Norvel Pelle

It just seemed like there were more early signings then normal this year.
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A lot of top players opted to sign late, and we are on TV a lot. All it takes is one perfectly timed great performance in front of an open-minded kid...

Stranger things have happened.
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That's a bit of a reach. Only 17 of Scout's top 100 haven't committed. That seems to be a bit less than usual. Also I think STJ has been mentioned with maybe three of them, Gathers, Jefferson and Goodman, and only Gathers seems like a possibility from that group. It's not impossible to get on another list or two by spring signing I guess but generally the odds would not appear to be good. Need to find a big somewhere though.
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Have all 'signed'?
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Of course not. Will all qualify? Of course not. Just trying to be realistic.

Logen's post is of course spot on and essentially echoes something I posted in response to a post in a previous sky is falling thread (or maybe it was earlier in this monster). Before the week of September 16 there were no ships to give save the one that was being held for KA. Now folks act like all of the issues, eligibility, decommitments, loss off KA, should have been expected and a line of top 50 guys should have been forming outside the staff's door to sign on the dotted line. Silly stuff really.

I have lots of faith in the staff to do the best they can given a difficult situation. As I said in that previous post I wouldn't give up on Pelle, Sampson and Gathers by any stretch, they all saw something they liked and hopefully they'll see more as this season progresses. There's few left as good as them so re-recruit them while also reaching out to others. Spring brings coaching changes and new guys becoming available as well as guys who rise quickly in their senior seasons and a better feel for the JUCO landscape. There will be additions and I have no doubt they'll be better than we were used to pre-Lav n Co.
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I was just saying in response to your post about only 17 unsigned that more will pop up as 'unsigned' so we would be able to get back into the picture if we choose to, thats all.
 
I may sound over zealous but I expect us to go after the same level of recruits that Kentucky, Georgetown and Syracuse pursue every year and not to look for "sleepers" and under-the-radar kids that was the hallmark of the past two administrations.
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Actually, our staff have been going after (and, has landed) the same type of recruits as the above-mentioned schools. So, I'm not sure where your last sentence is coming from. Did you forget the staff initially landed the #3 recruiting class in 2011 (better than Syracuse's and G'town's classes) prior to the hypocritical NCAA wielded their axe? We also once had a verbal from a top 30 player in the nation until a week ago.

The only "under-the-radar" or "sleeper" type kid we've gone after has been Wood (it seems his stock has even slightly risen). This staff will continue to go after some of the best players in the nation (currently a co-leader for a top 30 player, in Ishmail Wainwright). So, I seriously doubt this staff will consistently comb and mine for the diamonds in the rough.
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MJ, of course I agree that 2011 was great. All I was trying to point out was that 2012 may be a polar opposite due to extenuating circumstances but to be involved with only a couple of top players for 2013 is not so great in recruiting circles even when you have only two ships. The schools I mentioned are consistently making offers to a half dozen top 100 kids every year. All I was trying to point out, before getting reamed, was that I expect SJ to be on that recruiting level even if we do not land any. Like lotto, you got to be in it to win it.
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I doubt you'll get "reamed out." You might catch some flak, but no reaming. LOL Actually, 2012 was looking pretty good, as the staff felt good about Gathers and Anderson. Many of us, figured our 2012 class was gonna be Gathers, Anderson and Wood. Hindsight, that was potentially gonna be a top 5 recruiting class. Unfortunately, things didn't come to fruition.

The staff also was going hard after Amile Jefferson, but probably backed off due to figuring they wasn't gonna have the (scholarship) room to sign him. The staff probably should've had more options when it came to going after kids in the 2012 class. But, we were dealing with a limited amount of scholarships and having a couple of guys in the bag (Gathers and Wood) and, figuring they were in great position with another one (Anderson), they probably rested on their laurels. Do not also forget Lavin had to deal with a health issue.

I still wouldn't be surprised to see us land a quality player or two in the spring. Actually, I'm looking forward to that scenario playing out in another five months. I believe we'll be fine once the 2012-2013 season rolls around. 
 
[Unless Lav and company can pull off a couple of recruiting surprises, 2012 may resemble a Norm Roberts class .
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When you in any way, shape, matter, or form compare this staff to the previous one, you instantly need to be sized for a straightjacket.

Yeesh you love hyperbole. I am amazed you manage to post here without pulling a quad since you stretch so far trying to make a point. (See what I did there?)
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I actually try to make things simple enough that even you can comprehend but since you did not get it the first time I will will repeat it-----I was not comparing staff but comparing recruiting classes. I suggest you review the recruiting data bases before becoming a smart ass! For 2012, we are involved with 3 "weak" possible top 100 kids after the Fall debacle. The only true 2012 is a kid out of the top 100.

There is no comparison in staffs in terms of quality coaching being made by me genius------it is in the number of elite recruits we are being mentioned with in 2012 and 2013. Compare us to Uconn and Gtown and we are not connecting with the level of prospects that I expect from this staff. In the case of bigs, we are no even close to getting looks from players that can fill the center position. Then again, I am not the recruiting Maven you seem to be.
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You did compare the staffs, when you said "2012 may resemble a Norm Roberts class".

My comprehension is fine thanks, even if it calls for reading through your consistently whiney, claptrap posts.

I don't know exactly what you expected the staff to have in place. Let's see, 3 kids do not qualify, so we muct have 3 kids right behind them. Yeah sure.

In one freaking short recruiting year, this staff has already assembled a roster with a talent level we haven't seen here in over a decade. And because of that, you post "2012 may resemble a Norm Roberts class".

Nothing resembles a Norm Roberts class..
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Actually, to put a positive spin on things. A Norm Roberts type recruiting class this year, based on what's taken place recently, wouldn't be all that bad. This staff won over 20 games last year with Norm Roberts recruits. To get players of that caliber to fill in as role players with the quality of talent that we currently have wouldn't be all that bad. Espacially with the way this staff can coach. Look what they did with last years team compared to what Norm Roberts did with them. This will all turn out fine, I have faith in Lavin and his staff.
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Problem is we have a tougher schedule this yr with young players so you can noy compare results
 
 Are you kidding me? Maybe he's considering Arizona. But seriously, like I said a few pages ago keep recruiting him.
 
The reality is we were not involved with any more 2012 players because we had basically run out of scholarships with the commitments of Wood and Gathers and the pursuit of Anderson. With the ineligibles and Gathers we now have scholarships and I am sure the staff is developing or has developed a plan forward. However, we are not going into a candy store spending our pennies on displays in a case; although from some of the Chicken Little posts it seems that is the level of mindset here. Lavin and company did a tremendous job recruiting in an extremely short window of opportunity to keep us relevant (at the very least) this year and I am sure will work and solve the problems created by the events of the last few months. But to think they should have quality players waiting to see if scholarships opened up is unrealistic to say the least; especially when by any precedent set by the NCAA in past years Garrett, Pelle, and Sampson should never have been declared ineligible.
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I have no doubt the staff is working on getting quality players that fit into their system. As far as the three recruits, it was known in June they would need coursework to qualify and by extension, accepting the possibility that one or more would not qualify. That known, you stay involved with top prospects that had not committed to the eleventh hour. It worked great in 2011 but not for 2012 or 2013 where we have a chance at building relationships. I may sound over zealous but I expect us to go after the same level of recruits that Kentucky, Georgetown and Syracuse pursue every year and not to look for "sleepers" and under-the-radar kids that was the hallmark of the past two administrations.
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So you stay involved with "top recruits" by telling them you have a spot if your current recruits don't make the grade? Sorry, doesn't work that was with that level player.
 
The reality is we were not involved with any more 2012 players because we had basically run out of scholarships with the commitments of Wood and Gathers and the pursuit of Anderson. With the ineligibles and Gathers we now have scholarships and I am sure the staff is developing or has developed a plan forward. However, we are not going into a candy store spending our pennies on displays in a case; although from some of the Chicken Little posts it seems that is the level of mindset here. Lavin and company did a tremendous job recruiting in an extremely short window of opportunity to keep us relevant (at the very least) this year and I am sure will work and solve the problems created by the events of the last few months. But to think they should have quality players waiting to see if scholarships opened up is unrealistic to say the least; especially when by any precedent set by the NCAA in past years Garrett, Pelle, and Sampson should never have been declared ineligible.
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I have no doubt the staff is working on getting quality players that fit into their system. As far as the three recruits, it was known in June they would need coursework to qualify and by extension, accepting the possibility that one or more would not qualify. That known, you stay involved with top prospects that had not committed to the eleventh hour. It worked great in 2011 but not for 2012 or 2013 where we have a chance at building relationships. I may sound over zealous but I expect us to go after the same level of recruits that Kentucky, Georgetown and Syracuse pursue every year and not to look for "sleepers" and under-the-radar kids that was the hallmark of the past two administrations.
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So you stay involved with "top recruits" by telling them you have a spot if your current recruits don't make the grade? Sorry, doesn't work that was with that level player.
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I am just disappointed that in the space of a few weeks we lost the commitments of three of our top recruits that would have made 2012-13 special. Lav was put into a very difficult situation with having to replace the entire roster due to the haphazard recruiting by Norm Roberts. Playing catch up at SJ has not paid any dividends in the past but I pray we can get a couple of decent players to keep this young team in games like tonight. We are talented but razor thin in depth and an unforeseen injury or transfer will not go down well with our marginal fan base. I think the loss of the players mentioned has taken a bit of wind out of our sails and from my experience, if SJ fans do not think they will win, they do not show up.
 
The reality is we were not involved with any more 2012 players because we had basically run out of scholarships with the commitments of Wood and Gathers and the pursuit of Anderson. With the ineligibles and Gathers we now have scholarships and I am sure the staff is developing or has developed a plan forward. However, we are not going into a candy store spending our pennies on displays in a case; although from some of the Chicken Little posts it seems that is the level of mindset here. Lavin and company did a tremendous job recruiting in an extremely short window of opportunity to keep us relevant (at the very least) this year and I am sure will work and solve the problems created by the events of the last few months. But to think they should have quality players waiting to see if scholarships opened up is unrealistic to say the least; especially when by any precedent set by the NCAA in past years Garrett, Pelle, and Sampson should never have been declared ineligible.
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I have no doubt the staff is working on getting quality players that fit into their system. As far as the three recruits, it was known in June they would need coursework to qualify and by extension, accepting the possibility that one or more would not qualify. That known, you stay involved with top prospects that had not committed to the eleventh hour. It worked great in 2011 but not for 2012 or 2013 where we have a chance at building relationships. I may sound over zealous but I expect us to go after the same level of recruits that Kentucky, Georgetown and Syracuse pursue every year and not to look for "sleepers" and under-the-radar kids that was the hallmark of the past two administrations.
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So you stay involved with "top recruits" by telling them you have a spot if your current recruits don't make the grade? Sorry, doesn't work that was with that level player.
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I am just disappointed that in the space of a few weeks we lost the commitments of three of our top recruits that would have made 2012-13 special. Lav was put into a very difficult situation with having to replace the entire roster due to the haphazard recruiting by Norm Roberts. Playing catch up at SJ has not paid any dividends in the past but I pray we can get a couple of decent players to keep this young team in games like tonight. We are talented but razor thin in depth and an unforeseen injury or transfer will not go down well with our marginal fan base. I think the loss of the players mentioned has taken a bit of wind out of our sails and from my experience, if SJ fans do not think they will win, they do not show up.
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Class of 76 totally agrees with you especially about fans not showing up in numbers unless we are big time winners. 
 
I may sound over zealous but I expect us to go after the same level of recruits that Kentucky, Georgetown and Syracuse pursue every year and not to look for "sleepers" and under-the-radar kids that was the hallmark of the past two administrations.
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Actually, our staff have been going after (and, has landed) the same type of recruits as the above-mentioned schools. So, I'm not sure where your last sentence is coming from. Did you forget the staff initially landed the #3 recruiting class in 2011 (better than Syracuse's and G'town's classes) prior to the hypocritical NCAA wielded their axe? We also once had a verbal from a top 30 player in the nation until a week ago.

The only "under-the-radar" or "sleeper" type kid we've gone after has been Wood (it seems his stock has even slightly risen). This staff will continue to go after some of the best players in the nation (currently a co-leader for a top 30 player, in Ishmail Wainwright). So, I seriously doubt this staff will consistently comb and mine for the diamonds in the rough.
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MJ, of course I agree that 2011 was great. All I was trying to point out was that 2012 may be a polar opposite due to extenuating circumstances but to be involved with only a couple of top players for 2013 is not so great in recruiting circles even when you have only two ships. The schools I mentioned are consistently making offers to a half dozen top 100 kids every year. All I was trying to point out, before getting reamed, was that I expect SJ to be on that recruiting level even if we do not land any. Like lotto, you got to be in it to win it.
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I doubt you'll get "reamed out." You might catch some flak, but no reaming. LOL Actually, 2012 was looking pretty good, as the staff felt good about Gathers and Anderson. Many of us, figured our 2012 class was gonna be Gathers, Anderson and Wood. Hindsight, that was potentially gonna be a top 5 recruiting class. Unfortunately, things didn't come to fruition.

The staff also was going hard after Amile Jefferson, but probably backed off due to figuring they wasn't gonna have the (scholarship) room to sign him. The staff probably should've had more options when it came to going after kids in the 2012 class. But, we were dealing with a limited amount of scholarships and having a couple of guys in the bag (Gathers and Wood) and, figuring they were in great position with another one (Anderson), they probably rested on their laurels. Do not also forget Lavin had to deal with a health issue.

I still wouldn't be surprised to see us land a quality player or two in the spring. Actually, I'm looking forward to that scenario playing out in another five months. I believe we'll be fine once the 2012-2013 season rolls around. 
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I'd be very surprised if the coaching staff does not sign quality players for next year's team. Are they going to land top 50 talent like last year? Probably not. In fairness, I'm not sure they ever felt they'd be put in the position to need it. But unfortunately certain circumstances played out against us and the staff will need to adjust. Whether that means going hard after a few late bloomers or switching our focus to the JC ranks, I'm sure we'll find out sooner rather than later.
 
I may sound over zealous but I expect us to go after the same level of recruits that Kentucky, Georgetown and Syracuse pursue every year and not to look for "sleepers" and under-the-radar kids that was the hallmark of the past two administrations.
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Actually, our staff have been going after (and, has landed) the same type of recruits as the above-mentioned schools. So, I'm not sure where your last sentence is coming from. Did you forget the staff initially landed the #3 recruiting class in 2011 (better than Syracuse's and G'town's classes) prior to the hypocritical NCAA wielded their axe? We also once had a verbal from a top 30 player in the nation until a week ago.

The only "under-the-radar" or "sleeper" type kid we've gone after has been Wood (it seems his stock has even slightly risen). This staff will continue to go after some of the best players in the nation (currently a co-leader for a top 30 player, in Ishmail Wainwright). So, I seriously doubt this staff will consistently comb and mine for the diamonds in the rough.
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MJ, of course I agree that 2011 was great. All I was trying to point out was that 2012 may be a polar opposite due to extenuating circumstances but to be involved with only a couple of top players for 2013 is not so great in recruiting circles even when you have only two ships. The schools I mentioned are consistently making offers to a half dozen top 100 kids every year. All I was trying to point out, before getting reamed, was that I expect SJ to be on that recruiting level even if we do not land any. Like lotto, you got to be in it to win it.
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I doubt you'll get "reamed out." You might catch some flak, but no reaming. LOL Actually, 2012 was looking pretty good, as the staff felt good about Gathers and Anderson. Many of us, figured our 2012 class was gonna be Gathers, Anderson and Wood. Hindsight, that was potentially gonna be a top 5 recruiting class. Unfortunately, things didn't come to fruition.

The staff also was going hard after Amile Jefferson, but probably backed off due to figuring they wasn't gonna have the (scholarship) room to sign him. The staff probably should've had more options when it came to going after kids in the 2012 class. But, we were dealing with a limited amount of scholarships and having a couple of guys in the bag (Gathers and Wood) and, figuring they were in great position with another one (Anderson), they probably rested on their laurels. Do not also forget Lavin had to deal with a health issue.

I still wouldn't be surprised to see us land a quality player or two in the spring. Actually, I'm looking forward to that scenario playing out in another five months. I believe we'll be fine once the 2012-2013 season rolls around. 
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I'd be very surprised if the coaching staff does not sign quality players for next year's team. Are they going to land top 50 talent like last year? Probably not. In fairness, I'm not sure they ever felt they'd be put in the position to need it. But unfortunately certain circumstances played out against us and the staff will need to adjust. Whether that means going hard after a few late bloomers or switching our focus to the JC ranks, I'm sure we'll find out sooner rather than later.
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If we land Wood, Gathers and another big guy, we'll be excellent next year and after that.
 
 WE need another deep threat and an inside presence so gift could pay power forward, The game was ours to win even though Zona shot the 3 great. Lost our poise , think our legs were getting tired down the strench,With Lindys out of the game it hurt big time, He was the best player on the floor, a great talent but must understand we need him on the floor for the entire game,He has to learn to play hard D and stay under control It will come, he is unstoppable if the develops his outside shot which he will over time he is a legit next level player,WE must remember young players tend to play harder when they know everything rest on their shoulders due to only 7 man rotation This teams up side is fantastic once staff brings in the the missing recruits we will become a contender in the BE
 
good b/c it would be a total crock if he was actually granted that waiver by the NCAA. I'm not saying that he isn't going through a tough time, but his circumstances would set a bad precedent by teh NCAA and help promote more wishy/washy transfers going forward. 
 
TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
Former St. John's commit Norvel Pelle, a 2012 center from Phelps (PA), is attending the Red Storm's game tonight, per @TheoRabinowitz.
 
 
TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
Former St. John's commit Norvel Pelle, a 2012 center from Phelps (PA), is attending the Red Storm's game tonight, per @TheoRabinowitz.
 
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They get their scoop from mjmaher?
 
TheRecruitScoop Alex Kline
Former St. John's commit Norvel Pelle, a 2012 center from Phelps (PA), is attending the Red Storm's game tonight, per @TheoRabinowitz.
 
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They get their scoop from mjmaher?
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 Nah I got it from the zagsblog homepage where they have that recent tweet section. I didn't know who wrote the tweet so I didn't know who to quote
 
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