Next Head Coach

[quote="Marillac" post=318183]After every loss:



Mullin is the printer and Mike Zaun, Fordham96, 72 are the fellas.[/quote]

By the same token, that's you, we are sju, and Beast, etc. towards posters pointing out the obvious shortcomings our staff has. The objective facts are on our side I'm sorry to say. Facts don't care about feelings and the fact is Mullin cannot coach us to be a consistent tournament team or maybe even a mediocre team.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=318194]5-2 run coming up fellas. 20-7.[/quote]
Or quite possibly the reverse
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=318196][quote="Marillac" post=318194]5-2 run coming up fellas. 20-7.[/quote]
Or quite possibly the reverse[/quote]

Or maybe somewhere in between
 
Oats is the obvious top choice but as others have mentioned, I don't think we are a school he would consider.
Some possible names with local/program ties:
John Becker from Vermont
Jon Scheyer from Duke
Joe Mihalic from Hofstra (might be a little older than they're looking for)
James Jones at Yale
 
[quote="Mike Zaun" post=318195][quote="Marillac" post=318183]After every loss:



Mullin is the printer and Mike Zaun, Fordham96, 72 are the fellas.[/quote]

By the same token, that's you, we are sju, and Beast, etc. towards posters pointing out the obvious shortcomings our staff has. The objective facts are on our side I'm sorry to say. Facts don't care about feelings and the fact is Mullin cannot coach us to be a consistent tournament team or maybe even a mediocre team.[/quote]

Consistent tournament team? LOLOLOL

Our ceiling is not that high as a program. Let's be realistic.
 
[quote="Paultzman" post=318196][quote="Marillac" post=318194]5-2 run coming up fellas. 20-7.[/quote]
Or quite possibly the reverse[/quote]

Now it's 5-1!
 
[quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.
 
[quote="Class of 72" post=318203][quote="fordham96" post=318142]Look the best argument against a thread like this is it is premature and even with a collapse this year is still unlikely to happen.

But if the best argument you can come up with is that 'We can't keep doing this because the next coach could be just as bad or worse" you know you have run out of defensible arguments for the current staff.

But I honestly think the reality is much worse. I think the administration has boxed themselves and I don't see a way out at this point.[/quote]

THAT is the reality.
They hired their greatest player who never had an interest in coaching.
They hired a legend nobody wanted to criticize and certainly would not want to fire.
Now, if it doesn't work out, the only way out of that box is to hope he would gracefully resign.
If that's not being boxed in then I don't know what is.

This thread is both premature and unfair at this point. Unless the team implodes there is likely no discussion taking place at the university regarding firing Chris Mullin.[/quote]

Class of 72 has become the voice of reason? This like a raccoon defending a chicken coop.
 
The Gtown loss was necessary. They didn't get robbed by the refs, they didn't lose without Ponds, they didn't lose at Hinkle or surrender a win @ Nova. They got outplayed and beat at home by team that won't dance. No excuses. Look in the mirror and realize what you are type of game.

This team needs to fight for everything. Let the real games begin.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=318200][quote="Mike Zaun" post=318195][quote="Marillac" post=318183]After every loss:



Mullin is the printer and Mike Zaun, Fordham96, 72 are the fellas.[/quote]

By the same token, that's you, we are sju, and Beast, etc. towards posters pointing out the obvious shortcomings our staff has. The objective facts are on our side I'm sorry to say. Facts don't care about feelings and the fact is Mullin cannot coach us to be a consistent tournament team or maybe even a mediocre team.[/quote]

Consistent tournament team? LOLOLOL

Our ceiling is not that high as a program. Let's be realistic.[/quote]

The irony again is people are still caught up thinking we are the program we were when Mullin was playing. If Mullin had followed Louie with this then yes pretty much everyone would want him fired at this point.
 
can we all agree that if we do not make the NCAAs Mullin MUST go! Arguably one of the best backcourts in college. Before you go blasting Heron and Simon, its the coach who can't get the best out of his players.
 
[quote="Marillac" post=318194]5-2 run coming up fellas. 20-7.[/quote]

You haven't been right all season. I suggest you stay away from any steps in the coming weeks.

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[quote="Marillac" post=318207]The Gtown loss was necessary. They didn't get robbed by the refs, they didn't lose without Ponds, they didn't lose at Hinkle or surrender a win @ Nova. They got outplayed and beat at home by team that won't dance. No excuses. Look in the mirror and realize what you are type of game.

This team needs to fight for everything. Let the real games begin.[/quote]

The real games have started. Can’t keep resetting the season at your leisure to keep your hope alive. The NC schedule left us no wiggle room which we have already squandered. It would take a miracle at this point for an at-large.

Get Williams and Roberts some more run and try to create some depth for the Big East tournament. That’s our only shot
 
I have to believe with Mike Cragg making all of our Big East home games at MSG that should be enticing for a coaching hire. We pay Chris Mullin close to what NOVA pay’s Jay Wright, I believe Matt is one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the Big East and Mitch gets paid to look good so we have the money.

Msg + Money should equal a quality candidate.
 
[quote="postell25" post=318213][quote="Marillac" post=318207]The Gtown loss was necessary. They didn't get robbed by the refs, they didn't lose without Ponds, they didn't lose at Hinkle or surrender a win @ Nova. They got outplayed and beat at home by team that won't dance. No excuses. Look in the mirror and realize what you are type of game.

This team needs to fight for everything. Let the real games begin.[/quote]

The real games have started. Can’t keep resetting the season at your leisure to keep your hope alive. The NC schedule left us no wiggle room which we have already squandered. It would take a miracle at this point for an at-large.

Get Williams and Roberts some more run and try to create some depth for the Big East tournament. That’s our only shot[/quote]

Totally agree..."let the real games begin"? Marillac, I respect you as a fan and think you mean well, but this is just silly. The real games have not only begun but we are halfway through. It reminds me of when I'd play football in middle school during recess. There was always that one kid who would be yelling "That doesn't count! Do over!" whenever the other team torched them. We can't just disregard half the season. We also can't disregard the 11 game losing streak that likely lost us Owens and Brooks. It's all crucial evidence our admins will have to use to evaluate where we are. I hope people realize that I never intend to be negative...I just saw the red flags early like several others and simply called them out. I was hoping I was wrong.
 
[quote="JohnnyFan" post=318074][quote="Knight" post=318069]What's the story with Mark Jackson?[/quote]

He's former great Johnny with no college coaching experience.[/quote]
True, but on the plus side, we'll get to hear his wife screech ... er, sing ... the national anthem at home games.
 
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[quote="redken" post=318218][quote="JohnnyFan" post=318074][quote="Knight" post=318069]What's the story with Mark Jackson?[/quote]

He's former great Johnny with no college coaching experience.[/quote]
True, but on the plus side, we'll get to hear his wife screech ... er, sing ... the national anthem at home games.[/quote]

I have never seen a fan base that hates everything about it's "glory years". Really the only people that seem exempt are Malik Sealy (rightfully) and Louie. And if there were a forum when Louie was coaching there def would be a Fire Louie thread. Heck the Knick fans gave Carmelo a nice hand last night.
 
[quote="cappy105" post=318209]can we all agree that if we do not make the NCAAs Mullin MUST go! Arguably one of the best backcourts in college. Before you go blasting Heron and Simon, its the coach who can't get the best out of his players.[/quote]

This team will possibly go to the NIT. That will be viewed as "progress " by Marillac, WSJU, Beast and others since Mullin began with nothing. Of course that nothing began with the first group of transfers that did nothing because they were individual opportunists coming to get their minutes. That's usually the case with transfers that didn't want to work for their minutes at their original school.
Unhappy campers sometimes bring their me first attitude with them to their next destination unless they play for a coach that is a master at blending their talents. Unless this year is different, in our case the blending has been a recipe for disaster.
Of our five starters only one was recruited out of high school. There has been no indication that the staff has been influential with any high school players in over three years now. Precious may be their last hope in four years to show they can recruit out of high school. Femi had Hofstra in his final four. It would not surprise me if Curbelo does the same.

Personally I don't think Mullin is going out of his way any more when it comes to recruiting. Personally I don't think Mullin sees the job as a long term commitment. As he indicated nonchalantly in the post game interview he is not as concerned as others with the Gtown loss because he just gets in his car and drives away.
Come April he will fly away and make cameo appearances over the summer. No summer camp for kids or future recruits.
No hitting the local blacktops, summer circuits, etc.
Next Fall a completely hands off coach will have an entirely new cast of characters to blend in Steere, Caraher, Mack, Eli Wright, Valdir Manuel with Figueroa, Williams and Keita.
Not sure if Precious will be in that mix as well as Trimble, Robert's, Simon and Earlington.
If, Mullin has not blended long term transfers Simon, Clark with Heron, Ponds and Figueroa what confidence should we, as fans, have that he will do it with the players I referenced above?
Certainly not with St. Jean and Richmond next to him and certainly not just with Matt's transfers.
 
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[quote="Class of 72" post=318220][quote="cappy105" post=318209]can we all agree that if we do not make the NCAAs Mullin MUST go! Arguably one of the best backcourts in college. Before you go blasting Heron and Simon, its the coach who can't get the best out of his players.[/quote]

This team will possibly go to the NIT. That will be viewed as "progress " by Marillac, WSJU, Beast and others since Mullin began with nothing. Of course that nothing began with the first group of transfers that did nothing because they were individual opportunists coming to get their minutes. That's usually the case with transfers that didn't want to work for their minutes at their original school.
Unhappy campers sometimes bring their me first attitude with them to their next destination unless they play for a coach that is a master at blending their talents. Unless this year is different, in our case the blending has been a recipe for disaster.
Of our five starters only one was recruited out of high school. There has been no indication that the staff has been influential with any high school players in over three years now. Precious may be their last hope in four years to show they can recruit out of high school. Femi had Hofstra in his final four. It would not surprise me if Curbelo does the same.

Personally I don't think Mullin is going out of his way any more when it comes to recruiting. Personally I don't think Mullin sees the job as a long term commitment. As he indicated nonchalantly in the post game interview he is not as concerned as others with the Gtown loss because he just gets in his car and drives away.
Come April he will fly away and make cameo appearances over the summer. No summer camp for kids or future recruits.
No hitting the local blacktops, summer circuits, etc.
Next Fall a completely hands off coach will have an entirely new cast of characters to blend in Steere, Caraher, Mack, Eli Wright, Valdir Manuel with Figueroa, Williams and Keita.
Not sure if Precious will be in that mix as well as Trimble, Robert's, Simon and Earlington.
If, Mullin has not blended long term transfers Simon, Clark with Heron, Ponds and Figueroa what confidence should we, as fans, have that he will do it with the players I referenced above?
Certainly not with St. Jean and Richmond best to him and certainly not just with Matt's transfers.[/quote]

If we don't make the tourney and they fire Mullin or he resigns I would totally understand and would support whoever the next coach is. For the final time, Mullin did deserve more of a benefit of the doubt than anyone else. Certainly as much as a guy who was 200 games under 500 at Queens college was given. My problem is those who started this year 2 and those bitching at 12-0, pretty much same group. Hey even if it turned out that you were right, why bitch at 12-0 and not just enjoy it while it lasted? Why ruin it for yourself and more importantly why ruin it for me.
 
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I know some will say "who cares what Yukon fans think?", but I think it's interesting seeing what outsiders see with us. On their board:

"Mullin doesn’t even run his own team. He was gifted Heron to pair with Ponds and he still can’t win. Bizarre situation down there in NYC."

Have to agree...Ponds and Heron together was supposed to be as good as any duo in the nation. They were also jealous of the MSG crowd. Remember, we got 12k last year when SJ and G'Town were both terrible. This year we were barely slotted for the tournament coming in and we get 18k. We have a fanbase that is absolutely starving for a winner. Just imagine if we are ever ranked all year and start making the tourney regularly. You'd have Johnny fever in the NYC area. Like Tierney said, we had the spotlight for a while this season after the hot start. Lots of people coming up to me saying they were going to a game or saw them on TV who normally don't follow closely. It's just sad that we bring 18k out and get sent home frustrated on a work night with Monday looming. We know the fanbase is there. That was never the problem this year.
 
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