Norvel Pelle

Polee to SDSU - He cited family reasons and this was closer to home. They have also made at least the NIT or tournament every year for the past 5yrs (a lot more than we can say). Polee was also in a bad situation during his time here. Last year he was the young guy on a senior heavy team, and was often forgotten. And as soon as we started to get all of the commitments, all the talk around our program was about our recruiting class. He, along with stith is some sense, sort of got lost in the shuffle....
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Polee left because of his Dad try to live vicariously thru his son. End of story there.
 
Decommits will happen. With the turmoil in the BE, coaches health, the uncertainties of a team with so many new players, and academics rearing its ugly heads it's no wonder we "lost" 3 kids.

Of course it looks like we'll get at least 1 and maybe all 3 back. And let's not forget that we got 1 decommit that came our way.

It doesn't mean we stop recruiting anywhere. We need to be steadfast in recruiting the best players in the country. This is our first attempt at expanding our recruiting base. To give that up because of what now appears to be a temporary setback is shear folly.
 
Why would Gathers want to go to LSU ? They just got pounded by Coastal. LSU is a falling program. As for K. Anderson, look at UCLA, they are 0-2 and are calling for the coaches head. Why would KA not be part of the rise of St Johns ? Oh how about San Diego St ? Another program going nowhere, good choice Polee, you would of been a stud here. Im so glad Amir is dedicated to being a Johnnie, and im instantly a fan of his for his dedication. As for Pelle, i dont understand what these kids want. Pelle would get plenty of PT, he will be on prime time TV a lot, and playing in a huge TV market for publicity, not to mention " The Garden". Go play at Oregon, or Washington like you had listed before. You will be another who made a mistake. As for Coach Lav, lets be on the offensive, go get Reeves Nelson ( 6-8 PF ) from UCLA, who will be transfering, and also Stacy Poole ( 6-4 G ) from Kentucky who wants out. Ill take those guys. As far as the JUCO route goes, The Johnnies have had plenty of success getting some gems from JUCO, continue the tradition..........just some thoughts from me, but in the end, I have never had more faith in a SJU recruiter than Coach Lav and his staff. We will be fine.....and remember....We Are St Johns !!!! Go Johnnies !!!!!!!!!!!! 
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There are a few reasons as to why Gathers would want to go to LSU, KA ucla, and polee SDSU:

Gathers going to LSU : He gets to play in front of family and friends all the time. LSU's football program makes everything more exciting there. He will also be big man on campus as far as basketball goes. Yes, they are a struggling program right now, but that could prove to be a win-win situation for him. If they don't win, the excuse will be that the talent around him just isn't good enough (not his fault). If they do win, it will be because he carried them and was a "program changer"....

Kyle Anderson to UCLA: See above minus the family and football program. There is also the rich basketball tradition there. And I don't think he wants to be "part" of the rise of a program. I think he wants to be the "reason" for the rise of the program. They also have much nicer weather in CA as well.

Polee to SDSU - He cited family reasons and this was closer to home. They have also made at least the NIT or tournament every year for the past 5yrs (a lot more than we can say). Polee was also in a bad situation during his time here. Last year he was the young guy on a senior heavy team, and was often forgotten. And as soon as we started to get all of the commitments, all the talk around our program was about our recruiting class. He, along with stith is some sense, sort of got lost in the shuffle....

Pelle - He is kind of stuck between a rock and a hard place.....and if he did find out he was ruled ineligible for the spring, why not re-open his recruitment

You can't really fault any of the kids for their choices....

Also, I don't think that playing as MSG has the same glamor that it has had in the past. For starters, we aren't the only team that plays there anymore. Just look at the Duke-Michigan State game last night. High profile programs are still getting games there, and ones that are on national tv on prime-time. Also, I think that playing so many games at MSG can potentially hurt us in recruiting. I compare it to having season tickets vs. only going to one or two games a year. When you have season tickets, the games and whole experience can tend to lose their flavor after a while. After a while, certain things get very repetitive and lose their appeal. But if you only get the chance to go one or two games, I think it is more memorable and meaningful.
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Sorry peanuts, dont agree with you on some of your points, but respect your opinion. There is no doubt in my mind that Kyle Anderson would of been better off here. As for MSG losing its glamor, I think your way off, playing one or two games a year is different from playing half your home games there. Too bad KA's Dad couldnt see his son lead he Johnnies in that building, but like i said, i have faith in coach Lav and his staff.
 
I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
 
Totally agree. Invites to Navy, Boise, SMU, etc are nice, but what about invites to Memphis, Xavier, Butler, Temple.?

I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Can anyone say Headcase. Enough with these west coast flakes. Let's get the tough east coast players and leave the surfer dudes to their dream lands. 
 
Totally agree. Invites to Navy, Boise, SMU, etc are nice, but what about invites to Memphis, Xavier, Butler, Temple.?

I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Only one of those schools were invited to participate in basketball (SMU). Besides, Memphis is still doing a pretty decent job recruiting while playing in a bogus conference. Hopefully, we can get Memphis, Xavier, Dayton, Butler and Temple to join for basketball. It'll offset the losses.

I still believe the kids we've lost has very little to do with instability of the conference.
 
I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Talk of BYU joining today football only.
 
Totally agree. Invites to Navy, Boise, SMU, etc are nice, but what about invites to Memphis, Xavier, Butler, Temple.?

I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Only one of those schools were invited to participate in basketball (SMU). Besides, Memphis is still doing a pretty decent job recruiting while playing in a bogus conference. Hopefully, we can get Memphis, Xavier, Dayton, Butler and Temple to join for basketball. It'll offset the losses.

I still believe the kids we've lost has very little to do with instability of the conference.
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The future of the Big East rests solely upon resolving issues regarding football
If the Big East is to survive, Memphis, Xavier, Dayton, Butler and Temple are not in play
If the Big East dissolves and a new basketball league is formed, then, certainly, those schools should be considered
That is not going to happen anytime soon and won't until the football situation is resolved one way or the other 
 
I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Talk of BYU joining today football only.
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I'm sure other conferences' coaches are playing up the instability, but I'm still optimistic, assuming the mess at UCF keeps them out of the picture and someone listens to Pitino.

BYU, Boise, SDSU, Navy for football/Temple, Memphis, Houston for all would be great. Throw in two other top-notch basketball programs for an 18-team conference, and we'll still have a nice looking conference.
 
I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Talk of BYU joining today football only.
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I'm sure other conferences' coaches are playing up the instability, but I'm still optimistic, assuming the mess at UCF keeps them out of the picture and someone listens to Pitino.

BYU, Boise, SDSU, Navy for football/Temple, Memphis, Houston for all would be great. Throw in two other top-notch basketball programs for an 18-team conference, and we'll still have a nice looking conference.
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There is no doubt the basketball side of the conference will suffer as a result of the upcoming loss of three nationally ranked teams. The only three teams out there that can replenish the BB side are Memphis, Temple and Houston. Every other school will be a plus for football only.

It may be ironic that in the rush to form a BE football East and West, that the BCS decides to eliminate automatic bids thereby ensuring most bids go to the major four thereby screwing the Big East. I think bonehead Marinatto and the BE presidents are putting all their eggs in a very shaky BCS basket at the expense of basketball.

Finally, opposing coaches are not just talking up the instability of the BE conference but also of the coaching situations. We are losing marque coaches and some may follow them out of the conference and chase the money.
It is no secret that at St. John's Lavin put together a great staff but both coach Keady and coach Dunlap have never moved permanently to NY and Rico Hines is a west coast guy. Lately, the recruiting burden has been on Tony Chiles to get some local talent but the future of the staff has been questioned by some opposing coaches and that too plays into the negative recruiting challenge faced by SJ. By the looks of what has transpired over the past two months, the negativity seems to be working.
 
I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Talk of BYU joining today football only.
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I'm sure other conferences' coaches are playing up the instability, but I'm still optimistic, assuming the mess at UCF keeps them out of the picture and someone listens to Pitino.

BYU, Boise, SDSU, Navy for football/Temple, Memphis, Houston for all would be great. Throw in two other top-notch basketball programs for an 18-team conference, and we'll still have a nice looking conference.
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There is no doubt the basketball side of the conference will suffer as a result of the upcoming loss of three nationally ranked teams. The only three teams out there that can replenish the BB side are Memphis, Temple and Houston. Every other school will be a plus for football only.

It may be ironic that in the rush to form a BE football East and West, that the BCS decides to eliminate automatic bids thereby ensuring most bids go to the major four thereby screwing the Big East. I think bonehead Marinatto and the BE presidents are putting all their eggs in a very shaky BCS basket at the expense of basketball.

Finally, opposing coaches are not just talking up the instability of the BE conference but also of the coaching situations. We are losing marque coaches and some may follow them out of the conference and chase the money.
It is no secret that at St. John's Lavin put together a great staff but both coach Keady and coach Dunlap have never moved permanently to NY and Rico Hines is a west coast guy. Lately, the recruiting burden has been on Tony Chiles to get some local talent but the future of the staff has been questioned by some opposing coaches and that too plays into the negative recruiting challenge faced by SJ. By the looks of what has transpired over the past two months, the negativity seems to be working.
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Disagree entirely.
Kids don't give flying %^&* if assistant coaches are there for the long run.
It's all about Lavin, who is going nowhere.
The BE is still one of the top 3 conferences in the country whhen it all washes out.
Ahead of the Pac 12, which is where Anderson is headed.
If we lose Gathers to LSU and/or Pelle to San Doego St., it won't be because of our inferior conference or our coaching situation.
 
I am still convinced the instability of the Big East has a lot to do with this. No other school at this point has committed to join the BE on the football side and there does not appear to be any thought (publicly) as to how to replenish the major loss of high end schools on the basketball side. Playing in the Big East is important. If there is no guarantee what the conference will look like in 2 years why not wait to see how it all plays out before you commit.
I have mentioned this in the past and many of you, with more insight then I, have said it is not a relevant point. I think it is for these high end guys, SEC, ACC, or Catholic League may be a relevant question.
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Talk of BYU joining today football only.
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I'm sure other conferences' coaches are playing up the instability, but I'm still optimistic, assuming the mess at UCF keeps them out of the picture and someone listens to Pitino.

BYU, Boise, SDSU, Navy for football/Temple, Memphis, Houston for all would be great. Throw in two other top-notch basketball programs for an 18-team conference, and we'll still have a nice looking conference.
Click to expand...
 

There is no doubt the basketball side of the conference will suffer as a result of the upcoming loss of three nationally ranked teams. The only three teams out there that can replenish the BB side are Memphis, Temple and Houston. Every other school will be a plus for football only.

It may be ironic that in the rush to form a BE football East and West, that the BCS decides to eliminate automatic bids thereby ensuring most bids go to the major four thereby screwing the Big East. I think bonehead Marinatto and the BE presidents are putting all their eggs in a very shaky BCS basket at the expense of basketball.

Finally, opposing coaches are not just talking up the instability of the BE conference but also of the coaching situations. We are losing marque coaches and some may follow them out of the conference and chase the money.
It is no secret that at St. John's Lavin put together a great staff but both coach Keady and coach Dunlap have never moved permanently to NY and Rico Hines is a west coast guy. Lately, the recruiting burden has been on Tony Chiles to get some local talent but the future of the staff has been questioned by some opposing coaches and that too plays into the negative recruiting challenge faced by SJ. By the looks of what has transpired over the past two months, the negativity seems to be working.
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Disagree entirely.
Kids don't give flying %^&* if assistant coaches are there for the long run.
It's all about Lavin, who is going nowhere.
The BE is still one of the top 3 conferences in the country whhen it all washes out.
Ahead of the Pac 12, which is where Anderson is headed.
If we lose Gathers to LSU and/or Pelle to San Doego St., it won't be because of our inferior conference or our coaching situation.
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In most situations an assistant is the first point of contact for some recruits and in the case of SJ, a huge selling point is the experience of Rico and Mike developing players. There have been questions as to how long that team would be together. That is all I am saying. There is no stone an opposing coach will leave unturned in playing a recruit against a school and 18 year olds are easily swayed.
 
What about Mo Hicks ?? You cant get a more repected NY guy than that. He needs to bring in some talent. 
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2011 Harkless was the best NY player. We got him.
2012 you can say it was Calhoun. Obekpa would be 2nd. Calhoun was never a priority because we were stacked at his positions really so he looked elsewhere.
2013 and 14 and on we are mentioned with the best NY players. I dont want NY players just to have NY players. But if it makes sense I want the best one each year not leaving home.
 
Hope Norvel finds peace wherever he goes. Really hoped he'd be the athletic center for us who will thrive in Lavins system

On the bright side I look forward to not reading minute by minute tweets from him on here and the jungle threads 
 
What about Mo Hicks ?? You cant get a more repected NY guy than that. He needs to bring in some talent. 
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NY talent has been down a bit since he has been hired. We'll see what he will do for 2013 with Lawrence & in 2014 with Mccullough & Whitehead
 
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