.
Given the choice between Coach Dunlap and Lindsey - - I take Dunlap without hesitation.
Both Bangura and Lindsey arrived at St.John's advertised to be scoring machines with speculation each would leave St. John's after one year for the NBA. Unfortunately the ability and potential of both Bangura and Lindsey was grossly overrated.
The level of play in the BEast is faster and against more talented players that both Lindsey and Bangura had enjoyed success at. Both Lindsey and Bangura lacked the talent to dominate in the BEast as they had at a lower level.
If Dwight Harty and Scottie Renyolds could not make an NBA roster then there is no way Lindsey plays in the NBA roster.
The only way Lindsey gets to the NBA is with a ticket.
Given the choice between Coach Dunlap and Lindsey - - I take Dunlap without hesitation.
tom in salem
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What do you have against Lavin?
Disconnect = dissociation = trauma survivor symptom. Three people close including two brothers dead at an early age and now the guy you committed to is away with a life-threatening illness. It may have sapped his last ounce of resilience and two missed free throws and coaching feedback during a slump combined with an Omar Cook memorial bull squad whispering in his ear may have been too much.
Most of the people I know who have endured what Nuri has been through were patients in institutions for behavioral health treatment. I am sorry he is going but only can wish him health and strength.
tom in salem
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I now fully understand your karma rating.
Yes as a few recent posters have eloquently - or not so eloquently - stated:
Let's give the kid a break!!! Let him go peacefully and then let's get on with our own lives and get on with enjoying the new era in SJU basketball.
Get well soon Coach Lavin!
all the best
Let's give the kid a break!!! Let him go peacefully and then let's get on with our own lives and get on with enjoying the new era in SJU basketball.
Get well soon Coach Lavin!
all the best
Are you kidding me? You think he is the only kid to go through something terrible? Look at Kevin Parrom...is he tucking tail?
Nuri quit on two high schools in 2008...a year before he lost his brother and mother. It's his character that is the issue. What happened after just gives him an excuse.
Ray Morgan
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Until he packs up and leaves, Nuri is a member of the SJU basketball family. I don't believe in bashing members of the family. The team was going to have a losing season with him, and will have a losing season without him. That is not due to a lack of talent or effort, but due to a lack of depth, height and experience. He said some things that some didn't like, but also mentioned how he loved SJU and his teammates. Who knows what's going through his head, or who has influenced his decision. The only thing that will derail this program is Coach Lavin's health. I just hope he doesn't try to rush back prematurely because of damage control.
queensbridge
Member
Not buying all this bs. Kid quit on his teammates. The way he handled it on Twitter was insulting as well. Immediately after his "explanation," he's posting tweets insinuating he could be going to La Salle. Give me a break. Sick of having to deal with all these mindless kids but that's the nature of the sport we all love. One thing I will say is after dealing with all these kids' crap, it only makes you appreciate the attitude of a kid like Amir- has been nothing but loyal and shown levels of maturity completely beyond his years.
jerseyshorejohnny
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My only concern is Coach Lavin's health. I hope he does not consider rushing back because of this.
tom in salem
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His mom is back on the STJ facebook site.
Feel bad for her.
Feel bad for her.
jumbo_peanuts
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I know exactly why it was bad.....its because I am right on all of these statements and people don't want to admit that. So instead of admitting they were wrong, they are mature about it and give me negative karma....
TRabinowitz
Member
The "teamleem" thread on the SJU facebook page has been deleted (either by the originator of the post or the school). His mom commented that her son "didnt deserve to be coached like a robot". So Nuri's entourage think they know more about basketball than Mike Dunlap, whose won 2 D2 national championships. What a bunch of fools. Nuri is buying into some baddddddddd advice.