Nuri Leaving
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I believe they were the first 3 to not get approved out of Rise which is something many still scratch their heads about. It is easy to criticize in hindsight but there was no reason for anyone to expect the NCAA was not going to accept the grades, Lavin was so confident he announced everyone would be eligible after seeing their grades. As I heard a high school coach in Jersey joke over beers "if the 3 were going to Kentucky the NCAA would have made them eligible after their mid-semester grades were released at Rise."
Anyway, IMO, at the end of the day, Lindsey is a playground player who didn't want to learn to play the game the right way. He listened to the whispers that he had to put up big numbers to jump to the league; created a conflict with the coaches and he bolted.
One last point, if one understands recruiting, Lavin and company were way behind the 8 ball for this year with the whole team graduating, that is unheard of. They did a fantastic job bringing in talent at the late date they started recruiting but they obviously had to take some gambles to do so. We got a bad break or the NCAA screwed us with the ineligibles, whichever you like, but we could very well have played this year primarily with walk-ons or non-BE players. Barring the BE folding, we will be fine in the long haul.
Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out the back-door... C - O - W - A - R - D.:evil:
And insulting a young KID who may be confused and making a big mistake says what about your character? Calm down, it is only college basketball. He isn't a pro player. They are called amateurs for a reason.
My "character"??.. lol... Save it son. This kid is a QUITTER... Truth hurts.
Lindsey's stats for the year (see: more turnovers than assists, shooting % and foul shooting %) confirm that he does not have the ability to be a star at the Big East level.
The discussion about Lindsey being in the NBA is silly talk. If neither Dwight Hardy nor Scottie Renyolds could not make an. NBA roster than Lindsey won't. The only way he gets to the NBA is by purchasing a ticket.
The discussion about Lindsey being in the NBA is silly talk. If neither Dwight Hardy nor Scottie Renyolds could not make an. NBA roster than Lindsey won't. The only way he gets to the NBA is by purchasing a ticket.
Lindsey had it in his mind that he would spend one year here and then leave for the NBA. That was all the talk before hand and Lindsey pretty much confirmed it. He proclaimed himself on his twitter as SJU's starting PG long before he even got here. Once he got, he started realizing he wasn't George Gervin and that the refs werent going to treat him like it was street ball. Other schools wised-up because he really can drive to the hoop and they closed down his lanes after a game or two and he was rendered totally ineffective.
What we were left with is a shooting guard that shoots like Chris Dudley at the line and from he outside. Lindsey subsequently lost minutes to Phil Greene who wasnt turning the ball over, has a nice jumper and wasn't handing opposing teams 12 points In fast-breaks on terrible turnovers and walks every game.
I think Nuri had the ability to be quite good, but the gap between how good he is right now and how good he thinks he is, is like the grand canyon. Nuri needs 2-3 years here before even considering a jump to the NBA. He subsequently blames everybody including Dunlap, Lavin's absence and the coaching being "too robotic" as to why he isnt as good as he thinks he is.
The kid doesn't want to learn how to play real ball like footwork, shooting-form, defense. He thinks he was born-ready ala Lenny Cooke and we know how that worked out. Fwiw, I saw a LOT of Lenny Cooke in HS as well as a lot of other players like DeMarr Johnson, Korleone Young and scores of others twice as good as Nuri that didn't make the league. Heck, Dwight Hardy and Marcus Hatten aren't in the NBA and are light years ahead of Nuri.
Bottom line is that the kid is delusional and chose to abandon his team putting himself ahead of everything. Sad part about it is that he's just another dope with some fools in his ear who is doing himself a massive disservice by choosing to leave because he was actually learning how tough D1 ball is and how much work he needs to do to be a pro.
Tired of kid's like this. I don't think he deserves a "free pass" here on the boards. He deserves all the criticism he gets. His past tragedies have nothing to do with the dumb and selfish choices he's making now. Good for Phil Greene though. He's already better than Lindsey and will get exponentially better with this season under his belt as our starting PG.
Lavin needs to get back in the office soon though and right this ship. We have a bright future, but we need a BIG recruiting haul this 2012 class and we're waaaay behind the 8-ball with Lindsey now leaving. We need at least 2 big men and 2 guards if not 1 or 2 more, and we only have one wing on board. Need Lavin back with his health questions behind him otherwise it will be a ton harder. Recruits need to know he's 100% and ready to roll. It's THE most important thing right now. I know he needs some time to recover, and I'm a clinician so I know fully how these things work. If he doesn't truly have complications and it is a stamina issue, he needs to come back sooner rather than later. The team is struggling without him, and the 2012 recruiting class has no chance unless he comes back to full strength and soon. Need to bring guys like Gathers back in the fold and may be at risk of losing other kids if it is viewed that our coach is not going to be here in full capacity.
P.S. moose, it's no secret that you're talking about Tony Chiles. He was the Nuri guy and I'm assuming th Rise guy. How about a swap for Barry Rohrrsen? ;-)
What we were left with is a shooting guard that shoots like Chris Dudley at the line and from he outside. Lindsey subsequently lost minutes to Phil Greene who wasnt turning the ball over, has a nice jumper and wasn't handing opposing teams 12 points In fast-breaks on terrible turnovers and walks every game.
I think Nuri had the ability to be quite good, but the gap between how good he is right now and how good he thinks he is, is like the grand canyon. Nuri needs 2-3 years here before even considering a jump to the NBA. He subsequently blames everybody including Dunlap, Lavin's absence and the coaching being "too robotic" as to why he isnt as good as he thinks he is.
The kid doesn't want to learn how to play real ball like footwork, shooting-form, defense. He thinks he was born-ready ala Lenny Cooke and we know how that worked out. Fwiw, I saw a LOT of Lenny Cooke in HS as well as a lot of other players like DeMarr Johnson, Korleone Young and scores of others twice as good as Nuri that didn't make the league. Heck, Dwight Hardy and Marcus Hatten aren't in the NBA and are light years ahead of Nuri.
Bottom line is that the kid is delusional and chose to abandon his team putting himself ahead of everything. Sad part about it is that he's just another dope with some fools in his ear who is doing himself a massive disservice by choosing to leave because he was actually learning how tough D1 ball is and how much work he needs to do to be a pro.
Tired of kid's like this. I don't think he deserves a "free pass" here on the boards. He deserves all the criticism he gets. His past tragedies have nothing to do with the dumb and selfish choices he's making now. Good for Phil Greene though. He's already better than Lindsey and will get exponentially better with this season under his belt as our starting PG.
Lavin needs to get back in the office soon though and right this ship. We have a bright future, but we need a BIG recruiting haul this 2012 class and we're waaaay behind the 8-ball with Lindsey now leaving. We need at least 2 big men and 2 guards if not 1 or 2 more, and we only have one wing on board. Need Lavin back with his health questions behind him otherwise it will be a ton harder. Recruits need to know he's 100% and ready to roll. It's THE most important thing right now. I know he needs some time to recover, and I'm a clinician so I know fully how these things work. If he doesn't truly have complications and it is a stamina issue, he needs to come back sooner rather than later. The team is struggling without him, and the 2012 recruiting class has no chance unless he comes back to full strength and soon. Need to bring guys like Gathers back in the fold and may be at risk of losing other kids if it is viewed that our coach is not going to be here in full capacity.
P.S. moose, it's no secret that you're talking about Tony Chiles. He was the Nuri guy and I'm assuming th Rise guy. How about a swap for Barry Rohrrsen? ;-)
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MCNPA- GREAT Post! & last line would be a real ++++++ IF a spot opens.
Hey books, good to see you back. As far as coaching positions go, they're not like scholarship players. They don't open up, they are created. If Lavin wants Rohrrsen, he's just a phone call away. Fwiw, I'm not blaming Chiles for anything at all. I don't know what he was responsible for or anything else about him really. I've just always wanted Rohrrsen as our lead recruiting assistant and still do. Lavin did to, wanted him badly. Rohrrsen is the Harvey Keitel of the recruiting world. Hes the bad a$$ with the juice. Now he's sitting home waiting for our call.
Guys my take on this is as follows: # 1- I agree that Nuri quit on this team. If your gonna leave, have the decency to wait until the year ends. In some way I think he was afraid he would really be exposed come BE play. # 2- Coach Lav is coming back, everyone here needs to relax. He is recovering, just like Calhoun and Boeheim did. If there ever is a time for this to happen, its now because of point # 3- this is a learning year anyway. There are zero expectations of this team being one of the youngest and thinnest in the country. As far as scandal....come on guys, Penn St and Cuse are dealing with scandals, and we all lived scandals here before, we are not, thank goodness, in that kind of situation. Bottom line is this.....these fine young men that we have left in this program should love all the PT they are getting, and hopefully grow from it. We need all of them to stick with this program, and the key is for Coach Lav to fill those spots for next year. If he is home and not at CA practicing, Im sure his texts and phone line are burning up recruiting. Trust in him, wish him a quick recovery, and have faith fellas, we are fine. Go Johnnies !!!
Great post! The truth hurts, get over it and move on!
Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out the back-door... C - O - W - A - R - D.
And insulting a young KID who may be confused and making a big mistake says what about your character? Calm down, it is only college basketball. He isn't a pro player. They are called amateurs for a reason.
My "character"??.. lol... Save it son. This kid is a QUITTER... Truth hurts.
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No joke MJ (the Myron Piggie debacle was a disgrace). I'm tired of the free passes the 3 of them get. I can't wait for the soon to come days where my teams in red take out one of those three in the tourney. I'm patient enough to wait for it, and revel in it when it happens.
Don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out the back-door... C - O - W - A - R - D.
And insulting a young KID who may be confused and making a big mistake says what about your character? Calm down, it is only college basketball. He isn't a pro player. They are called amateurs for a reason.
My "character"??.. lol... Save it son. This kid is a QUITTER... Truth hurts.
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Mike - is the situation driving you to drink?
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One positive in all of this - the scholly chart should be able to be balanced out much quicker. That will help 3-4 years down the line. Most of us know this, but I want it out there to get one good outcome posted on our Eeyore thread.
New updates:
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/lindsey_leaves_sju_Eh6MNi5yITSPyOad2EmzuL
“What I said to the team today at practice is that when you’re playing with a short bench you have to play smarter because the margin for error is that much finer,’’ Lavin told The Post. “Obviously we were already thin.
Lavin said the remaining players “missed their teammate and their friend,’’ but went through a workmanlike practice.
http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/college/basketball/lindsey_leaves_sju_Eh6MNi5yITSPyOad2EmzuL
“What I said to the team today at practice is that when you’re playing with a short bench you have to play smarter because the margin for error is that much finer,’’ Lavin told The Post. “Obviously we were already thin.
Lavin said the remaining players “missed their teammate and their friend,’’ but went through a workmanlike practice.