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Totally agree. The only reason for the mention is because in the past SDSU would never even get a sniff from players like Daniels. SJU has better history/success than SDSU and is probably more accustomed to getting top consideration from these players.
That's a bit of a reach. Only 17 of Scout's top 100 haven't committed. That seems to be a bit less than usual. Also I think STJ has been mentioned with maybe three of them, Gathers, Jefferson and Goodman, and only Gathers seems like a possibility from that group. It's not impossible to get on another list or two by spring signing I guess but generally the odds would not appear to be good. Need to find a big somewhere though.
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Because of the three ineligible players and Gathers change of mind, SJ's coaches were caught by surprise to say the least. They expended a lot of time on Kyle Anderson and were not aggressive with some 2012 players. Memphis----a non-Big East team ----- is involved with more top 100 players than SJ. Unless Lav and company can pull off a couple of recruiting surprises, 2012 may resemble a Norm Roberts class and that would delay any resurgence until the 2013 class-----and even there we are not involved with top 50 players that would show we are back competing with Uconn and others for top 20 recruiting classes. Lav has a very expensive assistants staff and there is no reason SJ is not mentioned with players that are considering elite schools. I think this has been an eye-opener for the staff.
When you in any way, shape, matter, or form compare this staff to the previous one, you instantly need to be sized for a straightjacket.
Yeesh you love hyperbole. I am amazed you manage to post here without pulling a quad since you stretch so far trying to make a point. (See what I did there?)
The reality is we were not involved with any more 2012 players because we had basically run out of scholarships with the commitments of Wood and Gathers and the pursuit of Anderson. With the ineligibles and Gathers we now have scholarships and I am sure the staff is developing or has developed a plan forward. However, we are not going into a candy store spending our pennies on displays in a case; although from some of the Chicken Little posts it seems that is the level of mindset here. Lavin and company did a tremendous job recruiting in an extremely short window of opportunity to keep us relevant (at the very least) this year and I am sure will work and solve the problems created by the events of the last few months. But to think they should have quality players waiting to see if scholarships opened up is unrealistic to say the least; especially when by any precedent set by the NCAA in past years Garrett, Pelle, and Sampson should never have been declared ineligible.
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I actually try to make things simple enough that even you can comprehend but since you did not get it the first time I will will repeat it-----I was not comparing staff but comparing recruiting classes. I suggest you review the recruiting data bases before becoming a smart ass! For 2012, we are involved with 3 "weak" possible top 100 kids after the Fall debacle. The only true 2012 is a kid out of the top 100.
There is no comparison in staffs in terms of quality coaching being made by me genius------it is in the number of elite recruits we are being mentioned with in 2012 and 2013. Compare us to Uconn and Gtown and we are not connecting with the level of prospects that I expect from this staff. In the case of bigs, we are no even close to getting looks from players that can fill the center position. Then again, I am not the recruiting Maven you seem to be.
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Being "one of SDSU's best ever recruiting classes" is completely different than being "one of the top recruiting classes." And as for a the players you do have signed, while they are all nice players, I wouldn't be overly excited about them. Shrigley is a 3-star recruit who was only offered by a few major programs (Oregon, Boston College, Oregon State), none of which were any Big East schools. JJ O'Brien was a very nice player for Utah, but not that much of a difference maker. Polee should be very good, but then again only averaged 4pts and 2.5rbs per a game for SJU. Pelle would be a great addition for you guys, and it looks like he will end up at SDSU.
And as someone else previously stated, the rest of your list are all just hopefulls, and don't really mean anything until you get them signed on the dotted line. If we would have gotten every recruit we have ever gone after, we very well could have had a few national championships by now....
You did compare the staffs, when you said "2012 may resemble a Norm Roberts class".
My comprehension is fine thanks, even if it calls for reading through your consistently whiney, claptrap posts.
I don't know exactly what you expected the staff to have in place. Let's see, 3 kids do not qualify, so we muct have 3 kids right behind them. Yeah sure.
In one freaking short recruiting year, this staff has already assembled a roster with a talent level we haven't seen here in over a decade. And because of that, you post "2012 may resemble a Norm Roberts class".
Nothing resembles a Norm Roberts class..
Of course not. Will all qualify? Of course not. Just trying to be realistic.
Logen's post is of course spot on and essentially echoes something I posted in response to a post in a previous sky is falling thread (or maybe it was earlier in this monster). Before the week of September 16 there were no ships to give save the one that was being held for KA. Now folks act like all of the issues, eligibility, decommitments, loss off KA, should have been expected and a line of top 50 guys should have been forming outside the staff's door to sign on the dotted line. Silly stuff really.
I have lots of faith in the staff to do the best they can given a difficult situation. As I said in that previous post I wouldn't give up on Pelle, Sampson and Gathers by any stretch, they all saw something they liked and hopefully they'll see more as this season progresses. There's few left as good as them so re-recruit them while also reaching out to others. Spring brings coaching changes and new guys becoming available as well as guys who rise quickly in their senior seasons and a better feel for the JUCO landscape. There will be additions and I have no doubt they'll be better than we were used to pre-Lav n Co.
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I have no doubt the staff is working on getting quality players that fit into their system. As far as the three recruits, it was known in June they would need coursework to qualify and by extension, accepting the possibility that one or more would not qualify. That known, you stay involved with top prospects that had not committed to the eleventh hour. It worked great in 2011 but not for 2012 or 2013 where we have a chance at building relationships. I may sound over zealous but I expect us to go after the same level of recruits that Kentucky, Georgetown and Syracuse pursue every year and not to look for "sleepers" and under-the-radar kids that was the hallmark of the past two administrations.
Actually, to put a positive spin on things. A Norm Roberts type recruiting class this year, based on what's taken place recently, wouldn't be all that bad. This staff won over 20 games last year with Norm Roberts recruits. To get players of that caliber to fill in as role players with the quality of talent that we currently have wouldn't be all that bad. Espacially with the way this staff can coach. Look what they did with last years team compared to what Norm Roberts did with them. This will all turn out fine, I have faith in Lavin and his staff.
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Actually, our staff have been going after (and, has landed) the same type of recruits as the above-mentioned schools. So, I'm not sure where your last sentence is coming from. Did you forget the staff initially landed the #3 recruiting class in 2011 (better than Syracuse's and G'town's classes) prior to the hypocritical NCAA wielded their axe? We also once had a verbal from a top 30 player in the nation until a week ago.
The only "under-the-radar" or "sleeper" type kid we've gone after has been Wood (it seems his stock has even slightly risen). This staff will continue to go after some of the best players in the nation (currently a co-leader for a top 30 player, in Ishmail Wainwright). So, I seriously doubt this staff will consistently comb and mine for the diamonds in the rough.
Kids blow up every year-there is an entire HS basketball season that's going to be played-I don't believe that there won't be any high quality players available come the spring signing period-should be several that SJU can get into discussions with. A lot will depend on how the team does this season-if we look better as the season progresses we will get a lot of looks from players who are still out there and we can also put to rest the "negative recruiting" that attacks Lavin's health-if Lavin finishes the season strong then there will be no health issue and in fact it could backfire on those that put it out there as a knock on SJU.
First we have to take care of the business at hand and play a good game tonight-win or lose a good performance could go a long way in getting some recruit's attention-of course a "W" would be awesome.
First we have to take care of the business at hand and play a good game tonight-win or lose a good performance could go a long way in getting some recruit's attention-of course a "W" would be awesome.
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MJ, of course I agree that 2011 was great. All I was trying to point out was that 2012 may be a polar opposite due to extenuating circumstances but to be involved with only a couple of top players for 2013 is not so great in recruiting circles even when you have only two ships. The schools I mentioned are consistently making offers to a half dozen top 100 kids every year. All I was trying to point out, before getting reamed, was that I expect SJ to be on that recruiting level even if we do not land any. Like lotto, you got to be in it to win it.