Nuri Leaving

Notes

- I have to admit I love when things like this happen. Yes, it's bad for the sad sack team I inexplicably root for one sport other than horseracing that I care at all about, but on the other hand is the delicious thrill of Schadenfreude I feel reading these threads. It's like cracking the top layer of trash at the garbage dump on a steamy August afternoon and inhaling huge breaths of the toxic slime that lies just beneath the surface. My favorite line so far has been: tough to blame Beteljuice for this one. I have to agree, it'd be hard to pin this on the assistant coach at Florida.

- Used to be when players transferred it was the fault of the incompetent staff. Now when they transfer it's because they're spineless quitters. So that's a step in the right direction, because we have a staff that recruits spineless quitters. No wait, that's not right, it's because we have a supremely competent staff that won't take guff from pampered nancy boys. That's right, I said it, pampered nancy boys. I don't care how many family members he's had murdered, he's a prima donna. And he's been a disappointment since the preseason let's face it, and 8 games is all a genyious needs to see to know whether a player is any good at all. Just like when I watched Cedric Jackson's first 8 games, I could tell he was an NBA player. So good riddance Nuri. Nice name BTW, Nuri. Good lord.

Same for those other guys Pelle and Sampson. Sure when we recruited them they were great and part of an amazing recruiting class but know what? Now that they're not here we're better off without them. They're not that good and their attitude stinks. This is addition by subtraction. Good riddance to bad rubbish. De gustibus est. Baby, bath water. And so on.

- It's been noted that we might need a scapegoat and that a good one might be Tony Chiles. I agree. His ankle's already messed up so throwing him under the bus won't do much more damage. However ultimately the blame for this falls on Sloan Kettering. If they'd removed the great and powerful prostate when the disease was first found we wouldn't be in this mess. So I'm afraid no more donations to cancer research from me until this team starts winning some games.
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lmao
 
Ya, the wheels are falling off and it has nothing to do with W's and L's. I was in a group of about 15-20% of this board who thought BEFORE the season that we'd win between 13 and 15 games.

Lindsay hadn't played competitively in 2 years, and never against this level of competition, so I still wouldn't be dismissive of his ability. Watching him, he is a guy who could penetrate at will in high school, even against top notch d1 players. In HS you get more time to square up for a shot, AND, you're the man. He nearly broke Wilt Chamberlain's records at Overbrook. I wouldn't trash him and call him a chump.

To have someone of that caliber - we aren't talking about an overweight Omari Lawrence - check out after 9 games is troubling at best. When a kid like that gets pulled, with all the coaches we have, someone had to be in his ear supporting him and bolstering him. Should he have given up on SJU so soon, definitely not. Did anyone on our staff try to mentor or support him? I don't know. I do know that too many college kids have to be coddled.

I don't think our system is allt hat complicated. Learning to play a zone is not quantum mechanics. Trying to penetrate time and time and time again when there is nothing there but trees is just foolish - that was his shortcoming - that and an outside shot that so far wasn't reliable.

I think we are worse off without him, and even more shorthanded than before. Instead of having 9 guys learning under Lavin & co, we are left with five guys learning under "& co." What is you definition of wheels?



Why be negative? Because in less than 4 months, the wheels have fallen off this season. Three ineligibles, two of which de-committed, and the third with a pro baseball contract. My fear is that if Garrett doesn't play this season, then goes out and shows great promise in his first minor league, there will be great pressure on him to give up basketball, and he probably will.

Then a guy that we were ravings about a couple of weeks ago quits before we even get to the Big East Schedule. Lavin may not be back anytime soon, and the team is disgruntled and short handed.

Oh yea, and we overcharge for on campus refreshments during games.

 
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The wheels are coming off? Really?

This team was going to win 11 games with Lindsey. It might win the same number without him. If it wins 2 less games, does it matter?

You've subtracted a selfish, one-dimensional player who could not adjust to actually playing team basketball. It's opened up minutes for Phil Greene, who is already a better all-around player than Nuri and who has a much higher ceiling (IMHO). You have freed the entire team from the burden of having to defer to Nuri and look for him at the expense of their own opportunities.

If the staff adds two players by the end of the month, his departure doesn't even hurt your depth in any significant way.

Of course, I was never one who raved about Lindsey. If anything I refrained from clobbering him on the board because the kids do read this site. However, now that he's gone I can't really feel badly about subtracting a selfish one-dimensional quitter and giving his time and valuable experience to better players. They are still going to take their lumps this year, but with a few reinforcements they will also still be very good next year.

Other than that, I agree with almost all of Marcus' post. The one thing I agree with Lindsey on is that the team is too robotic. I have chalked that up to having a bunch of freshmen trying to learn a complicated system and thinking too much, with the added pressure of having to keep Nuri happy by looking for him whenever possible. I'm sure that once the staff is comfortable that they have learned the system that things will open up some more, and frankly I think that subtracting Nuri will help since he fits into a system like sand fits into gears.
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 why wait til the end of the season to leave?? you would have to sit out until 2013-2014. that would be nonsensical when they could leave now and play next december.
 
does anyone think there will be other transfers at the end of the season? i do
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Actually, no, I don't. If only because most of these kids don't want to sit out a year when they could be getting this much playing time.

But I couldn't have predicted Nuri leaving, for the same reason. We need coach Lavin back
 
Notes

- I have to admit I love when things like this happen. Yes, it's bad for the sad sack team I inexplicably root for one sport other than horseracing that I care at all about, but on the other hand is the delicious thrill of Schadenfreude I feel reading these threads. It's like cracking the top layer of trash at the garbage dump on a steamy August afternoon and inhaling huge breaths of the toxic slime that lies just beneath the surface. My favorite line so far has been: tough to blame Beteljuice for this one. I have to agree, it'd be hard to pin this on the assistant coach at Florida.

- Used to be when players transferred it was the fault of the incompetent staff. Now when they transfer it's because they're spineless quitters. So that's a step in the right direction, because we have a staff that recruits spineless quitters. No wait, that's not right, it's because we have a supremely competent staff that won't take guff from pampered nancy boys. That's right, I said it, pampered nancy boys. I don't care how many family members he's had murdered, he's a prima donna. And he's been a disappointment since the preseason let's face it, and 8 games is all a genyious needs to see to know whether a player is any good at all. Just like when I watched Cedric Jackson's first 8 games, I could tell he was an NBA player. So good riddance Nuri. Nice name BTW, Nuri. Good lord.

Same for those other guys Pelle and Sampson. Sure when we recruited them they were great and part of an amazing recruiting class but know what? Now that they're not here we're better off without them. They're not that good and their attitude stinks. This is addition by subtraction. Good riddance to bad rubbish. De gustibus est. Baby, bath water. And so on.

- It's been noted that we might need a scapegoat and that a good one might be Tony Chiles. I agree. His ankle's already messed up so throwing him under the bus won't do much more damage. However ultimately the blame for this falls on Sloan Kettering. If they'd removed the great and powerful prostate when the disease was first found we wouldn't be in this mess. So I'm afraid no more donations to cancer research from me until this team starts winning some games.
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You must have got collared at the wire at the Big A when typing this up-- didn't Rico Hines blow his Mcl out? I could have swore I saw him limping with the boot on his foot and not Chiles
 
-You must have got collared at the wire at the Big A when typing this up-- didn't Rico Hines blow his Mcl out? I could have swore I saw him limping with the boot on his foot and not Chiles
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Torn Achilles
 
-You must have got collared at the wire at the Big A when typing this up-- didn't Rico Hines blow his Mcl out? I could have swore I saw him limping with the boot on his foot and not Chiles
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Torn Achilles
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Was it Chiles or Hines, I know it happened during practice
 
You must have got collared at the wire at the Big A when typing this up-- didn't Rico Hines blow his Mcl out? I could have swore I saw him limping with the boot on his foot and not Chiles
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Caught me. Also, for the record, Rodney Dangerfield was afforded respect occasionally and Henny Youngman and his wife got on like gangbusters.
 
 In the end, would anyone want a kid to play for StJ, who doesn't want to be here? I personally have faith in the coaching staff, and hope they stay in tact. If so, I think the future of StJ hoops will be bright, even if it isn't as quick as all of us would like.

I do recall when Jay Wright had that great recruiting class when he first took over. Most couldn't believe that his talented freshmen and Sophomores didn't make the tournament. Some wanted him gone. Building takes time.
 
You must have got collared at the wire at the Big A when typing this up-- didn't Rico Hines blow his Mcl out? I could have swore I saw him limping with the boot on his foot and not Chiles
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Caught me. Also, for the record, Rodney Dangerfield was afforded respect occasionally and Henny Youngman and his wife got on like gangbusters.
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I wasn't trying to catch you, just thought I remembered seeing Hines gimping. Keep the funnies coming
 
 Just like learning a new golf swing. . .very mechanical at the outset with mixed, if not poor, results, until it becomes second nature.
 
Sorry about that Moose, I knew one of them was a surprise. I also never realized they were all together. Could you elaborate on why you think all 3 of them going to the same place was bad? I mean I can infer obvious reasons, but I don't know enough about this.

I also love Lavin. I wanted him to be our coach and I think hes the best. He is perfect for NYC and this school. I just have a lot of questions about the rest of the staff. It seems all they have done is prohibited us from getting some recruits bc of HS ties, and not done a great job recruiting. Without Lavin they don't seem to have any clue what is going on.

I will try and find LJSA's earlier post. 
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Your pretty much inviting the NCAA to look at the 3 kids when they are all in the same place. It just was not smart at all. No way to slice it.
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Why?
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I know why you do it to keep them close but also there are tons of schools in the area to pick from. You send them all to 1 school where there are just 5 kids in the class and 3 are trying to get eligible who are all from different places- CA, NV, and OH and they all get straight A's? Just seems too perfect. I would have split them up.

I know you mentioned that this was the first time RISE players were rejected. But exactly what players have gone thru there that are noteworthy? When I first heard of RISE I googled it and if anything there were some questionable things from years ago during the NCAA crackdown on diploma mills. 

Also remember the Pelle interview with Zags from the Summer? Pelle had no clue what he was taking classes for. That didn't give me the warm and fuzzies.
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OK, I understand your point of view. I am no fan of diploma mills but the fact is they are part of the college bball landscape. Did the NCAA reject the grades out of hand because they all got A's from an accredited institution? This more than suggests impropriety so where was the explanation from the NCAA , the follow-up investigation? The next logical conclusion is that SJU colluded with Rise to pass the players so again, no follow-up? And if the grades were tampered with were all parties stupid enough to do it with all A's? Or as I think, were the classes "basket-weaving" like, which is SOP for the diploma mills? in that case the NCAA's decision was arbitrary and selective. If the NCAA were to ban all players who graduated based on a less than appropriately challenging curriculum D1 would have a hard time filling rosters.
 
Why be negative? Because in less than 4 months, the wheels have fallen off this season. Three ineligibles, two of which de-committed, and the third with a pro baseball contract. My fear is that if Garrett doesn't play this season, then goes out and shows great promise in his first minor league, there will be great pressure on him to give up basketball, and he probably will.

Then a guy that we were ravings about a couple of weeks ago quits before we even get to the Big East Schedule. Lavin may not be back anytime soon, and the team is disgruntled and short handed.

Oh yea, and we overcharge for on campus refreshments during games.

Cappy and others said it well - things are not bleak; most schools have transfers and issues;

We should not ebb and flow emotionally and so easily; reality = this is a period of transition and with it comes confusion, disappointment, unexpected stuff;

There is so much good stuff going on in this process (e.g. process means taking time) why add so much negativity adn negative speculation.

The kids still here are talented; similar ones will join them; we will be very competitive over the next few years BUT this year, after the predicament Lavin was put in (having to recuirt so many so soon and re-establish goodwill ties), give all of us a break.

all the best
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Growing pains.
 
 On a side note UCLA just dismissed Reeves Nelson. Wonder if he is a reclamation project?
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No way in hell I touch him with two 10 ft poles.
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Agree, last thing we need, but two questions for you Moose.

1) since he was dismissed, does that change when he can become eligible somewhere else?/wouldn't be surprised if he entered in the NBA draft instead of going somewhere

2) more of a statement, but the little I have watched I really like his game. Obviously he is a headcase, but I would love to hve a player like him on our team. Was really impressed with his all around game, especially his toughness/rebounding.
 
 On a side note UCLA just dismissed Reeves Nelson. Wonder if he is a reclamation project?
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No way in hell I touch him with two 10 ft poles.
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Agree, last thing we need, but two questions for you Moose.

1) since he was dismissed, does that change when he can become eligible somewhere else?/wouldn't be surprised if he entered in the NBA draft instead of going somewhere

2) more of a statement, but the little I have watched I really like his game. Obviously he is a headcase, but I would love to hve a player like him on our team. Was really impressed with his all around game, especially his toughness/rebounding.
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Same rules and yes I think he will probably just declare for draft later this year.
 
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